v Luton Town (h) - 1/5/23

[wilsdenrover]

16 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Why do with 3 passes in passages of play when you can do it with 6 seems to be Rovers current way in the final third and its been a hinderence.

Luton yesterday plonked a big lad up top second half to occupy our lads because he was the outlet when we were pressing.  

Really simple but effective stuff.

 

From what I read on here it’s more a case of ‘why do something with three passes when we can do nothing with six’

[jim mk2]

9 minutes ago, J*B said:

Won't be able to afford Arma, he'll be on big wages now (even with a relegation clause) and he's more valuable than ever to Southampton now.

I'm not sure why he's so valuable to Southampton when he's clearly failed there- 3 goals in 50 games for them

Promoted Ipswich Town are eyeing him

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/adam-armstrong-transfer-summer-saints-8348853

 

[bluebruce]

33 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Unlike BBD he can also operate as winger/wide forward and up the middle and be effective with his pace.

More importantly the lad shoots !

Sadly it's almost the only thing he does, shooting almost constantly. I'd prefer a happy medium between that and our current approach.

[bluebruce]

21 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I'm not sure why he's so valuable to Southampton when he's clearly failed there- 3 goals in 50 games for them

Promoted Ipswich Town are eyeing him

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/adam-armstrong-transfer-summer-saints-8348853

 

Because he has shown he can score a bucket load at this level. His failing at a higher level will no longer really matter. Unless it's destroyed his confidence.

I'd be shocked if Ipswich can afford him.

Edited May 2, 2023 by bluebruce

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

56 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Hedges has about one good game in 5 - played well in the 2nd half against Preston (albeit his mess-up led to the late equaliser), gets a start last night and had a shocker.  His finishing is poor too - he missed another sitter at Leicester. Squad player at best. 

Thomas and Hedges are similar. Crap when starting a game, OK for 30 minutes off the bench.

[Cuppliance]

46 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Armstrong is going to be back in the Championship next season with Soton, he won't get a move to another PL club and Saints will probably looking to let him go as he's hardly set the world on fire there and restructure and rebuild after relegation - who wouldn't be averse to him coming back to Ewood? 

What I found frustrating following the Armstrong sale was that we started to play counter football compared to the possession football when we had him. Imagine how useful Armstrong would have been in the season after he left. The lad could run!

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think we have improve on last season and I just based that on the same things as you but what I see watching every game not just basing it stats

I don't think we have regressed this season and now we need to make the right signings this summer and I would like them done early part of the summer 

Surely the most important thing is results/the league table. And we haven't improved. Nor do I think your seat faces the pitch if you have found us entertaining this season!

We have regressed as the season has come to its conclusion as we did last year. Apparently 5 wins in 20 v 5 wins in 20. We have got worse as the season has gone on, hence 0 wins in 8.

We had a style last season, counter attacking and using a back 3. Having a style doesn't make it automatically progression.

[ElTwis]

Two points, both unconnected with the game yesterday:

 

1. Absolutely agree re sponsor, my young kids have started pointing out any time they see a Totally Wicked store/ad which I understand is the whole point but the club really need to consider the morals around what this encouraging in kids 

 

2. "Kim Jong SteB" is honestly the funniest thing I've ever seen on this site

 

 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode on:

They did last summer AND they were allegedly prepared to pay a King's ransom in wages to bring in O Brien until any incoming January business was sabotaged either by negligence or deliberately.

All that said I'd be a lot more convinced by their intentions if they potted Waggott and Broughton and appointed a competent CEO and an actual experienced DOF should they decide to continue with that model.

 

How can you still defend them if you think that we have staff who potentially purposely sabotaged transfers and they still haven't bothered to sack them? 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

Armstrong is going to be back in the Championship next season with Soton, he won't get a move to another PL club and Saints will probably looking to let him go as he's hardly set the world on fire there and restructure and rebuild after relegation - who wouldn't be averse to him coming back to Ewood? 

Given the wage differential, I suspect Adam Armstrong would be averse.

[roverblue]

We have the makings of a decent squad all the way up until the attacking players as performances and results have shown this season.

Unfortunately its the most expensive and tricky place to find players which gives me no hope that the club will find anyone decent over the summer.

Brereton, Dolan and Hedges occupied the 3 attacking spots last night. All 3 need to be replaced with first choice quality signings for us to do anything more than we have this season.

The best bet is probably the loan market but to get anyone good they need to have those deals warmed up and ready to go now for the window opening.

If we arent going to invest then they should just let JDT leave as another season of this tripe will finish me off as a season ticket holder. The current squad has been painful to watch operate his style and given me very little to cheer for at ewood all season.

 

[Sweaty Gussets]

What was clear from the opening 45 minutes yesterday is that even the best teams in the league can't cope with us when we pass the ball quickly. Our movement is excellent and drags the opposition where they don't wat to go. 

We also smothered Luton when they had the ball, which resulted in them giving us the ball back. As Mark Robins also said about us, we are the best pressing team in the league.

If only we had presence in the opposition's box.

I wasn't keen on JDT before Christmas, I though the football sterile. But we've made huge advances since then. 

JDT leaving would be a disaster. 

[wilsdenrover]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Surely the most important thing is results/the league table. And we haven't improved. Nor do I think your seat faces the pitch  if you have found us entertaining this season!

We have regressed as the season has come to its conclusion as we did last year. Apparently 5 wins in 20 v 5 wins in 20. We have got worse as the season has gone on, hence 0 wins in 8.

We had a style last season, counter attacking and using a back 3. Having a style doesn't make it automatically progression.

[Penwortham Blue]

42 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Because he has shown he can score a bucket load at this level. His failing at a higher level will no longer really matter. Unless it's destroyed his confidence.

I'd be shocked if Ipswich can afford him.

They are on the up, look at their crowds. ST’s capped at 21,000 for next season and all sold, they could have sold total capacity of the ground on ST basis.

[Sweaty Gussets]

27 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We have regressed as the season has come to its conclusion as we did last year.

Results have, performances haven't.

We are playing far better than we were early season, it's just that the team, and BBD in particular, have stopped scoring. Just like BBD, and the team, did last season. And guess what, we still have the same personnel.

That is Mowbray's legacy.

[Sweaty Gussets]

44 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Because he has shown he can score a bucket load at this level. His failing at a higher level will no longer really matter. Unless it's destroyed his confidence.

I'd be shocked if Ipswich can afford him.

“Should Ipswich get promotion we know they're going to spend big; we know they've got the resources to do that," Palmer told Football League World.

 

Not well up on ITFC, but they must have some serious investors. 

[RoversTilliDie]

I enjoyed it at Ewood yesterday (the result could have been better) a big bank holiday crowd and a happy atmosphere. Heres to Rovers promotion next season.

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Results have, performances haven't.

We are playing far better than we were early season, it's just that the team, and BBD in particular, have stopped scoring. Just like BBD, and the team, did last season. And guess what, we still have the same personnel.

That is Mowbray's legacy.

*Venkys legacy. And will only get worse now they have allowed another asset to leave for free and seemingly another summer of scrounging awaits.

Im not convinced we are playing much if at all better recently. We havent been creating many chances or looking threatening very often.

[wilsdenrover]

4 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

“Should Ipswich get promotion we know they're going to spend big; we know they've got the resources to do that," Palmer told Football League World.

 

Not well up on ITFC, but they must have some serious investors. 

Carlton Palmer commenting on an Alan Nixon story - what more could we want 😀

[DE.]

4 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

“Should Ipswich get promotion we know they're going to spend big; we know they've got the resources to do that," Palmer told Football League World.

 

Not well up on ITFC, but they must have some serious investors. 

US pension fund. Whilst they've spent a decent amount in League 1 relative to the rest of the division, you're comparing to a pretty low average. I doubt they spent more than we did during our L1 season when taking wages into account as well. 

Not sure where the idea comes from that Town will spend big. McKenna has been saying the opposite - consolidate first, build slowly, start challenging the top six in a couple of seasons. 

[bluebruce]

15 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

 

I wasn't keen on JDT before Christmas, I though the football sterile. But we've made huge advances since then. 

The irony and problem is, whilst we may well look like we've made huge advances on the pitch as we look more cohesive and like we can cause problems, we've actually regressed hugely in terms of the results since Christmas. I worry this may indicate JDT's chosen style doesn't actually work for us. Although it may indeed be primarily down to the lack of appropriate personnel in the box. Same personnel we had when we were 2nd in the league though.

[wilsdenrover]

3 minutes ago, DE. said:

US pension fund. Whilst they've spent a decent amount in League 1 relative to the rest of the division, you're comparing to a pretty low average. I doubt they spent more than we did during our L1 season when taking wages into account as well. 

Not sure where the idea comes from that Town will spend big. McKenna has been saying the opposite - consolidate first, build slowly, start challenging the top six in a couple of seasons. 

Sounds like a project…

Edited May 2, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[ruggles1995]

Can we get this trending in time for Millwall - 

Hayden Carter number 9, up top. 

Take a leaf out of Big Sams book and play someone with presence up their. Hes shown more in the box than anyone else with 1 header. 

Thomas Dack Szmodics

          Carter 

Get it in the final 3rd, play off him. 

[bluebruce]

12 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

They are on the up, look at their crowds. ST’s capped at 21,000 for next season and all sold, they could have sold total capacity of the ground on ST basis.

Their tickets appear to be cheaper than ours (listen and learn Waggott). They'll have more season ticket income than us for sure but I hardly think that's enough to make them big hitters financially in this league. Ticket income isn't enough to make a huge difference at this level unless you're selling epic numbers at a fairly high price, like only a few teams here do.

10 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

“Should Ipswich get promotion we know they're going to spend big; we know they've got the resources to do that," Palmer told Football League World.

 

Not well up on ITFC, but they must have some serious investors. 

I think spending big relative to how they've been spending in League One, and spending big relative to this league, are two different things. Arma is likely to require the latter.

[bluebruce]

3 minutes ago, ruggles1995 said:

Can we get this trending in time for Millwall - 

Hayden Carter number 9, up top. 

Take a leaf out of Big Sams book and play someone with presence up their. Hes shown more in the box than anyone else with 1 header. 

Thomas Dack Szmodics

          Carter 

Get it in the final 3rd, play off him. 

No, we can't and we shouldn't.