Adam Wharton

[bluebruce]

I caught about 20 minutes of the u21 game (about 10 and a bit end of first half and about 10 of the start of the second half). Tbh the game seemed to be passing Adam by. Not in a way that was necessarily his fault, the team were playing in other areas mostly, although there was a time or two I thought he could have showed a bit better for the ball. I see he is barely involved on the highlights too.

But, I didn't see the whole game. Did anybody else on here?

Tbf I can see how he might not be too arsed about an u21 friendly, when he's been overlooked yet again for the main team and won't want to risk a recurrence of his injury. But if he wants to make the step up it would help to shine at this level. But it's just one game, and I saw less than a quarter of it.

[chaddyrovers]

On 14/03/2025 at 10:52, Mashed Potatoes said:

It is several months now since Wharton played 90 minutes in the Premier League and I did hear a radio commentator say that he was blowing very hard when he came off in his last game against Ipswich so perhaps Palace have had a quiet word with Tutchel to say that it might be best for him to stay with them to work on his fitness.

so why was he in the under 21's squad? 

9 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

According to the BBC both Utd and City are preparing to battle it out for Wharton’s signature this Summer. Somebody please tell me again that £ 18 million was a really good deal for us.

his value has gone up cos of his Premier league performances, no way were we getting 30m for him as championship but we will get around extra £5m to £10m for our sell on clause so overall we got £27m to £32m for him overall

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

so why was he in the under 21's squad? 

his value has gone up cos of his Premier league performances, no way were we getting 30m for him as championship but we will get around extra £5m to £10m for our sell on clause so overall we got £27m to £32m for him overall

You mean the Chicken Chokers will be getting £27m to £32m for him. We won’t see a penny of it.

[roversfan99]

The sell on is a seperate thing, its not as if it wouldnt have been included had we been in a position to get a bigger fee.

Had we not been such distressed sellers then we could have got more had we waited. We were desperate to sell which weakened our bargaining power. Had we waited he would have had more time to prove how good he was/is. And crucially had it been in the summer, Premier League clubs naturally spend far more and buy more players so it likely wouldnt have been just Palace.

[Tom]

33 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You mean the Chicken Chokers will be getting £27m to £32m for him. We won’t see a penny of it.

So by the same token it wasn’t ‘us’ that got a bad deal then?

I think we got £5-£10m less than potentially we could have but there would have been a ceiling regardless whilst he was here (unless he got us promoted of course)

[Forever Blue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

no way were we getting 30m for him as championship but we will get around extra £5m to £10m for our sell on clause so overall we got £27m to £32m for him overall

You’re wrong.

Alex Scott went from Bristol City to B’mouth for £25m a few months before AW left for Palace. AW is a far better player. £30m should have been the minimum Rovers considered selling him for. 

[47er]

We had to sell him no matter what, so when only one bidder came in we had to take what they offered.

Any rational owners would have kept him longer so that other clubs would see what a gem was on offer.

Venky poison.

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The sell on is a seperate thing, its not as if it wouldnt have been included had we been in a position to get a bigger fee.

Had we not been such distressed sellers then we could have got more had we waited. We were desperate to sell which weakened our bargaining power. Had we waited he would have had more time to prove how good he was/is. And crucially had it been in the summer, Premier League clubs naturally spend far more and buy more players so it likely wouldnt have been just Palace.

No one know if we would have got more or not. Palace first bid of £15m were rejected and we got £18m plus £4m in add ons and 15% sell on clause on profit. if a club had more alot more, you would obviously reduced the percentage of sell on clause as normal IMO

10 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

You’re wrong.

Alex Scott went from Bristol City to B’mouth for £25m a few months before AW left for Palace. AW is a far better player. £30m should have been the minimum Rovers considered selling him for. 

Not wrong at all Forever Blue but have a different opinion 

Scott had played more championship games and more England caps at younger level plus Scott was described by Pep Guardiola as an "unbelievable player" and by Jack Grealish as a "top, top talent". Also Scott was named EFL Championship Young Player of the Season 2022/2023, and included in the EFL Championship Team of the Season 2022/23

Wharton had none of that. Key difference 

 

[47er]

Its simple Chaddy, we'd have got more if there had been more than one club interested.

So, it made financial sense to postpone a sale while Adam's reputation continued to rise.

If you think the Club handled this well you're beyond help.

[Forever Blue]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No one know if we would have got more or not. Palace first bid of £15m were rejected and we got £18m plus £4m in add ons and 15% sell on clause on profit. if a club had more alot more, you would obviously reduced the percentage of sell on clause as normal IMO

Not wrong at all Forever Blue but have a different opinion 

Scott had played more championship games and more England caps at younger level plus Scott was described by Pep Guardiola as an "unbelievable player" and by Jack Grealish as a "top, top talent". Also Scott was named EFL Championship Young Player of the Season 2022/2023, and included in the EFL Championship Team of the Season 2022/23

Wharton had none of that. Key difference 

 

And yet AW is still a better player. Key Difference.

So yes, you’re wrong. We could have easily got £30m for him. 

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

And yet AW is still a better player. Key Difference.

in your opinion tho

7 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

So yes, you’re wrong. We could have easily got £30m for him. 

not wrong at all Forever Blue. no one was bidding £30m for him even now. His value has GONE UP cos of his Premier League performances not cos of his Blackburn performances, 

[riverholmes]

17 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I caught about 20 minutes of the u21 game (about 10 and a bit end of first half and about 10 of the start of the second half). Tbh the game seemed to be passing Adam by. Not in a way that was necessarily his fault, the team were playing in other areas mostly, although there was a time or two I thought he could have showed a bit better for the ball. I see he is barely involved on the highlights too.

But, I didn't see the whole game. Did anybody else on here?

Tbf I can see how he might not be too arsed about an u21 friendly, when he's been overlooked yet again for the main team and won't want to risk a recurrence of his injury. But if he wants to make the step up it would help to shine at this level. But it's just one game, and I saw less than a quarter of it.

Saw a small part of it and agree, he didn’t seem to be influencing the game much. Maybe because he was playing deeper than he usually does for his club. 

It seemed a bit like a playground football, end-to-end game. It needed Wharton (and others) to try and control the flow but perhaps he isn’t quite experienced enough yet.

I think I saw him do his trademark diving in to try and stop a counter-attack. The opponent got away and Wharton was out of the game on the ground. I’m no coach, but it might be something he needs to work on. 

Rayan Cherki on the wing for France looked a player.

Edited Sunday at 09:09 by riverholmes

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

No one know if we would have got more or not. Palace first bid of £15m were rejected and we got £18m plus £4m in add ons and 15% sell on clause on profit. if a club had more alot more, you would obviously reduced the percentage of sell on clause as normal IMO

Not wrong at all Forever Blue but have a different opinion 

Scott had played more championship games and more England caps at younger level plus Scott was described by Pep Guardiola as an "unbelievable player" and by Jack Grealish as a "top, top talent". Also Scott was named EFL Championship Young Player of the Season 2022/2023, and included in the EFL Championship Team of the Season 2022/23

Wharton had none of that. Key difference 

 

Are City and Utd battling it out for Scott’s signature ? Can Scott pass a ball like Wharton can ? In fact name me a player playing in the Premier League that can pass a ball like Wharton. The lad is a one off.

Edited Sunday at 09:26 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Mattyblue]

Article in todays Sunday Times raving about him. Predicting he’ll be the midfield controller a la Kroos, Busquets and Pirlo that England have been missing for decades… and we bundled him out the door to the first bidder.

Another shameful episode from these disgraceful owners.

[47er]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

no one was bidding £30m for him even now.

well the Transfer Widow is closed isn't it?

[roversfan99]

Typical refusal to believe that the club could have possibly done wrong.

Of course as a Championship player there would always be a cap on his value. But common sense says, if we werent so desperate, had there likely been more interested parties in a summer window where teams naturally spend much more and after further proof of his ability playing for us, we could have got more. Its not even about direct comparisons to other players, its just logic based on our weak negotiating power.

It doesnt matter anyway. £10m, £20m, £30m, it makes no difference to the club as we dont see a penny.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

In fact name me a player playing in the Premier League that can pass a ball like Wharton. The lad is a one off.

Yes his stock has risen cos of his performances at a PL club not cos his championship performances. 

Kevin De Bruyne to your question 

52 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Typical refusal to believe that the club could have possibly done wrong.

Of course as a Championship player there would always be a cap on his value. But common sense says, if we werent so desperate, had there likely been more interested parties in a summer window where teams naturally spend much more and after further proof of his ability playing for us, we could have got more. Its not even about direct comparisons to other players, its just logic based on our weak negotiating power.

It doesnt matter anyway. £10m, £20m, £30m, it makes no difference to the club as we dont see a penny.

no have a non biased opinion cos he was Rovers fan and player. 

We were desperate cos of Indian court situation and we need money in. Shit Situation to be in

Yes they could have been more clubs interested but moving to someone like Palace was a sensible move and get him playing regular where has gone to top 6 club he could have more time on the bench and not grown and developed like he has. 

 

[Mattyblue]

…or he could have stayed here and been the cornerstone of a promotion side and we could be enjoying him in the Premier League instead - I know, I know, crazy talk!

[Forever Blue]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

in your opinion tho

not wrong at all Forever Blue. no one was bidding £30m for him even now. His value has GONE UP cos of his Premier League performances not cos of his Blackburn performances, 

Don’t be silly, everyone with an ounce of footballing nouse knew he was destined to become a top player. We just sold him on the cheap because we were desperate for the money.

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Don’t be silly, everyone with an ounce of footballing nouse knew he was destined to become a top player. We just sold him on the cheap because we were desperate for the money.

his value has gone up so much based on his Premier League performances at Palace 

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

his value has gone up so much based on his Premier League performances at Palace 

Which has nothing to do with whether we could have got £30m for him. 

[islander200]

22 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Don’t be silly, everyone with an ounce of footballing nouse knew he was destined to become a top player. We just sold him on the cheap because we were desperate for the money.

Everyone? Then why weren't City , Liverpool, Arsenal etc matching the low transfer fee?

Why had he played a year for us but hadn't received a call up to the under 21s?

Young Rigg at Sunderland has a lot of noise about him and has looked excellent the times iv seen him, yet Nixon and other media are saying Sunderland were hoping for £20 million but only likely to get 10 plus extras.We where never going to get £30 million for Wharton whilst a championship club 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Which has nothing to do with whether we could have got £30m for him. 

says who? you? based on what? your opinion? 

I have explained why Scott was worth more than Wharton. Wharton was a talent but his stock has gone up based on only PL performances hence why City want him now 

[Exiled_Rover]

16 hours ago, Tom said:

So by the same token it wasn’t ‘us’ that got a bad deal then?

I think we got £5-£10m less than potentially we could have but there would have been a ceiling regardless whilst he was here (unless he got us promoted of course)

It's all irrelevant - we won't see a penny of it. It's just helped the owners (and by the sounds of it will continue to help them) keep their strangle hold on the club without investing any money. I'm resigned to that fact now - they're determined to kill us. 

The biggest travesty is that we only got to see him play for Rovers for 12 months. 

[roversfan99]

You can go down the rabbit hole of well this player went for this, Nixon thinks this player is worth this, this player has these England under 21 caps, whatever.

Surely it is common sense that if it wasnt in the much quieter January window, if we werent as desperate and if he had more experience and game time under his belt, we would naturally be in a position to get more money.

There probably was a ceiling in that he would only ever go for the big, big money after proving himself in the Premier League. But due to the various circumstances leading to us pushing him out of the door, his value was reduced.