Adam Wharton

[islander200]

20 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

One can only presume ( i fuckin hope ) that Palace have said hes not available due to just coming back from injury. And after the way he was treated when he previously made the squad i cant bloody blame um !

Glasner asked for him not to be called up when it was put to him after they played Aston Villa.Said he will get many caps for England,  but on this occasion hoped sense would prevail and he would be left out of this on as still building his fitness up 

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, London blue said:

Curious where you think we're lacking

Right across the defence. Left back and centre back are particlarly weak especially with Stones so much on the decline physically and obviously Luke Shaw is a busted flush. Trent is the stand out right back but in a solid Liverpool side, theres less exposure defensively which is where he struggles.

Central midfield we are again lacking in options especially ones to sit in. 

Most of our top attacking players want to all play in the same area. There is obviously some real quality in there but you are stuck either trying to force too many in or dropping some to bring in good players rather than top players but to add more balance.

 

[roverandout]

And yes roversfan they're not all world class.  Argentina barely had any world class players and they've won 3 tournaments on the bounce

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Right across the defence. Left back and centre back are particlarly weak especially with Stones so much on the decline physically and obviously Luke Shaw is a busted flush. Trent is the stand out right back but in a solid Liverpool side, theres less exposure defensively which is where he struggles.

Central midfield we are again lacking in options especially ones to sit in. 

Most of our top attacking players want to all play in the same area. There is obviously some real quality in there but you are stuck either trying to force too many in or dropping some to bring in good players rather than top players but to add more balance.

 

I would say James is the stand out right back if he can stay fit 

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I wonder what the perceived deficiencies in Whartons game are that prevented a big club bidding for him when at Rovers, and seem to be holding him back at International level ?

His lack of pace is for me his biggest weakness - I wonder what everyone else thinks ?

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Not lacking in any area really.  Left back is sorted with hall. Right back is very strong. A lot of good defenders. Very good attacking options. Midfield is still needing a Wharton type.  And we need to find a back up for kane

You would say that as you have the chaddy style blinkers regarding England.

A defence of say Trent Konsa Guehi and Hall is nowhere near a top level one. 

We have some very good attacking options but they mainly all want to play in that same area just off the striker. And Kane is included in that.

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

You would say that as you have the chaddy style blinkers regarding England.

A defence of say Trent Konsa Guehi and Hall is nowhere near a top level one. 

We have some very good attacking options but they mainly all want to play in that same area just off the striker. And Kane is included in that.

Not true.  Konsa and ghuei have looked every inch international defenders. Ghuei was one of the stand out players at the euros. Hall has been magnificent for Newcastle.  Of course they're not a top level one but who other than France have a plethora of top class centrebacks. Spain started Laporte and le Normand in the final.  As for hall, he's only just turned 20 and already looks the complete full back

[superniko]

Not really sure where to start with that squad.

- 4 Goalkeepers

- Jordan Henderson

- Kyle Walker

- Quansah has played about 3 games all year (but obviously Liverpool)

- Rashford on the back of 2 Villa appearances

- No Wharton, No Gibbs-White, No Spence, No Brainthwaite 

[superniko]

Fully fit the keeper, midfield and attack should pick itself:

Pickford, Rice, Wharton, Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Kane 

Defence is the massive question market really, with no stand-outs across the line at all, outside of a fully fit John Stones (which is rare these days).

[roverandout]

Henderson one baffles me the most.  Maybe he needs some experienced heads around him in the first squad.  Then he'll phase them out as we go on. Maybe it's a good thing not to include Wharton, he needs his minutes managing. We don't want another jack wilshire 

[roverandout]

Just now, superniko said:

Fully fit the keeper, midfield and attack should pick itself:

Pickford, Rice, Wharton, Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Kane 

Defence is the massive question market really, with no stand-outs across the line at all, outside of a fully fit John Stones (which is rare these days).

I would say ghuei is the stand out defender alongside stones

[MarkBRFC]

Double edged sword.

I'd love to see Adam as the heartbeat in that England side going forward, but I don't want venkys to get there hands on any international clauses that might have been included in the deal, as I believe friendly's don't count towards it.

[superniko]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I would say ghuei is the stand out defender alongside stones

Yeah I'd not argue against that. Fully fit they would be my choice of CBs.

[K-Hod]

Henderson back is a mad one. Particularly when there's no Conor Gallagher, who's essentially a better, younger version.

On the whole, it seems a case of: 'Hey Alexa, play Tame-Impala- Feels like we only go backwards.

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, K-Hod said:

Henderson back is a mad one. Particularly when there's no Conor Gallagher, who's essentially a better, younger version.

On the whole, it seems a case of: 'Hey Alexa, play Tame-Impala- Feels like we only go backwards.

Feels like he's sat at home in his bedroom not done any research just looked at who has a load of caps on Wikipedia and picked his squad 

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Not true.  Konsa and ghuei have looked every inch international defenders. Ghuei was one of the stand out players at the euros. Hall has been magnificent for Newcastle.  Of course they're not a top level one but who other than France have a plethora of top class centrebacks. Spain started Laporte and le Normand in the final.  As for hall, he's only just turned 20 and already looks the complete full back

 

3 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I would say ghuei is the stand out defender alongside stones

I suspect we will never fully agree, Hall is promising but its premature to say hes the complete full back, Guehi is a good Premier League centre back but nothing special and Konsa, meh. James has barely played for years and Stones was key but is unfortunately yesterdays man. Our defence has never been brilliant but its an area in decline and where we are in between generations with Stones no longer capable of regular top level football, Walker slowing down which for a player reliant on pace is trouble, Shaw a total write off and Trippier well below previous levels and no longer an option anyway.

We lack options in central midfield hence Henderson being even a consideration and our attack is where all of our quality is but weve seen before that there is no balance to it so you are left reliant on individual moments.

International tournaments though arent like a league where the best teams win as you touch on with Argentina. A fortunate draw as we repeatedly have had can see you go much further and alternatively a bad one can see you heading home early. One bad day and you are done. Sometimes you can grind yourself through without having the best overall team so that has to be the hope.

When we have come up against good teams in the past we have fallen short and I think our available options now with certain players on the decline we dont look as strong as we have in the past.

[Norbert Rassragr]

Is it 2018 again? 

[roverandout]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

I suspect we will never fully agree, Hall is promising but its premature to say hes the complete full back, Guehi is a good Premier League centre back but nothing special and Konsa, meh. James has barely played for years and Stones was key but is unfortunately yesterdays man. Our defence has never been brilliant but its an area in decline and where we are in between generations with Stones no longer capable of regular top level football, Walker slowing down which for a player reliant on pace is trouble, Shaw a total write off and Trippier well below previous levels and no longer an option anyway.

We lack options in central midfield hence Henderson being even a consideration and our attack is where all of our quality is but weve seen before that there is no balance to it so you are left reliant on individual moments.

International tournaments though arent like a league where the best teams win as you touch on with Argentina. A fortunate draw as we repeatedly have had can see you go much further and alternatively a bad one can see you heading home early. One bad day and you are done. Sometimes you can grind yourself through without having the best overall team so that has to be the hope.

When we have come up against good teams in the past we have fallen short and I think our available options now with certain players on the decline we dont look as strong as we have in the past.

Agree with u but we do have alot of promising young defenders coming through.  Colwill branthwaite Quansah even archie gray. Midfield we had angel gomes who looked the part till tuchel through him out for Henderson 

[G Somerset Rover]

I like to think I have my finger on the pulse of the football world but I genuinely presumed Henderson had slipped into a silent retirement.

Wharton aside how the hell is he getting back in the England squad? Walker too?! I felt optimism in a fresh approach with Tuchel but it’s like Southgate has picked the squad once again.

Edited yesterday at 10:29 by G Somerset Rover

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, roverandout said:

Agree with u but we do have alot of promising young defenders coming through.  Colwill branthwaite Quansah even archie gray. Midfield we had angel gomes who looked the part till tuchel through him out for Henderson 

Archie Gray is a midfielder really but either way, we have always had promising players. But at the moment we feel like we are inbetween teams/generations. We have in recent years been built on a base of experienced defenders like Stones, Walker and to a lesser extent Shaw and Trippier but all of them seem to be past their best and/or unable to cope with the rigours of top level football anymore. They leave big voids and those wanting to take over are nowhere near that level yet.

We still have some quality attackers but they all seem to want to play in the same position.

[roverandout]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Archie Gray is a midfielder really but either way, we have always had promising players. But at the moment we feel like we are inbetween teams/generations. We have in recent years been built on a base of experienced defenders like Stones, Walker and to a lesser extent Shaw and Trippier but all of them seem to be past their best and/or unable to cope with the rigours of top level football anymore. They leave big voids and those wanting to take over are nowhere near that level yet.

We still have some quality attackers but they all seem to want to play in the same position.

Can't disagree.  I've no expectations we will win the world cup anyway.  Not to mention the heat over there

[G Somerset Rover]

56 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I wonder what the perceived deficiencies in Whartons game are that prevented a big club bidding for him when at Rovers, and seem to be holding him back at International level ?

His lack of pace is for me his biggest weakness - I wonder what everyone else thinks ?

He’s no slouch; I personally don’t think that’s holding him back. He needs to add goals to his game for sure, but I’ve no doubt that will come over time. 

I’ll put decent money on that he’ll go for major bucks this summer, or next, and from that moment on he’ll be a permanent fixture in the side. Palace fans know a player and they’re convinced he’s going to be just as big as Olise who is currently ripping it up at Bayern.

Edited yesterday at 10:45 by G Somerset Rover

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, roverandout said:

Can't disagree.  I've no expectations we will win the world cup anyway.  Not to mention the heat over there

I think France, Spain and Brazil are the obvious 3 but obviously a long way away.

The tournament is a farce with the increase in teams.

[G Somerset Rover]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I think France, Spain and Brazil are the obvious 3 but obviously a long way away.

The tournament is a farce with the increase in teams.

Argentina cannot be discounted again; they have strength throughout their side. Colombia and Uruguay will be extremely competitive too.

[Mashed Potatoes]

42 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Feels like he's sat at home in his bedroom not done any research just looked at who has a load of caps on Wikipedia and picked his squad 

It is several months now since Wharton played 90 minutes in the Premier League and I did hear a radio commentator say that he was blowing very hard when he came off in his last game against Ipswich so perhaps Palace have had a quiet word with Tutchel to say that it might be best for him to stay with them to work on his fitness.