Adam Wharton

[Hasta]

  On 10/04/2023 at 18:44, Displaced Rover said:

This is wild! Not sure what I’ve done to incur such research of my posting history 😂

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I was going to do a full reply but I thought what’s the point as I’d be making the same points I made in my post above.

Morton - 28 starts

Wharton - 7 starts. 2 exceptional performances.

That’s why they get treated differently. It’s not double standards. If Wharton had played all season and cost us numerous goals with sloppy passing, and was still playing poorly but repeatedly getting picked, he would be getting the same stick Morton gets. 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Hasta

[ben_the_beast]

  On 10/04/2023 at 17:41, arbitro said:

There appears to be an obsession amongst some posters about 'bulking up' young players. Like Buckley Wharton has terrific balance and can ride challenges so well because of this. He demonstrated against Blackpool that he can tackle too. Tackling is more about timing than steaming in like a bull in a China Shop.

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Wharton seems to use his body well to protect the ball and doesn't mind some if the rougher side if there's a lose ball. Like you say, his slight body allows him to glide past players easily.

Boy does he need to up his cardio though. Even if he's slight he needs to be able to run. If you look at him though he's still a kid. Everyone develops at different rates. One 19 year old will naturally have very different levels of fitness to another. 

One thing I am surprised at, is some people saying it was his worst game in a Rovers shirt. I thought he was a joy to watch. Every time he got the ball, he had an extra second compared to every other player on the pitch. He's a class footballer and his passing was superb. He's a luxury at this stage of his career, but I'd say he's the most naturally gifted footballer in our squad, both now and since Duff/Dunn came through. I really hope he trains hard and builds his stamina, because if he truly sets his mind to fulfilling his potential, he could well be an England regular later in his career.

[ben_the_beast]

Also, I'm willing to hold my hands up. I was fully in the camp of him needing to show it in training before he's in the first team.

But after seeing him again today, even if he's lacking in stamina there's no way he shouldn't at least command a place on the bench. I'm all for JDT giving him a hard time and making him work his arse off to keep getting better, but he is an absolute gift. He's got more talent in his little toe than most of our squad.

[rigger]

  On 10/04/2023 at 18:51, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nobby Stiles was about 5’8” and 10 stones but not many players came away with the ball in a 50/50 with Nobby. 

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But he would not finish many games in modern football, the dirty git.

[Upside Down]

  On 10/04/2023 at 17:41, arbitro said:

There appears to be an obsession amongst some posters about 'bulking up' young players. Like Buckley Wharton has terrific balance and can ride challenges so well because of this. He demonstrated against Blackpool that he can tackle too. Tackling is more about timing than steaming in like a bull in a China Shop.

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Nah fuck that. Get him on the bull steroids and bulk him up.

[simongarnerisgod]

he looks an elegant footballer,as all true left footers do,loads of time on the ball as well,we`ll have a £20 million player on our hands in the next two season,if armstrong can go for the same amount,then adam w certainly can

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 10/04/2023 at 21:01, rigger said:

But he would not finish many games in modern football, the dirty git.

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Nah, he could give a kick but he could take a kick as well. The really dirty ones were the sly ones. 
 

I remember reading an autobiography of a famous player in Nobby’s era. The five forwards who he said were the really dirty gits - Terry Paine, Roy Vernon, Peter Osgood, Johnny Giles, Johnny Morrisey.

How many of those would you have down ?

Edited April 10, 2023 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Sparks Rover]

  On 10/04/2023 at 16:58, Miller11 said:

Wharton needs half as many touches as anyone else and can see passes nobody else can. He tired towards the end, understandably, but could be a big player for us in the run in.

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He tired after 30 minutes.  He needs to work on his cardio.  Was visibly flagging when Huddersfield were breaking on 32 mins....I think he struggles in a 2....I think he needs a couple of years to get his man strength.  Great technical player and potentially our captain in a few years.

[SoldierMo]

He was brilliant always looked to play the forward pasees instead of sideways or backwards cant complain

[Exiled_Rover]

  On 10/04/2023 at 21:58, Sparks Rover said:

He tired after 30 minutes.  He needs to work on his cardio.  Was visibly flagging when Huddersfield were breaking on 32 mins....I think he struggles in a 2....I think he needs a couple of years to get his man strength.  Great technical player and potentially our captain in a few years.

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Just slot him into the Buckley role in the 4-2-3-1. Get Travis to pick up any slack with regards to running. 

Morton can sit on the bench.

[Sparks Rover]

  On 10/04/2023 at 22:36, SoldierMo said:

He was brilliant always looked to play the forward pasees instead of sideways or backwards cant complain

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No complaints but can always improve.

[47er]

Couldn't be dispossessed in some very tight situations. Didn't set the world on fire but played his role.

Natural player to replace. Buckley.

[47er]

  On 10/04/2023 at 21:11, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nah, he could give a kick but he could take a kick as well. The really dirty ones were the sly ones. 
 

I remember reading an autobiography of a famous player in Nobby’s era. The five forwards who he said were the really dirty gits - Terry Paine, Roy Vernon, Peter Osgood, Johnny Giles, Johnny Morrisey.

How many of those would you have down ?

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I wouldn't have said that about Vernon or Osgood. Surprised by that.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 11/04/2023 at 07:40, 47er said:

I wouldn't have said that about Vernon or Osgood. Surprised by that.

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Terry Paine surprised me but this guy knew what he was talking about. Osgood didn’t surprise me.  He was another like Giles who got a bad injury early in his career and made sure he didn’t get another one.

Edited April 11, 2023 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[BankEnd Rover]

  On 10/04/2023 at 21:58, Sparks Rover said:

He tired after 30 minutes.  He needs to work on his cardio.  Was visibly flagging when Huddersfield were breaking on 32 mins....I think he struggles in a 2....I think he needs a couple of years to get his man strength.  Great technical player and potentially our captain in a few years.

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Yeah he will struggle In a 2, as does Morton. Think the 3 man midfield works well for us and something we should defiantly look to proceed with for the remaining games. We have Garrett to come in when & if a player is lagged.

[LDRover]

For me he's miles ahead of anything we have technically. Look at the way he takes the ball on his back foot, half turn and moves it forward. He has no issue in receiving the ball when marked and is deceptively strong in possession. I agree his fitness needs working on but, blimey, we have some player on our hands with this lad.

[oldjamfan1]

  On 10/04/2023 at 21:11, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nah, he could give a kick but he could take a kick as well. The really dirty ones were the sly ones. 
 

I remember reading an autobiography of a famous player in Nobby’s era. The five forwards who he said were the really dirty gits - Terry Paine, Roy Vernon, Peter Osgood, Johnny Giles, Johnny Morrisey.

How many of those would you have down ?

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I played in a five-a-side game with Peter Osgood when he was in his late 40s and he was still a fucking animal even then.

[Sweaty Gussets]

  On 11/04/2023 at 12:08, oldjamfan1 said:

I played in a five-a-side game with Peter Osgood when he was in his late 40s and he was still a fucking animal even then.

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I played against Ian Brittain about 25 years ago. Think he was playing for Kelbrook. Still a good player. I left my foot in when he cleared the ball and he kicked my foot. He wasn't happy and threw a lump of turf in my face 🙂 Once a Dingle...

[oldjamfan1]

  On 11/04/2023 at 12:32, Sweaty Gussets said:

I played against Ian Brittain about 25 years ago. Think he was playing for Kelbrook. Still a good player. I left my foot in when he cleared the ball and he kicked my foot. He wasn't happy and threw a lump of turf in my face 🙂 Once a Dingle...

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Good work lol.

He scored 'that' goal, didn't he...

[Sweaty Gussets]

  On 11/04/2023 at 12:44, oldjamfan1 said:

Good work lol.

He scored 'that' goal, didn't he...

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He did.

Ended up running a Leisure Centre over Burnley way. Died quite young sadly. 

[oldjamfan1]

  On 11/04/2023 at 12:47, Sweaty Gussets said:

He did.

Ended up running a Leisure Centre over Burnley way. Died quite young sadly. 

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Ah I didn't realise that. RIP

[bluebruce]

  On 10/04/2023 at 21:58, Sparks Rover said:

He tired after 30 minutes.  He needs to work on his cardio.  Was visibly flagging when Huddersfield were breaking on 32 mins....I think he struggles in a 2....I think he needs a couple of years to get his man strength.  Great technical player and potentially our captain in a few years.

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His match fitness won't have been helped by being out of the first team for so long, plus an injury not all that long ago. I don't think we should read too much into his cardio until he has had a proper run in the first team.

[bluebruce]

  On 11/04/2023 at 07:57, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Terry Paine surprised me but this guy knew what he was talking about. Osgood didn’t surprise me.  He was another like Giles who got a bad injury early in his career and made sure he didn’t get another one.

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How would being a dirty bastard help him avoid another injury? Surely it just winds up opponents into having a pop at them?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 11/04/2023 at 13:08, bluebruce said:

How would being a dirty bastard help him avoid another injury? Surely it just winds up opponents into having a pop at them?

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Other players were wary regarding going into a challenge with him.

[Colt Seavers]

  On 11/04/2023 at 11:56, LDRover said:

For me he's miles ahead of anything we have technically. Look at the way he takes the ball on his back foot, half turn and moves it forward. He has no issue in receiving the ball when marked and is deceptively strong in possession. I agree his fitness needs working on but, blimey, we have some player on our hands with this lad.

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Totally agree. He reminds me a lot of Simon Barker when he first broke through. If he can score goals like Barker did we might just have something extremely special.