Adam Wharton

[roverandout]

5 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Are City and Utd battling it out for Scott’s signature ? Can Scott pass a ball like Wharton can ? In fact name me a player playing in the Premier League that can pass a ball like Wharton. The lad is a one off.

Lol when u said scott I thought u were referring to Scott Wharton 

[roverandout]

I can honestly see Wharton having the same impact that Bellingham has had at real madrid if he goes there

[den]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

not wrong at all Forever Blue. no one was bidding £30m for him even now, 

If no one was bidding his true worth, we shouldn’t have sold him. 
 

You know….. we were completely in control of the price that he went for. It was nothing to do with what anyone was prepared to pay. 

[islander200]

50 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You can go down the rabbit hole of well this player went for this, Nixon thinks this player is worth this, this player has these England under 21 caps, whatever.

Surely it is common sense that if it wasnt in the much quieter January window, if we werent as desperate and if he had more experience and game time under his belt, we would naturally be in a position to get more money.

There probably was a ceiling in that he would only ever go for the big, big money after proving himself in the Premier League. But due to the various circumstances leading to us pushing him out of the door, his value was reduced. 

The comment was "anyone can see it with him".If the big clubs wanted him they would have bought him in January.The general concensus is that Palace got an absolute bargain. The big clubs ain't going to pass up on a bargain in the January window to come back a few months later and pay many millions more. 

And also the England under 21s is supposedly for the best young players of that age in the country...he didn't make one squad whilst here.Even the younger ages than that he wasn't being involved until he had played at championship level for us whilst Phillips was.Im of the opinion these scouts and recruitment felt he was missing something in his game,  that's why it was Palace took him and not one of the bigger clubs.

Disgrace we were forced to sell him but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that teams where going to be coming in in the summer putting down many more millions on the table for him.

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

The comment was "anyone can see it with him".If the big clubs wanted him they would have bought him in January.The general concensus is that Palace got an absolute bargain. The big clubs ain't going to pass up on a bargain in the January window to come back a few months later and pay many millions more. 

And also the England under 21s is supposedly for the best young players of that age in the country...he didn't make one squad whilst here.Even the younger ages than that he wasn't being involved until he had played at championship level for us whilst Phillips was.Im of the opinion these scouts and recruitment felt he was missing something in his game,  that's why it was Palace took him and not one of the bigger clubs.

Disgrace we were forced to sell him but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that teams where going to be coming in in the summer putting down many more millions on the table for him.

Had he played more football for us then he likely would have improved upon and proved those weaker areas and generated more attention. Also, you downplay it but £18-20m is not an insignifant amount especially considering FFP to spend in January even if its a bargain as teams restructure their team more in the summer. But even if it was still only Palace, they would have had to pay more if we werent so desperate.

We were desperate to sell, it was January and had he stayed he would have proven his quality more. I dont care about other incomparable players, England under 21 caps or Nixon rumours, its surely basic business logic that had we waited and not been so desperate we most likely would have got more.

[islander200]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Had he played more football for us then he likely would have improved upon and proved those weaker areas and generated more attention. Also, you downplay it but £18-20m is not an insignifant amount especially considering FFP to spend in January even if its a bargain as teams restructure their team more in the summer. But even if it was still only Palace, they would have had to pay more if we werent so desperate.

We were desperate to sell, it was January and had he stayed he would have proven his quality more. I dont care about other incomparable players, England under 21 caps or Nixon rumours, its surely basic business logic that had we waited and not been so desperate we most likely would have got more.

It's an insignificant amount for a top club ,who could have paid it without any issues.

The comments are "anyone can see it " or "anyone with 2 eyes can see how good he was and we would have got much more in the summer "

He had played 12 months of regular championship football,and had not been called up once,so obviously the people making those decisions didn't fancy him enough. I don't care that you don't care about the England u21, its an indicator of how little or big a young player is rated outside his club ,they obviously didn't rate him highly enough like the top clubs(wrongly so ) but the evidence is there he wasn't picked and the top clubs didn't come in for 

And on your first point I don't think Wharton was having a great season with us last season,moments of quality but our midfield was being dominated most games from December onwards. 

I'm just of the opinion he needed to prove himself up a level before the fees would have got much much larger.

 

Edited Sunday at 15:59 by islander200

[simongarnerisgod]

if the club had shown any slight ambition,they`de have kept wharton for another season and given  jdt some help in the transfer market,the big clubs would have been fighting between themselves to sign him

[Mattyblue]

So the wider game didn’t appreciate how good he was? Probably best not to take the first offer that came in then and bide some time until it’s caught up, or how about building a side around him and try and get promoted yourself, you know, the point of professional football … oh, that’s right we had the owners’ bills to pay for them.

We’ll go round in circles on this, nobody disagrees that we’d have got £30million in January 2024… so you keep him and utilise the player yourself, especially when he’s a fan happy to stay… but of course, Venky’s had other ideas.

[Forever Blue]

Alan Shearer, on a podcast a couple on months after Wharton was sold, said everyone at Ewood knew he was sold on the cheap. He also said everyone knows why. 
 

EVERYONE knew he’s was a special talent, far better than the guy at Bristol. 

[M_B]

Have to wait and see what the final fee is with all the add ons and sell on fee.

Like with Raya, despite all the criticism, the club has ended up banking more than the club had any chance of receiving from a higher   straight transfer fee.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Have to wait and see what the final fee is with all the add ons and sell on fee.

Like with Raya, despite all the criticism, the club has ended up banking more than the club had any chance of receiving from a higher   straight transfer fee.

That is based on the assumption that a sell on fee was instead of more money up front.

Had we waited and not been as desperate then we should have been able to get more of a fee but still include the sell on. So say you receive £10m extra, the only difference beyond that is that the profit of any future sale is £10m less so the % of that is reduced, say by 12.5/15%. 

[M_B]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

That is based on the assumption that a sell on fee was instead of more money up front.

Had we waited and not been as desperate then we should have been able to get more of a fee but still include the sell on. So say you receive £10m extra, the only difference beyond that is that the profit of any future sale is £10m less so the % of that is reduced, say by 12.5/15%. 

It's a fine balance,Bellingham went from Birmingham for an initial £25 million, with only a 5% sell on clause.

Wharton went for £30 million, but with a reported 15% clause. If an auction ends up taking place, the club could yet do very well from the higher sell on percentage.

[Forever Blue]

7 minutes ago, M_B said:

It's a fine balance,Bellingham went from Birmingham for an initial £25 million, with only a 5% sell on clause.

Wharton went for £30 million, but with a reported 15% clause. If an auction ends up taking place, the club could yet do very well from the higher sell on percentage.

Wharton went for £18m

[Upside Down]

Given that precisely £0 has been reinvested and given the reason why he was sold, I'm glad they sold him on the cheap.

Yet another example of just how fucking stupid the people who own and run this club are.

 

[chaddyrovers]

Wharton went for £18m plus £4m in add ons. Also a 15% sell on clause on profit so that would be around £7-10M mark so overall we got between £25m to £30m. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes his stock has risen cos of his performances at a PL club not cos his championship performances. 

Kevin De Bruyne to your question 

no have a non biased opinion cos he was Rovers fan and player. 

We were desperate cos of Indian court situation and we need money in. Shit Situation to be in

Yes they could have been more clubs interested but moving to someone like Palace was a sensible move and get him playing regular where has gone to top 6 club he could have more time on the bench and not grown and developed like he has. 

 

You’re not comparing like with like. DeBruyne plays in a different position entirely . It’s more difficult to play the defence splitting passes that Wharton plays from just in front of the back four than behind the strikers where DeBruyne plays.

[M_B]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wharton went for £18m plus £4m in add ons. Also a 15% sell on clause on profit so that would be around £7-10M mark so overall we got between £25m to £30m. 

Yeah, my mistake, I was thinking £30 million overall.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You’re not comparing like with like. DeBruyne plays in a different position entirely . It’s more difficult to play the defence splitting passes that Wharton plays from just in front of the back four than behind the strikers where DeBruyne plays.

Well if he goes City, he won't be playing that role there. Rodri and Nico play there. He will play a different role. 

[roversfan99]

21 minutes ago, M_B said:

It's a fine balance,Bellingham went from Birmingham for an initial £25 million, with only a 5% sell on clause.

Wharton went for £30 million, but with a reported 15% clause. If an auction ends up taking place, the club could yet do very well from the higher sell on percentage.

But the argument is that had we not been so desperate and had waited until at least the summer, to put ourselves in a much stronger negotiating position, that we would get more money.

Not a bit more and with a reduction of the release clause whereby it somehow comes to being less overall.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well if he goes City, he won't be playing that role there. Rodri and Nico play there. He will play a different role. 

You don’t know that. There’s nothing to say that Rodri will be the same player next season.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You don’t know that. There’s nothing to say that Rodri will be the same player next season.

Neither do you. Also City have just spent £50m on Nico Gonzalez to complete Robri for that role. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But the argument is that had we not been so desperate and had waited until at least the summer, to put ourselves in a much stronger negotiating position, that we would get more money.

Not a bit more and with a reduction of the release clause whereby it somehow comes to being less overall.

Rovers rejected Palace's original bid of £15m. We got higher fee and sell on clause  

[Forever Blue]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers rejected Palace's original bid of £15m. We got higher fee and sell on clause  

Undervalued and with a shit sell-on %. 

 

[Exiled_Rover]

3 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Alan Shearer, on a podcast a couple on months after Wharton was sold, said everyone at Ewood knew he was sold on the cheap. He also said everyone knows why. 
 

EVERYONE knew he’s was a special talent, far better than the guy at Bristol. 

Everyone knows why, but nobody in authority is doing anything about it...

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers rejected Palace's original bid of £15m. We got higher fee and sell on clause  

Doesnt change anything that I said. Our negotiating position was weak because we was desperate to sell ASAP.