sparky12 Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said: A quick straw poll on here…what do folks reckon it costs for the front of shirt sponsorship at Rovers ? [I’ve heard some figures bandied about from good sources which I won’t compromise…just interested to get a wisdom of the crowds feel…] Under Waggot a Sunday Roast and a little tickle would do it I'm sure. In all honesty though i couldn't see TW paying in excess of $150,000. Edited June 20, 2023 by sparky12 Quote
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alex l Posted June 20, 2023 Author Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Herbie6590 said: A quick straw poll on here…what do folks reckon it costs for the front of shirt sponsorship at Rovers ? [I’ve heard some figures bandied about from good sources which I won’t compromise…just interested to get a wisdom of the crowds feel…] I seem to recall Dafabet being said to be potentially 7 figures a season, so I'll go with 500k Quote
Displaced Rover Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 Reckon the Rovers shirt is worth around £500k per season with a competent commercial operation. Suspect we get somewhere in region of £150k-£250k per year on account of being run by a total muppet, who has no interest in pushing the club forward. 3 Quote
Sweaty Gussets Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, sparky12 said: Under Waggot a Sunday Roast and a little tickle would do it I'm sure. In all honesty though i couldn't see TW paying in excess of $150,000. After the roast I'm not sure you'd need the tickle Quote
superniko Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 Couldn't find much online about Championship sponsors, but the average was allegedly about £500k in 2013. I'd be surprised if we're getting more than £300k from TW a season. Quote
Hasta Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) I just think its double standard to eliminate betting companies but then have a vaping company. If you are eliminating one on moral grounds you surely eliminate the other. It never bothered me when we had beer on the front (I drink), or betting companies (I gamble), so even though I don't smoke / vape it shouldn't bother me that Totally Wicked sponsor. As I said, its just the double standards of turning down what I think SW said would have been a better deal from a betting company (before Recoverite) to ultimately now be sponsored by TW. Edited June 20, 2023 by Hasta 6 Quote
Tricky Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Polky said: Thoughts? state of those tats 1 Quote
Riverside under the drip Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 What I find absolutely incredible is that literally anyone would buy training shirts for £36. I mean, seriously! I'd probably get one for a tenner but no more than that. £20 and many people would I'm sure. £36?! There are many who wouldn't buy the actual kit for that! "A fool and their money are soon parted." Quote
Upside Down Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 If we're talking in the hundreds of thousands then that shows that these companies are making far more money than they would be doing if these things were simply an aid to stop smoking. I don't think it's more than 200k. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Herbie6590 said: A quick straw poll on here…what do folks reckon it costs for the front of shirt sponsorship at Rovers ? [I’ve heard some figures bandied about from good sources which I won’t compromise…just interested to get a wisdom of the crowds feel…] 450k Quote
Ben-2000 Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 The baffling thing is... they said they didn't want betting sponsors before Dafabet, then got Dafabet! Can only thing the offer back then was too good to refuse and their morals went out the window. Quote
Guest Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ben-2000 said: The baffling thing is... they said they didn't want betting sponsors before Dafabet, then got Dafabet! Can only thing the offer back then was too good to refuse and their morals went out the window. Morals are for those who can afford them. Quote
wilsdenrover Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, goozburger said: Morals are for those who can afford them. 3 Quote
perthblue02 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Upside Down said: If we're talking in the hundreds of thousands then that shows that these companies are making far more money than they would be doing if these things were simply an aid to stop smoking. I don't think it's more than 200k. Quite surprising how much money comes in from one of the TW wholly owned subsidiaries which seems to be the main trading one. End of financial year 21/22 41.78 million turnover, operating profit 9.062m , profit after tax 7.58m. Same figures but for 20/21 (33.68/ 7.71/6.14 m) Edited June 21, 2023 by perthblue02 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 9 hours ago, Riverside under the drip said: What I find absolutely incredible is that literally anyone would buy training shirts for £36. I mean, seriously! I'd probably get one for a tenner but no more than that. £20 and many people would I'm sure. £36?! There are many who wouldn't buy the actual kit for that! "A fool and their money are soon parted." You want to see how much NFL jerseys are. I was in Charlotte last year - I walked into the Bank of America club shop thinking they'd perhaps be some deals. They wanted £200+ for a jersey and £80 for a cap. Quote
Herbie6590 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 18 hours ago, sparky12 said: Under Waggot a Sunday Roast and a little tickle would do it I'm sure. In all honesty though i couldn't see TW paying in excess of $150,000. Congratulations…you are the closest…with permission from the source I can reveal that the front of shirt deal is worth £100k apparently. Recoverite signed up for £250k by way of a benchmark but of course never paid up so… So if 10k BRFCS members are each prepared to give us £10 we’ll bid for next season’s shirt deal…😉 7 Quote
Mattyblue Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 £100k?! For a club that’s spent two years knocking on the door of the Premier League, cup runs, a club never off TV?! And I was told it was just ticketing that wasn’t fit for purpose down there… 8 Quote
BigUts Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said: Congratulations…you are the closest…with permission from the source I can reveal that the front of shirt deal is worth £100k apparently. Recoverite signed up for £250k by way of a benchmark but of course never paid up so… So if 10k BRFCS members are each prepared to give us £10 we’ll bid for next season’s shirt deal…😉 What an absolute disgrace. Quote
Upside Down Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Fuck me. I keep saying this but I have zero expectations for venkys and maggot and they continually fall short of those expectations. I'm sure it'll all be because of FFP or some other bullshit. Unbelievable. Quote
alex l Posted June 21, 2023 Author Posted June 21, 2023 If that figure is correct, it's seems really poor (but difficult to fairly judge, without knowing the deals of other clubs in the same league). Found this article from a decade ago, suggesting £500k was the average for the league. With inflation, pandemic and cost of living, god knows what the level should be now. https://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/08/21/revealed-championship-shirt-sales-outstrip-rest-of-big-5-second-tiers-combined-210801/ Quote
Mattyblue Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Like I was saying to you yesterday Alex this club could and should be doing so much better. Just get that lazy time server potted for Christ sake. 1 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said: Congratulations…you are the closest…with permission from the source I can reveal that the front of shirt deal is worth £100k apparently. Recoverite signed up for £250k by way of a benchmark but of course never paid up so… So if 10k BRFCS members are each prepared to give us £10 we’ll bid for next season’s shirt deal…😉 Let’s do it! 😀😁 1 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, alex l said: If that figure is correct, it's seems really poor (but difficult to fairly judge, without knowing the deals of other clubs in the same league). Found this article from a decade ago, suggesting £500k was the average for the league. With inflation, pandemic and cost of living, god knows what the level should be now. https://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/08/21/revealed-championship-shirt-sales-outstrip-rest-of-big-5-second-tiers-combined-210801/ That article is about kit suppliers rather than front of shirt sponsors. Edited June 21, 2023 by wilsdenrover Quote
JHRover Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Waggott is a one trick pony and that applies to his ticketing policies and his sponsorship / commercial performance. Low key, easy, quick, low risk, local, short term The fact that the Totally Wicked deal lapsed, we were allegedly looking for a new sponsor, only to end up going back to Totally Wicked who signed up for a mere 12 month extension, speaks volumes. They'll be familiar to Waggott, in his phone book, based locally and easy to sort out. Even putting aside the morals of having a vaping company adorning our kits and training gear, it reeks to me of take the quickest and easiest option just to box the issue off. Clock ticking, embarrassing if no sponsor, so just revert to the tried and tested. I don't buy for one minute the 'we've done all we can' routine and seriously believe that this is the best deal possible for Rovers I wouldn't even be that bothered about it if we weren't being told every 5 minutes that we are stuck under FFP and need to raise income. So do it then, show us how serious you are about it. Truth is they aren't. 3 Quote
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