Adam Wharton

[TheRevAshton]

Incredibly bittersweet. So proud of Adam, he's proved us all right and shown the world what we always knew he could do, huge things are on the horizon and i'm absolutely delighted for him.

On the other hand I just can't shake this anger towards the owners and Waggott... Adam wanted to stay at the Club he loves, but was flogged on the cheap at the earliest convenience just to cover the bills for our dodgy negligent owners.

What if JDT was properly backed in January 2023? If he was given funds to sign a good striker, and the O'brien deal wasn't botched... might we have been promoted? Might Adam have been playing for England right now, as a Rovers player? Might Bayern have been looking to offer north of £60m to us and not Palace?

I'll never forgive them for many things, but this one possibly takes the top spot. Get the Venky's, Pasha and that disgusting little rat Waggott out of our Club.

Edited June 4 by TheRevAshton

[Crimpshrine]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Is it possible to feel pride and deep sadness at the same time? I think so.

This is exactly what I feel. Deep sadness and anger.

I can't believe we are selling our best players to Crystal Palace, Brentford and Luton!! Luton were a non league club when Venky's arrived.

I bet Wharton would have loved to play for England while still a Rovers player which would have been perfectly realistic pre Venky's.

 

[den]

43 minutes ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

Glad for him that he got the move as he’d have been a years away from a call up if he’d stuck with us.

The price issue is getting tedious. For a Champ player with no PL experience, a fee of around £22m isn't bad money. Bellingham went for £26m in comparison so should Birmingham be livid they didn’t get £100m? Maybe we could have held out for £25m but we’d get nothing like what he’s worth now whilst we were in the Champ. 

The timing of the move and what happens to the cash are separate questions, and it’s painful to see Palace get recognition for his ascent when he’s hardly played for them. 

Our biggest issue in recent years is that our best players have left for nothing. £22m is our record sale. Doesn’t mean we should be glad he’s gone but he can’t be characterised as being sold for ‘nothing’.

How do you know he wouldn’t have got a call up while he was with us? There’s every chance he would have done IMO. His talent is just so obvious.

Rovers could and should have kept hold of him for as long as possible. His value as a player to us and potential transfer fee down the line we’re to our benefit.

One thing stands out to me. No one at the club knew how good he is. They  were more than happy to sell him immediately. 

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, riverholmes said:

If I am not mistaken, just over 12 months ago, he was behind Tyler Morton in the pecking order. 

I think what Palace have picked up on is that currently, at least, he is not a defensive midfielder. He plays as a metronome but needs energetic midfielders around him who’ll do a big share of the dirty work.

 

Metronome? What the hell is that.

His running stats at Rovers were among the best in the club and he was recorded as the second fastest ever sprinter in the Academy. I've read a few of your posts were you pick up on what you consider his weaknesses but nobody else sees them least of all too managers and coaches. If course he can improve but he's 20.

[islander200]

7 minutes ago, den said:

How do you know he wouldn’t have got a call up while he was with us? There’s every chance he would have done IMO. His talent is just so obvious.

Rovers could and should have kept hold of him for as long as possible. His value as a player to us and potential transfer fee down the line we’re to our benefit.

One thing stands out to me. No one at the club knew how good he is. They  were more than happy to sell him immediately. 

His talent was obvious correct, but still only Crystal palace paid the bargain price he was available for in January.

There was obviously doubts about him for whatever reason from other premier league clubs, Iv seen the argument about other clubs being restricted due to ffp but that was one or two clubs, the rest would have had no issue putting £6 million as Wharton's first installment on this year's books

 

He would not have got a call up whilst playing for Venky owned Championship Blackburn Rovers,the players playing alongside him getting worse and worse with our pathetic transfer business 

 

[RoverDom]

No one thinks we should be getting 60m plus for him whilst being in the championship but an 18m initial fee is insulting. We should have been getting north of 20 and closer to 25 on initial fee with some meaty add ons

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Metronome? What the hell is that.

His running stats at Rovers were among the best in the club and he was recorded as the second fastest ever sprinter in the Academy. I've read a few of your posts were you pick up on what you consider his weaknesses but nobody else sees them least of all too managers and coaches. If course he can improve but he's 20.

But any club in the premier league,with the exception of one or two could have made an offer for him in January and they didn't .

I don't agree with it as from day one his talent was obvious but there has to have been doubts over him by recruitment teams in the premier league, or we would have received much more interest in January when it became obvious how little h it would take to buy him 

[den]

Just now, islander200 said:

His talent was obvious correct, but still only Crystal palace paid the bargain price he was available for in January.

There was obviously doubts about him for whatever reason from other premier league clubs, Iv seen the argument about other clubs being restricted due to ffp but that was one or two clubs, the rest would have had no issue putting £6 million as Wharton's first installment on this year's books

What? We sold to the first bidder so that means nobody else rated him good enough?

[J*B]

Just now, islander200 said:

But any club in the premier league,with the exception of one or two could have made an offer for him in January and they didn't .

I don't agree with it as from day one his talent was obvious but there has to have been doubts over him by recruitment teams in the premier league, or we would have received much more interest in January when it became obvious how little h it would take to buy him 

Palace got him cheap because many of the top clubs have FFP issues in Jan. Would have got more for him in summer, but also we'd have gone bankrupt!

[Tugayisgod]

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

His talent was obvious correct, but still only Crystal palace paid the bargain price he was available for in January.

There was obviously doubts about him for whatever reason from other premier league clubs, Iv seen the argument about other clubs being restricted due to ffp but that was one or two clubs, the rest would have had no issue putting £6 million as Wharton's first installment on this year's books

 

He would not have got a call up whilst playing for Venky owned Championship Blackburn Rovers,the players playing alongside him getting worse and worse with our pathetic transfer business 

 

We all knew he was destined for big things but you are right, he wouldn't have got the recognition he has now if he was still with us.

Playing regularly with better players at Palace in the Premier League and now with England, he can be anything he wants.

[islander200]

15 minutes ago, den said:

What? We sold to the first bidder so that means nobody else rated him good enough?

We turned down their first bid .It would have been known he was available.

Facts are nobody else put a bid in matching the offer from Palace.So no .No other team was willing to pay what Palace did in January 

It took a transfer for him to even get the recognition to be called up for England under 21s

Edited June 4 by islander200

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, J*B said:

Palace got him cheap because many of the top clubs have FFP issues in Jan. Would have got more for him in summer, but also we'd have gone bankrupt!

I disagree it was many clubs .

Many clubs in the premier league couldn't put £6 million on this year's books ?

Everton, Newcastle...who else?

Everton wouldn't have been paying more than palace anyway and it's widely reported that Newcastle's recruitment team felt he didn't have the stamina they wanted 

Many clubs could have paid that fee with no ffp concerns 

[arbitro]

19 minutes ago, islander200 said:

But any club in the premier league,with the exception of one or two could have made an offer for him in January and they didn't .

I don't agree with it as from day one his talent was obvious but there has to have been doubts over him by recruitment teams in the premier league, or we would have received much more interest in January when it became obvious how little h it would take to buy him 

He wasn't for sale and there was no intention of selling him in January. The Indian court decision changed all that which is why everything happened so quickly close to the deadline. Parrish played a blinder and simply took advantage of our desperate and instant need for money.The way it happened was one of the pre cursors to Tomasson leaving. There was a feeling at Ewood that he would be loaned back for the rest of the season by Palace but they knew he would hit the ground running and immediately improve them.

[roverblue]

It was a panic sale. The form he has showed since just makes it even harder to stomach and highlights how Waggot got his pants pulled down with the fee. Lets hope someone in Venkyland is taking note of it and sacks him.

[islander200]

1 minute ago, arbitro said:

He wasn't for sale and there was no intention of selling him in January. The Indian court decision changed all that which is why everything happened so quickly close to the deadline. Parrish played a blinder and simply took advantage of our desperate and instant need for money.The way it happened was one of the pre cursors to Tomasson leaving. There was a feeling at Ewood that he would be loaned back for the rest of the season by Palace but they knew he would hit the ground running and immediately improve them.

We turned down there first bid, I know you were told different but it was being reported by everyone, JDT commented on it, Broughton mentioned the same on the podcast.

Again he hadnt even received an England under 21 call up while here so I think it is fair to believe that his talent wasn't being recognised elsewhere 

 

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

We turned down there first bid, I know you were told different but it was being reported by everyone, JDT commented on it, Broughton mentioned the same on the podcast.

Again he hadnt even received an England under 21 call up while here so I think it is fair to believe that his talent wasn't being recognised elsewhere 

 

It was recognised elsewhere. After his debut at Blackpool the number of clubs represented at Rovers games increased dramatically with many sending their DOF's to watch him, a trend that continued up until he was sold. It was only a matter of time before he went and I think everyone accepts that. What really irks me are the circumstances in which he was sold which is down to the owners nefarious business dealings. That is unforgivable.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Didn’t I read somewhere that every Premier league club had made enquiries about him at some time apart from the dingles ? Even the dogs in the street could see he was going to be a special player.

[Miller11]

We are also hampered by the ridiculous current state of the player identification and recruitment industry. We were frequently told that everyone was aware of Wharton, which I believe this was true, but opinion was based largely on a set of data, and as such he had a fairly arbitrary value attached to him that was met by Palace.

I have it on good authority that bigger clubs were concerned about his lack of physicality. They also felt they needed more evidence (data) of him playing at a higher level, so again a lower end Prem club was going to be his destination.

There were loads of Rovers fans at the time claiming selling him was a great deal because he was only a player with potential, and “his numbers” didn’t support what those of us who actually watched him properly with our eyes could blatantly see - that he was fast becoming world class. In the immediate aftermath of the sale, anyone who thought we’d had our pants down was in the minority. I was called delusional for suggesting it.

Honestly, I doubt that very much negotiation happens these days at all over permanent transfer fees as players pretty much have a book value determined by people sat in front of a computer screen. By subscribing to this way of working we have little to no chance of unearthing any gems in the transfer market, or getting really good deals for our players.

Hopefully we move away from being so reliant on data, de-prioritise “adding value” to players, and scout with eyes with a priority on improving the first team.

 

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

It was recognised elsewhere. After his debut at Blackpool the number of clubs represented at Rovers games increased dramatically with many sending their DOF's to watch him, a trend that continued up until he was sold. It was only a matter of time before he went and I think everyone accepts that. What really irks me are the circumstances in which he was sold which is down to the owners nefarious business dealings. That is unforgivable.

Not recognised enough to receive an England under 21 call up though ,and even after a prem move it took Manoo being drafted into the seniors for Wharton to get pushed up from the under 20s

The initial post I responded too on this was the suggestion he could have got an England senior call up while playing here in these Venky owned times 

[Moptop1]

And his talent is now there for all to see. Sadly, we had our pants pulled down. No doubt about it.

Just another fuck up by the club, but sadly we had our bills to pay. All caused by the court case and mismanagement by our ‘amazing’ owners.

Thank you once again, Venkys for all you do. We owe you so much.

What bollocks!!!

Expect more shite from them. They haven’t learnt anything during their time of owning us.

The only thing that is consistent with them  is messing up, time and time again. That is always guaranteed.

Edited June 4 by Moptop1

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, Moptop1 said:

And his talent is now there for all to see. Sadly, we had our pants pulled down. No doubt about it.

Just another fuck up by the club, but sadly we had our bills to pay. All caused by the court case and mismanagement by our ‘amazing’ owners.

Thank you once again, Venkys for all you do. We owe you so much.

What bollocks!!!

Expect more shite from them. They haven’t learnt anything during their time of owing us.

The only thing that is consistent with them  is messing up, time and time again. That is always guaranteed.

That’s the one thing can count on with the Chicken Chokers, their unfailing ability to make a bad situation worse.

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Not recognised enough to receive an England under 21 call up though ,and even after a prem move it took Manoo being drafted into the seniors for Wharton to get pushed up from the under 20s

The initial post I responded too on this was the suggestion he could have got an England senior call up while playing here in these Venky owned times 

I think he may have got under 21's selection whilst here but certainly not full squad recognition. The Premier League gave him a platform undoubtedly but nobody will tell me he improved so significantly after 16 games at Palace to justify his selection. He is doing the same things and playing the same way as he did here. The talent has always been there, evident since he was a kid. He has risen to the challenge of playing with and against better players as many of us knew he would.

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I think he may have got under 21's selection whilst here but certainly not full squad recognition. The Premier League gave him a platform undoubtedly but nobody will tell me he improved so significantly after 16 games at Palace to justify his selection. He is doing the same things and playing the same way as he did here. The talent has always been there, evident since he was a kid. He has risen to the challenge of playing with and against better players as many of us knew he would.

Agree with the England under 21 bit but it was always going to take a move and him playing with better quality players for him to be truly recognised, different story if Venkys would have paid to bring in better quality around him but the players around him were only getting worse 

[wilsdenrover]

3 hours ago, 47er said:

Is it possible to feel pride and deep sadness at the same time? I think so.

A bittersweet moment for sure.

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Metronome? What the hell is that.

His running stats at Rovers were among the best in the club and he was recorded as the second fastest ever sprinter in the Academy. I've read a few of your posts were you pick up on what you consider his weaknesses but nobody else sees them least of all too managers and coaches. If course he can improve but he's 20.

A city based dwarf?