Season tickets 2023-24 - what could/should be offered ?

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Doogs said:

In 1991 I paid 99 pound for my season ticket. We sold 5000. At the end of that season we won the play off final. Jack put the price up to 199 pound an 100 pound increase. We sold over 1200...Price increase...More Sales...Just saying..

Wonder why

[Hasta]

27 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

It was £279 in the Riverside in 2018 when he was appointed.

It's only gone up £2.50 a month. Thats nothing. You'd have to be a right pezzy bastard to not be able to afford that. 🙄

[Sweaty Gussets]

It's a while since I've heard 'pezzy' 🙂 Classic insult back in the day. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

I think the senior execs/players at the club should donate a weeks wages every year to a fund that buys underprivileged children match day tickets. 

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

its a extra pound a month in 15 years. Not alot really is it? 

Of course it’s a fucking lot! It’s a Season Ticket, not an investment portfolio.

It’s a difference of over 10,000 fans, which is the whole fucking point.

Your ability to be so patronising and yet so oblivious never ceases to amaze me.

[wilsdenrover]

14 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Of course it’s a fucking lot! It’s a Season Ticket, not an investment portfolio.

It’s a difference of over 10,000 fans, which is the whole fucking point.

Your ability to be so patronising and yet so oblivious never ceases to amaze me.

It’s an inflation rate of 4.4% a year - sounds pretty high to me…

[Wheelton Blue]

8 hours ago, Gav said:

I didn’t imply that, I said the increase would be minimal, 10k’ish in the current climate if you knocked £100 off in my opinion. 

 

So a 25% increase then? Not to be sniffed at. no?

[47er]

4 hours ago, Mike E said:

When STs were £199 in the BBE, we sold 19,000 of them.

That’s evidence in OUR OWN HISTORY.

Exactly! If the average price of a season ticket was £400 and we sold 9000 that would total £3.6M

if the average price was £300 the total for the Club would be £2.7M, a loss of £900000.

So it would take 3000 new season ticket  holders to make-up that difference.

With a well-run promotion campaign and a few good signings, does anyone really doubt we wouldn't achieve that or better?

A similar reduction in walk-on prices would also assist and we would have a vibrant Ewood Park once again.

I realise that my calculations are not scientific and that it would take a far more able (and motivated) mathematician to work out the exact cost based on actual prices but surely Gav you get the drift?

Its not like trying to get a doctor's appointment is it?!!

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

If a loaf of bread had increased at £1 a month would that be ok? What about petrol? What about a brand new Ferrari?  It’s a nonsense stat.

I would, just for comparison, like to know how much a month season tickets have increased since Swaggot came through the door, especially in the riverside. 

 

19 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Of course it’s a fucking lot! It’s a Season Ticket, not an investment portfolio.

It’s a difference of over 10,000 fans, which is the whole fucking point.

Your ability to be so patronising and yet so oblivious never ceases to amaze me.

Mike, I don't think £379 is alot of money to pay for ST from my view point. I think it's value for money in my opinion. 

But you compare it to when we are PL and when season ticket revenue didn't matters compare to now when it does

[Upside Down]

18 hours ago, Mellor Rover said:

I also have a Rovers supporting mate who lives in Lagos on the Algarve, so think we best include that in our estimates too. 

And I'm in New Zealand so we best include the entire southern hemisphere as well.

[Upside Down]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Mike, I don't think £379 is alot of money to pay for ST from my view point. I think it's value for money in my opinion. 

But you compare it to when we are PL and when season ticket revenue didn't matters compare to now when it does

Or just compare it to the club ten minutes down the road who play in the same division as us.

[Guest]

Season Ticket Estimate

Latest: 8,106 (+0)

Notes:

• The estimate is based upon the total number of saleable seats to home supporters (18,210), minus the amount of unavailable (sold) seats.
• (+xx) represents the difference in season ticket sales from the previous estimate (usually 24 hours).
• 159 seats in block W01 are marked as unavailable (sold), but are not saleable due to being cordoned-off. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• 376 seats for supporters requiring ground-level font-row access are marked as unavailable (sold), but appear to be block-reserved rather than fully sold. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• A seat is marked as unavailable for up to 28 minutes when added to the basket. It is not possible to exclude these from the estimate.

[Mattyblue]

🚂… derailed.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Season Ticket Estimate

Latest: 8,106 (+0)

Notes:

• The estimate is based upon the total number of saleable seats to home supporters (18,210), minus the amount of unavailable (sold) seats.
• (+xx) represents the difference in season ticket sales from the previous estimate (usually 24 hours).
• 159 seats in block W01 are marked as unavailable (sold), but are not saleable due to being cordoned-off. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• 376 seats for supporters requiring ground-level font-row access are marked as unavailable (sold), but appear to be block-reserved rather than fully sold. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• A seat is marked as unavailable for up to 28 minutes when added to the basket. It is not possible to exclude these from the estimate.

Choo choo 🚂 

[Gav]

8 hours ago, 47er said:

Exactly! If the average price of a season ticket was £400 and we sold 9000 that would total £3.6M

if the average price was £300 the total for the Club would be £2.7M, a loss of £900000.

So it would take 3000 new season ticket  holders to make-up that difference.

With a well-run promotion campaign and a few good signings, does anyone really doubt we wouldn't achieve that or better?

A similar reduction in walk-on prices would also assist and we would have a vibrant Ewood Park once again.

I realise that my calculations are not scientific and that it would take a far more able (and motivated) mathematician to work out the exact cost based on actual prices but surely Gav you get the drift?

Its not like trying to get a doctor's appointment is it?!!

My main point has been lost......

If the club was interested in attracting more season ticket holders they'd slash the prices beyond £100, tell the fans we have a transfer budget and as you say market the hell out of Premiership here we come. Charge £199 across the board and you'd sell plenty more in my opinion.

If the club really wanted to get radical they'd give them away for a season and then we'd really have a buzzing Ewood, after all the owners don't give a toss about money as the Diaz, Rothwell and Lenihan free player scheme shows. How that impacts FFP who knows, but would John Williams and Jack have allowed FFP to restrict us? I doubt it, they'd have got creative as many clubs have done.

But I still maintain, that knocking off £100 from the current prices during the discounted period would not massively increase the take-up and before anyone says it, I could give a fig about PNE or Bolton. 

Sadly as Matty have said many times, we'll never know, because the current regime are happy to plod along with the status quo. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Gav

[Mattyblue]

I ‘don’t give a fig’ about them either, however I do give a lot of figs about Blackburn Rovers- so it is obviously telling and useful that very similar local clubs have had such spikes in sales. Reducing prices by £100+, even outside the PL, increases sales markedly, that is now very clear.

Interesting that Bolton did it under new owners, PNE did it with the same owners, but only when the son of Trevor Hemmings has taken a more prominent role in the club… 

Obviously the first change won’t be happening here probably in all our bloody lifetimes, but the second is possible in the medium term -  roll on that day, a new broom, a fresh approach and let’s get out of this stupor.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Mattyblue

[47er]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

But I still maintain, that knocking off £100 from the current prices during the discounted period would not massively increase the take-up and before anyone says it, I could give a fig about PNE or Bolton. 

 

My opinion remains that knocking £100 off season tickets would result in a substantial increase in buyers and that we would sell another 3000, maybe more. Bolton and Preston's experience are not irrelevant to this discussion, on the contrary.

And, as others have said, we have our own experience with low prices.

Equally confident that this at face loss would be at the least counter-acted by increased sales.

But I do agree with you that we are not likely ever to find out!

[wilsdenrover]

10 hours ago, 47er said:

Exactly! If the average price of a season ticket was £400 and we sold 9000 that would total £3.6M

if the average price was £300 the total for the Club would be £2.7M, a loss of £900000.

So it would take 3000 new season ticket  holders to make-up that difference.

With a well-run promotion campaign and a few good signings, does anyone really doubt we wouldn't achieve that or better?

A similar reduction in walk-on prices would also assist and we would have a vibrant Ewood Park once again.

I realise that my calculations are not scientific and that it would take a far more able (and motivated) mathematician to work out the exact cost based on actual prices but surely Gav you get the drift?

Its not like trying to get a doctor's appointment is it?!!

The fans forum minutes said we’d sold 7,300 and generated an income of approx £1.975m - this makes the average ticket price (at that point) £270.

if you reduced this average by 25% to £202 you’d need to sell an additional 2,477 tickets to achieve the same income (an increase of around 34%)

 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We're all pissing into the wind....the Waggot is not for turning.

[Doogs]

A lot of talk re..PNE season tickets. How many free tickets in them figures of 11000?. An adult buying ticket can get free season tickets for up to 4 children under 11...Just saying..

[superniko]

4 minutes ago, Doogs said:

A lot of talk re..PNE season tickets. How many free tickets in them figures of 11000?. An adult buying ticket can get free season tickets for up to 4 children under 11...Just saying..

Do it again for League 1 Bolton please...Just saying..

EDIT: Just to add - it's a bloody good policy. How many of our 8k do you think are U12? Lets say 1k which feels very very generous....that's a total income of £60k. It's borderline pointless.....might as well give them away for free. Give me more bums on seats, tickets for future fans, more club kits sold than our current shambolic policy Doogs/Steve.

Edited June 12, 2023 by superniko

[47er]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

The fans forum minutes said we’d sold 7,300 and generated an income of approx £1.975m - this makes the average ticket price (at that point) £270.

if you reduced this average by 25% to £202 you’d need to sell an additional 2,477 tickets to achieve the same income (an increase of around 34%)

 

 

Thanks for that. 2477 new tickets easily achievable  and I think we'd get more. But it takes vision and hard graft, not least in winning over the owners so I won't expect it to happen.

[Mattyblue]

9 minutes ago, Doogs said:

A lot of talk re..PNE season tickets. How many free tickets in them figures of 11000?. An adult buying ticket can get free season tickets for up to 4 children under 11...Just saying..

I think you’ve read the FAQs wrong re four free tickets per adult. The one on their website says only 4 Under 14 tickets can be bought per adult… though happy to be corrected if you have a different FAQ.

However, generally great stuff, get the next generation in just like we used to do with Under 8s… just saying.

(What’s happened to your sales train, by the way? Could Mr Negative have been right that 90% of sales are made in the early bird, and we will now see a trickle? I accept your apology in advance 😉)
 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Doogs]

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I think you’ve read the FAQs wrong re four free tickets per adult. The one on their website says only 4 Under 14 tickets can be bought per adult… though happy to be corrected if you have a different FAQ.

However, generally great stuff, get the next generation in just like we used to do with Under 8s… just saying.
 

My mistake if am wrong Matt. But it's to hot to check...

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Doogs said:

A lot of talk re..PNE season tickets. How many free tickets in them figures of 11000?. An adult buying ticket can get free season tickets for up to 4 children under 11...Just saying..

How many free tickets and handouts in ours? Every question used to try discredit other teams' (Bolton and PNE) sales can be used just as accurately when trying to interrogate our number which is miles behind both of theirs.

The long and short of it is simple:

Cheaper season tickets = increased sales.

Increased sales = more matchday revenue.

Anyone trying to argue those points are either on Waggott's payroll or purposely being hard work. Or both.