Pre season 23/24

[islander200]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Hopefully that will be represented in more points this season which will reduce the amount of discussion about how quickly the ball is being released!

The post mortem discussed by Broughton suggested that all the "metrics" towards the end of the season displayed progression. It did look better on the eye but the lack of points during that period is definitely a concern.

Of course and a striker would help with that ...which JDT has been demanding 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

What a surprise.

Go on, I will bite.

Possession football is further up the pitch, what we do is not that.

This constant playing out from the back is never going to be safe, because we don’t have players technically good enough.

Im all for pressing, but our play generally is depressing because teams know they’ve probably more chance of beating us by letting us have the ball. 
 

All I want to see is a team setup to get the best results. Ours is predominately setup to add value to players first.

Most of the football in the last 12 months has been dull, imo. 

No Possession football is control the ball in all areas and playing with quick tempo. Look at Leicester City away or Sheffield United at home and away in the cup as prime example of playing quality attacking possession football

Yet JDT delivered our best league position finish since relegation without a main number 9 striker scoring 15 goals plus and 2 good cup wins. 

I like us playing possession based football and its the way I would play. 

What style of play would you play with these players then? 

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

No Possession football is control the ball in all areas and playing with quick tempo. Look at Leicester City away or Sheffield United at home and away in the cup as prime example of playing quality attacking possession football

Yet JDT delivered our best league position finish since relegation without a main number 9 striker scoring 15 goals plus and 2 good cup wins. 

I like us playing possession based football and its the way I would play. 

What style of play would you play with these players then? 

Don’t be so patronising. 
 

There are 50+ games to look at. Only a blithering idiot would base their opinions on the two best performances.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No Possession football is control the ball in all areas and playing with quick tempo. Look at Leicester City away or Sheffield United at home and away in the cup as prime example of playing quality attacking possession football

Yet JDT delivered our best league position finish since relegation without a main number 9 striker scoring 15 goals plus and 2 good cup wins. 

I like us playing possession based football and its the way I would play. 

What style of play would you play with these players then? 

But we don’t play with quick tempo enough of the time, that’s the problem. When we do we look ok as when we scored our two goals yesterday. Most of the time we’re taking the ball stood still because the passing isn’t good enough.

[Atko's Engine]

11 minutes ago, JBiz said:

I am looking it as a whole, it was mainly boring and tepid. Some of the games got me off my seat - the Sheff United game in the league and the cup stuff but ultimately;

He got the same amount of points as the much maligned Mowbray. With a style of football that bored me to death. Each to their own.

JDT did as well as the very experienced Mowbray in his first season at this level (compared to TM's 5 seasons with us and 20 odd more at this level elsewhere) with only half a pre season & an exodus of first 11 players to replace.

There were so many missed opportunities last season to get into the playoffs, the margin was that narrow. Hirst's missed penalty, Cov's handballing keeper, Hedges' rush of blood, Hyam's knee, Dingles' 1-shot 1 goal, the obvious handball by whatshisuglyface. They're what stopped us achieving playoffs, not JDT.

JDT did great overall IMO, I am v looking forward to this season. Individual mistakes happen, like A Wharton's crossfield pass straight to Millwall's goalscorer. Cut those out & score more goals, there's no reason we can't go at least 1 better this season.

[MarkBRFC]

3 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Don’t be so patronising. 
 

There are 50+ games to look at. Only a blithering idiot would base their opinions on the two best performances.

 

Won more games last than we have at this level since relegation.

Whilst there was some shockers in there, with what he had available his style must have been doing something right.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Don’t be so patronising. 
 

There are 50+ games to look at. Only a blithering idiot would base their opinions on the two best performances.

 

yet again, no one is patronising so stop over dramatic again 

JDT produced our best league position finish since our relegation from the PL plus 2 very good cup runs in his first season in English football and without 15 goals plus striker 

Also you didn't answer this simple question, What style of play would you play with these players then? 

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

But we don’t play with quick tempo enough of the time, that’s the problem. When we do we look ok as when we scored our two goals yesterday. Most of the time we’re taking the ball stood still because the passing isn’t good enough.

At times last season our tempo was too slow but I kept saying time after time that when we play quick tempo possession based football we look very dangerous and quality. 

Our tempo will get better I think this season

[roversfan99]

You can go through any season and point to what if moments too. The season before, we had Gyokeres scoring a 99th minute equaliser when Nyambe was limping around, Khadra missing a penalty at Sheff Utd and then them scoring a 92nd minute rebound from a corner, Hull postponing a game last minute and winning the replayed fixture, Edun's red card at Peterborough etc.

[JBiz]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

yet again, no one is patronising so stop over dramatic again 

JDT produced our best league position finish since our relegation from the PL plus 2 very good cup runs in his first season in English football and without 15 goals plus striker 

Also you didn't answer this simple question, What style of play would you play with these players then? 

At times last season our tempo was too slow but I kept saying time after time that when we play quick tempo possession based football we look very dangerous and quality. 

Our tempo will get better I think this season

“I’m not patronising but you can’t answer a simple question”… that you’ve already answered.

To repeat myself for the dim witted - I’m not bothered about the style of play, I just preferred it when our tactics primary job where to win, get points.

This setup’s first responsibility is to “add value” and I find it boring in the main. Either deal with it and move on or find someone else to quote.

[MarkBRFC]

Won nearly half of our games with the "add value" system.

I will take that again next season, we just have to try and turn around 6/7 of our defeats into draws

Edited July 9, 2023 by MarkBRFC

[JBiz]

17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Won more games last than we have at this level since relegation.

Whilst there was some shockers in there, with what he had available his style must have been doing something right.

Again, the stat that counts is points / finishing position.

I wouldn’t call last season a success.

[islander200]

3 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Again, the stat that counts is points / finishing position.

I wouldn’t call last season a success.

Jesus you must have been foaming at the mouth when Mowbray was guiding us to 11th and 15th position In the table .

For a first season as manager of a team who had lost half their starting 11 it was a bloody good start anyway

.

[JBiz]

21 minutes ago, Atko's Engine said:

JDT did as well as the very experienced Mowbray in his first season at this level (compared to TM's 5 seasons with us and 20 odd more at this level elsewhere) with only half a pre season & an exodus of first 11 players to replace.

There were so many missed opportunities last season to get into the playoffs, the margin was that narrow. Hirst's missed penalty, Cov's handballing keeper, Hedges' rush of blood, Hyam's knee, Dingles' 1-shot 1 goal, the obvious handball by whatshisuglyface. They're what stopped us achieving playoffs, not JDT.

JDT did great overall IMO, I am v looking forward to this season. Individual mistakes happen, like A Wharton's crossfield pass straight to Millwall's goalscorer. Cut those out & score more goals, there's no reason we can't go at least 1 better this season.

I’m just saying that I find it boring. 
 

I appreciate that overall the job was a decent one. I’m just saying that this specific style of football is hard to watch.

Over a season though - those things work out. There are a few complete no shows, that made just as much as an impact on our finishing position - simply listing all the unlucky things, forgets about times when we looked completely out of our depth.

I agree we could improve this season but I guarantee that the patience won’t last if we don’t. 

[SBlue]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

Islander - just look at the very last competitive game we played. We had to come back from a deficit caused by our ridiculously bad decision making with the ball in our own half.

All caused by playing out from the back. 

Was it? 
 

I remember not dealing with a long throw, not defending a hoof forward, and a loose pass from midfield.

[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, JBiz said:

“I’m not patronising but you can’t answer a simple question”… that you’ve already answered.

Always willing to answer any questions thanks. Send me a DM with any and I will answer them thanks

13 minutes ago, JBiz said:

To repeat myself for the dim witted - I’m not bothered about the style of play, I just preferred it when our tactics primary job where to win, get points.

You not bothered about our style of play but then complains about us being possession based team under JDT. We finished in our highest league position since our relegation from the PL. 

13 minutes ago, JBiz said:

This setup’s first responsibility is to “add value” and I find it boring in the main. Either deal with it and move on or find someone else to quote.

No the first responsibility of JDT and GB is to get us promotion and make us a sustainable Premier League football club in the future. 

 

3 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Again, the stat that counts is points / finishing position.

I wouldn’t call last season a success.

I would call a success in JDT first season in England and beat a number of previous managers like Bowyer, Mowbray, Coyle and Lambert. 

 

[JBiz]

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Jesus you must have been foaming at the mouth when Mowbray was guiding us to 11th and 15th position In the table .

For a first season as manager of a team who had lost half their starting 11 it was a bloody good start anyway

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No I wasn’t. TM didn’t inherit a team challenging for the playoffs previously. Besides this is not just about the result being the same (points / position / lack of playoffs)

Im talking about the style, I find it boring. Over a full season on average.

Maybe JDT can improve that this season and the results. I’m not convinced

[MarkBRFC]

14 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Again, the stat that counts is points / finishing position.

I wouldn’t call last season a success.

I actually agree, it wasn't a success.

But it was bloody better than all the ones that have come before it at this level over the past 10 years.

[Mattyblue]

I know what you are saying Bizzle, when the early run towards the top fizzled out it was pretty tedious either side of the World Cup, but I thought it all started to come together later on, getting the ball forward quicker etc - just no bloody striker.

I personally think we’ll see his team playing his way next season so I’m intrigued to see how we go.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Mattyblue

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, JBiz said:

No I wasn’t. TM didn’t inherit a team challenging for the playoffs previously. Besides this is not just about the result being the same (points / position / lack of playoffs)

Im talking about the style, I find it boring. Over a full season on average.

Maybe JDT can improve that this season and the results. I’m not convinced

JDT didn't either or did you miss the 5 players that had departed who were regulars in the first 11 

And JDT got just as many points as Mowbray did like you said earlier 

Edited July 9, 2023 by islander200

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

I actually agree, it wasn't a success.

But it was bloody better than all the ones that have come before it at this level over the past 10 years.

Exactly the same points total as 21/22

[MarkBRFC]

1 minute ago, JBiz said:

Exactly the same points total as 21/22

After 1 season, Coming into the building late and losing 11 players from the previous season.

The style you are critical of matched the previous blokes best points/position in 1 year. Imagine what he could do in 5.

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Exactly the same points total as 21/22

JDT walked into a club who had lost both their first choice centre halves including the club captain.First choice Right back gone.Best midfielder gone and Khadra had also departed.That is nearly half a team.

[JBiz]

9 minutes ago, SBlue said:

Was it? 
 

I remember not dealing with a long throw, not defending a hoof forward, and a loose pass from midfield.

Many loose and unnecessary passes + weak as piss unorganised defending against basics = the whole issue I have with JDTs “journey”.

The end. I hope I have to eat these words ASAP.

[MarkBRFC]

2 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Many loose and unnecessary passes + weak as piss unorganised defending against basics = the whole issue I have with JDTs “journey”.

The end. I hope I have to eat these words ASAP.

It's 1 year in, he's not a miracle worker.

Amazing you never had these issues under the last blokes 5 year journey.

Now that was dull.

Edited July 9, 2023 by MarkBRFC

[1864roverite]

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

Fittest player out there based on? You don't half talk some twaddle.

Based on me watching the 2 games in full - he ran up and down the pitch all game and gave it all compared to some of the players !

Twaddles was the shite you were told and which you the posted as gospel 😅