Season tickets 2023-24 - what could/should be offered ?

[tomphil]

16 hours ago, JohnD said:

Season Tickets sold 23/24 as a percentage of town population

(Qty sold is a moving target)

Town-Population-Tickets sold- %age

Blackpool - 141k - 8k - 5.6%

Preston - 147.9 - 11k - 7.4 %

Bolton - 296k - 15k -  5%

Blackburn - 154.7k - 8k - 5.1%

Sources

Pop = Census 2021

Tickets sold clubs/fan forum

Oh not this old bollocks again stemming from an in some cases inacurate table posted on social media.

Same thing that was telling us Wigan amd Rotherham have populations of 300k plus whilst lumping Blackburn in with Darwen but just giving singular populations of other towns.

Lazy stuff.

[Ossydave]

Unless im misunderstanding, Blackpool haven't sold 8k, where are these figures from? Last update was about 2k.

[Mattyblue]

To be fair to them they are still in their early bird period but I believe they are only expecting to sell c5k… I suppose keeping hold of STs is harder when they had an empty ground for years until recently.

[Guest]

Season Ticket Estimate

Latest: 8,106 (+16)

Notes:

• The estimate is based upon the total number of saleable seats to home supporters (18,210), minus the amount of unavailable (sold) seats.
• (+xx) represents the difference in season ticket sales from the previous estimate (usually 24 hours).
• 159 seats in block W01 are marked as unavailable (sold), but are not saleable due to being cordoned-off. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• 376 seats for supporters requiring ground-level font-row access are marked as unavailable (sold), but appear to be block-reserved rather than fully sold. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• A seat is marked as unavailable for up to 28 minutes when added to the basket. It is not possible to exclude these from the estimate.

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

Are you sure about that 😁

Well, I think so, yes. I feel like I always defend this place to the hilt, whenever it’s labelled ‘too negative’ ‘full of cranks’, or any other label or description attributed to it.

If it was as bad as that, nobody would ever log on!

[Mattyblue]

Exactly, this is by far the best place to chat re all things Rovers, a load of interesting posters and perspectives - what’s the alternative, trying to engage with halfwits on Facebook groups?

[only2garners]

13 hours ago, Mellor Rover said:

330k people in Preston city??

Please stop John; you’re getting worse.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. It is completely pointless trying to analyse sales based on arbitrary political boundaries. For Preston you can't ignore adding South Ribble's population on to Preston's. That makes a total of c260K, actually a lot closer to JohnD's first attempt. But all the other numbers need reviewing as well, hence the analysis is pointless.

[Sweaty Gussets]

16 hours ago, JohnD said:

Season Tickets sold 23/24 as a percentage of town population

(Qty sold is a moving target)

Town-Population-Tickets sold- %age

Blackpool - 141k - 8k - 5.6%

Preston - 147.9 - 11k - 7.4 %

Bolton - 296k - 15k -  5%

Blackburn - 154.7k - 8k - 5.1%

Sources

Pop = Census 2021

Tickets sold clubs/fan forum

What are the % from the season before PNE and Bolton slashed the prices of their ST's? 

Also Blackpool have sold nowhere near 8K, more like 2k according to a tweet from BFC that someone posted on here.

Also, also.....you've quoted the BwD population, not just Blackburn.

What your figures do show though is how well-supported Rovers are even when being ripped off in comparison to the other Lancs clubs. 

[wilsdenrover]

30 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Well, I think so, yes. I feel like I always defend this place to the hilt, whenever it’s labelled ‘too negative’ ‘full of cranks’, or any other label or description attributed to it.

If it was as bad as that, nobody would ever log on!

They would if they were all cranks 😁

I think this place is great - a good mix of different opinions, outlooks and knowledge.

 

[Mattyblue]

3 minutes ago, only2garners said:

Lies, damned lies and statistics. It is completely pointless trying to analyse sales based on arbitrary political boundaries. For Preston you can't ignore adding South Ribble's population on to Preston's. That makes a total of c260K, actually a lot closer to JohnD's first attempt. But all the other numbers need reviewing as well, hence the analysis is pointless.

Then add Ribble Valley and Hyndburn to ours, so like you say, pointless.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[wilsdenrover]

38 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Season Ticket Estimate

Latest: 8,106 (+16)

Notes:

• The estimate is based upon the total number of saleable seats to home supporters (18,210), minus the amount of unavailable (sold) seats.
• (+xx) represents the difference in season ticket sales from the previous estimate (usually 24 hours).
• 159 seats in block W01 are marked as unavailable (sold), but are not saleable due to being cordoned-off. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• 376 seats for supporters requiring ground-level font-row access are marked as unavailable (sold), but appear to be block-reserved rather than fully sold. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• A seat is marked as unavailable for up to 28 minutes when added to the basket. It is not possible to exclude these from the estimate.

A near 50% increase on the previous day’s sales 😀 (sounds better than an extra 5 right?? 😁)

[Sweaty Gussets]

Just now, only2garners said:

Lies, damned lies and statistics. It is completely pointless trying to analyse sales based on arbitrary political boundaries. For Preston you can't ignore adding South Ribble's population on to Preston's. That makes a total of c260K, actually a lot closer to JohnD's first attempt. But all the other numbers need reviewing as well, hence the analysis is pointless.

His first attempt was Preston's confirmed metro population which is about 340k, that will include South Ribble. Preston's city population is closer to 150k, still bigger than Blackburn town, but about the same as BwD. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, only2garners said:

Lies, damned lies and statistics. It is completely pointless trying to analyse sales based on arbitrary political boundaries. For Preston you can't ignore adding South Ribble's population on to Preston's. That makes a total of c260K, actually a lot closer to JohnD's first attempt. But all the other numbers need reviewing as well, hence the analysis is pointless.

I completely agree. You’d have to include the ribble valley (where a lot of support for Rovers comes from, Wilpshire, Mellor, Clitheroe, Whalley…)

JohnD claims Preston and Bolton are better supported clubs than Rovers, yet can’t come up with ANY proof of his (wrong) claim.  

[Mattyblue]

The 340k would have included the wider Chorley Borough (not just Chorley town) too, and that is certainly no PNE stronghold with a load of Bolton and Rovers fans residing there.

That’s why it is a pointless exercise.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Sweaty Gussets]

Longridge is mainly PNE so not sure the RV is ours. Lots of Dingle shirts in Clitheroe these days too. 

[Mattyblue]

I know, but then there’s plenty of Rovers fans in Chorley borough, Rossendale and south Ribble too.

None of it fits neatly

Edited June 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Sweaty Gussets]

All we know is we are the Kings of Lancashire. 

[Guest]

I also have a Rovers supporting mate who lives in Lagos on the Algarve, so think we best include that in our estimates too. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

2 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

I also have a Rovers supporting mate who lives in Lagos on the Algarve, so think we best include that in our estimates too. 

The Algarve is ours. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

The Algarve is ours. 

You might think the blue and white colours in the Algarve are for Porto but they’re actually Rovers. 

[Gav]

I disagree @47er

We sold just over 9000 last season with half season tickets I think, knock £100 off and we’d possibly shift 10k.

Our average gates are around 14k, with away support, the numbers don’t stack up.

Success on the pitch brings punters through the gate and season ticket increases, we need promotion, not £100 discount. 

[Mattyblue]

PNE knocked £100 or so off and went from c8k to 12k, you said yourself the other day that we are the better club, so why wouldn’t we do the same?

(We need both).

Edited June 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Old Rover]

45 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

What are the % from the season before PNE and Bolton slashed the prices of their ST's? 

Also Blackpool have sold nowhere near 8K, more like 2k according to a tweet from BFC that someone posted on here.

Also, also.....you've quoted the BwD population, not just Blackburn.

What your figures do show though is how well-supported Rovers are even when being ripped off in comparison to the other Lancs clubs. 

Done some research for the figures before the early bird schemes.

Preston sold 7.557 in 21/22 then around 12,000 in 22/23. This season they extended the early bird for  another 24 hours on Saturday and sold a further 300, and are now on 11,300 for 23/24

Bolton sold 10.500 in 21/22 and introduced their early bird in 222/23 , sold 14.300. This season they have just gone past 15.000, 

So it has been a great success and shows that people attract people.

Last season was PNE's biggest season ticket  uptake for 50 years

 

Edited June 11, 2023 by Old Rover

[Hasta]

8 minutes ago, Gav said:

I disagree @47er

We sold just over 9000 last season with half season tickets I think, knock £100 off and we’d possibly shift 10k.

Our average gates are around 14k, with away support, the numbers don’t stack up.

Success on the pitch brings punters through the gate and season ticket increases, we need promotion, not £100 discount. 

In the summer of 2009 were in the same league as we had been for the last few years, had just achieved our worst finish and lowest points total  since relegation and had the supposed anti-christ of football Big Sam managing us.

So why that summer did we achieve our highes sales ST since 1995? It surely couldn't  have been the £100 discount could it?

Edited June 11, 2023 by Hasta

[Sweaty Gussets]

13 minutes ago, Old Rover said:

Done some research for the figures before the early bird schemes.

Preston sold 7.557 in 21/22 then around 12,000 in 22/23. This season they extended the early bird for  another 24 hours on Saturday and sold a further 300, and are now on 11,300 for 23/24

Bolton sold 10.500 in 21/22 and introduced their early bird in 222/23 , sold 14.300. This season they have just gone past 15.000, 

So it has been a great success and shows that people attract people.

Last season was PNE's biggest season ticket  uptake for 50 years

 

Thanks for that. So Bolton and PNE increased ST sales by 3.8k and 4.5k respectively after reducing prices. 

No reason it wouldn't happen at Rovers.