Appeal to EFL

[bluebruce]

31 minutes ago, J*B said:

The EFL are skint. If we lawyer up and commit to it they’ll crumble if there’s even a 5% chance they could lose. It’s exactly what boxers do when the BBBOC ban them for PEDs. 

Not sure about that if there's a 5% chance they'll then receive similar actions in future transfer windows.

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, blackburnravers.com said:

 

 

Errrmmm, didn't we have "lawyers" working on transfer deadline night, because that is what we were told?

Or are these new lawyers, ie, lawyers specialising in litigation after something has gone wrong?

We should be told, but won't be

[Exiled_Rover]

We need to give it up at this point.

He'll miss his third game on Wednesday - with the speed that this is being resolved he'll miss his fourth game on Saturday (even if he gets here on Thurs / Fri he won't be match fit, nor will he have trained with the team).

For such an expensive loan, the benefit has now passed - the Playoffs are gone. 

 

[Dreams of 1995]

Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

We need to give it up at this point.

He'll miss his third game on Wednesday - with the speed that this is being resolved he'll miss his fourth game on Saturday (even if he gets here on Thurs / Fri he won't be match fit, nor will he have trained with the team).

For such an expensive loan, the benefit has now passed - the Playoffs are gone. 

 

The playoffs aren't gone at all.

6pts separates us and 3rd place. In this league that can be overturned in a week, very easily.

There are still 54pts to play for. The quicker we get O'Brien in the better.

[oldjamfan1]

2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We need to give it up at this point.

He'll miss his third game on Wednesday - with the speed that this is being resolved he'll miss his fourth game on Saturday (even if he gets here on Thurs / Fri he won't be match fit, nor will he have trained with the team).

For such an expensive loan, the benefit has now passed - the Playoffs are gone. 

 

Is that you Jon Dahl?

[RevidgeBlue]

Bizarre how many people seem to have convinced themselves that the EFL are somehow at fault, a classic exercise in muddying the waters and misdirection from the shysters running the Club - job done.

The EFL aren't at fault, the Club are, and even if the appeal is somehow allowed then it will be on a sympathy basis for the poor player who faces being unable to play in this Country for months due to our incompetence.

Even that seems highly unlikely as if the EFL allow this appeal they're opening the floodgates for a barrage of late registrations for all sorts of spurious reasons.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 

 

Errrmmm, didn't we have "lawyers" working on transfer deadline night, because that is what we were told?

Or are these new lawyers, ie, lawyers specialising in litigation after something has gone wrong?

We should be told, but won't be

You can't go public with info that would harm a potential legal challenge Jim. 

[Guest]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Bizarre how many people seem to have convinced themselves that the EFL are somehow at fault, a classic exercise in muddying the waters and misdirection from the shysters running the Club - job done.

The EFL aren't at fault, the Club are, and even if the appeal is somehow allowed then it will be on a sympathy basis for the poor player who faces being unable to play in this Country for months due to our incompetence.

Even that seems highly unlikely as if the EFL allow this appeal they're opening the floodgates for a barrage of late registrations for all sorts of spurious reasons.

I've not seen any of this, they aren't at fault. But the publicly made info of the case so far shows how weak the EFL's reasoning is. A few posters on here like myself with experience in B2B contracts are merely pointing out that based on the available info, if this was to be settled in CAS (it won't due to timeframe) it'd only go one way. And it isn't the EFL's.

[Dreams of 1995]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Bizarre how many people seem to have convinced themselves that the EFL are somehow at fault, a classic exercise in muddying the waters and misdirection from the shysters running the Club - job done.

The EFL aren't at fault, the Club are, and even if the appeal is somehow allowed then it will be on a sympathy basis for the poor player who faces being unable to play in this Country for months due to our incompetence.

Even that seems highly unlikely as if the EFL allow this appeal they're opening the floodgates for a barrage of late registrations for all sorts of spurious reasons.

How do you know?

You don't know how spurious the reason is, who is at fault or even what happened that night

None of us do

It is bizarre how you have managed to come to such a firm conclusion

Law of averages suggest you will be right, but to be so determined about it is odd given we know the sum total of zero

To then suggest that if we are successful it will be due to sympathy and not due to being right - bearing in mind your final sentence - is even more bizarre!!!!

[jim mk2]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We need to give it up at this point.

He'll miss his third game on Wednesday - with the speed that this is being resolved he'll miss his fourth game on Saturday (even if he gets here on Thurs / Fri he won't be match fit, nor will he have trained with the team).

For such an expensive loan, the benefit has now passed - the Playoffs are gone. 

 

 As a half glass full man that's very defeatist by you. There's still more than 50 points at stake - anything can happen

If you're asking, I don't think we'll make it even with O'Brien because  we still desperately need new forwards - but although we're slowly sliding down the table I wouldn't give up hope just yet

The FA Cup is different though. I want a day out at Wembley before I pop my clogs

 

[jim mk2]

12 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

You can't go public with info that would harm a potential legal challenge Jim. 

Just surmising. As a legal eagle what do you think?

 

[rigger]

13 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 As a half glass full man that's very defeatist by you. There's still more than 50 points at stake - anything can happen

If you're asking, I don't think we'll make it even with O'Brien because  we still desperately need new forwards - but although we're slowly sliding down the table I wouldn't give up hope just yet

The FA Cup is different though. I want a day out at Wembley before I pop my clogs

 

I've still got my wembley hotel booked for the play-offs.

[bluebruce]

30 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Bizarre how many people seem to have convinced themselves that the EFL are somehow at fault, a classic exercise in muddying the waters and misdirection from the shysters running the Club - job done.

The EFL aren't at fault, the Club are, and even if the appeal is somehow allowed then it will be on a sympathy basis for the poor player who faces being unable to play in this Country for months due to our incompetence.

Even that seems highly unlikely as if the EFL allow this appeal they're opening the floodgates for a barrage of late registrations for all sorts of spurious reasons.

It's no more bizarre than you convincing yourself the club is at fault. I'm not convinced of either yet, I'll wait for more details to emerge. We know. Bugger. All. About what has happened.

I don't get why people have to jump to the extreme of a position all the time, instead of seeing nuance. Especially when the details of what has actually happened are scarce. It's a blight across society.

[bluebruce]

36 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

You can't go public with info that would harm a potential legal challenge Jim. 

I don't see how disclosing what lawyers are being hired would harm the legal challenge. I'm sure the EFL are aware of it, they'll more than likely be dealing with them.

[glen9mullan]

Lets hope they are better than the legals who tried to take the Action Group to court for releasing club documents with Caroline Mcateer (Beckhams PR)

We was given a number of documents by Rovers solicitors with the strict instruction that we were to publically release and put on our website.

We was then contacted by another solicitor also acting for Rovers who said unless we took them down they would sue 

Then Mcateer contacted us, explaining how famous and influential she was, and what she could do to me personally if I dont play ball.

Needless to say, she was soon out of a job, the solicitor who tried to threaten me went away with their tail between their legs and the information remained on the website and the club ended up paying out the best part of 3.5 million in compensation to Berg, Shaw and one or two more.

 

[glen9mullan]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

Just surmising. As a legal eagle what do you think?

 

They will be using either IPS Law, Brabners or Forbes. I'd wager its likely the first one (Chris Farnell)  a particular individual whose name will send some shivers of concern through some on here. (Just when you think they aint about on transfers they re-appear)

Edited February 13, 2023 by glen9mullan

[Andy]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

For such an expensive loan, the benefit has now passed - the Playoffs are gone. 

 

As we sit right this second, we’re a point off the play offs with a game in hand.

Theres defeatist and then there’s defeatist, holy shit.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

How do you know?

You don't know how spurious the reason is, who is at fault or even what happened that night

None of us do

It is bizarre how you have managed to come to such a firm conclusion

Law of averages suggest you will be right, but to be so determined about it is odd given we know the sum total of zero

To then suggest that if we are successful it will be due to sympathy and not due to being right - bearing in mind your final sentence - is even more bizarre!!!!

We submitted the registration late in one case and incompletely in the other by the Club's own admission in their "official statement".

End of story.

If the EFL by some miracle use their discretion to allow the appeal, it doesn't mean we weren't at fault.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Mellor Rover said:

I've not seen any of this, they aren't at fault. But the publicly made info of the case so far shows how weak the EFL's reasoning is. A few posters on here like myself with experience in B2B contracts are merely pointing out that based on the available info, if this was to be settled in CAS (it won't due to timeframe) it'd only go one way. And it isn't the EFL's.

What's a B2B contract and what does CAS stand for?

And by "available info" do you mean what Nixon has claimed? I haven't seen any actual evidence of what Rovers could possibly be basing their appeal on from any other source.

[joey_big_nose]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What's a B2B contract and what does CAS stand for?

And by "available info" do you mean what Nixon has claimed? I haven't seen any actual evidence of what Rovers could possibly be basing their appeal on from any other source.

Business to Business and Court of Arbitration for Sport

[wilsdenrover]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What's a B2B contract and what does CAS stand for?

And by "available info" do you mean what Nixon has claimed? I haven't seen any actual evidence of what Rovers could possibly be basing their appeal on from any other source.

Business to Business and Court of Arbitration for Sport (I assume)

Beaten to it…

Edited February 13, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[arbitro]

The telling fact in the whole mess was that Broughton said he didn't think the appeal would be successful. He did caveat that by saying it was because there was no precedent. I still then ask why we have appealed. Is it to appease the fans and try and quell and discontent. It was such a strange thing to admit to when the appeal process (and associated costs) had already started.

[RevidgeBlue]

Thanks both.

I'm not sure how anyone can surmise an appeal would succeed in either of the above forums when the Club haven't even divulged the reason/s on which they are appealing.

[jim mk2]

15 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

They will be using either IPS Law, Brabners or Forbes. I'd wager its likely the first one (Chris Farnell)  a particular individual whose name will send some shivers of concern through some on here. (Just when you think they aint about on transfers they re-appear)

Are IPS our usual lawyers and would they have been working on transfer deadline night?

Or do you think this is a new lot?

Why does Farnell concern you? 

[joey_big_nose]

1 minute ago, arbitro said:

The telling fact in the whole mess was that Broughton said he didn't think the appeal would be successful. He did caveat that by saying it was because there was no precedent. I still then ask why we have appealed. Is it to appease the fans and try and quell and discontent. It was such a strange thing to admit to when the appeal process (and associated costs) had already started.

I'd say it makes perfect sense what he said - it was factual. If I was in his shoes I'd do much the same - call out I thought we had a good case, but also that no one has succeeded in an appeal before. Both relevant information. 

I don't think just because no one has won a case before it is not worth appealing. Indeed if we didn't appeal and came out and said "we thought we had a good case, but as no one has won before we decided not to appeal" then I think the torches and pitchforks would be coming out.