Premier League

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, 47er said:

Think where we'd be if we still had them though!

I think Sammie would have us higher.

Do you think Wharton would fit how Eustace has us playing?

Genuine question as I don’t attend.

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not always but in alot of cases. 

I guess in some ways we are its a fair point. 

I just think he has earned more time there 

I wouldn’t disagree with that.

Too many manager’s are let go as soon as they have a ‘blip’ with no thought to what they did before it.

I guess the difficult part is working out when a bad run is more than just a temporary thing.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I think Sammie would have us higher.

Do you think Wharton would fit how Eustace has us playing?

Genuine question as I don’t attend.

He’d have Wharton playing in the Cantwell role, further up the pitch. Travis, Tronstad, Wharton. Best central midfield in the Division.

Edited December 14 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Norbert Rassragr]

O'Neill is probably the next Steve Bruce. OK up to a point, but no top level manager. And definitely not an international manager that can win a trophy. 

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

I wouldn’t disagree with that.

Too many manager’s are let go as soon as they have a ‘blip’ with no thought to what they did before it.

I guess the difficult part is working out when a bad run is more than just a temporary thing.

I agree there. I just think he did a very good job at Bournemouth in his first year and at Wolves did a good job of stabilise them and keeping up

[speeeeeeedie]

6 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

I wouldn’t disagree with that.

Too many manager’s are let go as soon as they have a ‘blip’ with no thought to what they did before it.

I guess the difficult part is working out when a bad run is more than just a temporary thing.

 

Today's result won't help O'Neill. Losing the game off a last minute corner to a fellow struggler. 

I heard yesterday that Lemina was stripped of the captaincy after the West Ham game for trying to fight his own team's assistant manager. After today's game Ait-Nouri had to be restrained from going after Ipswich players. 

All is not good it seems.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Today's result won't help O'Neill. Losing the game off a last minute corner to a fellow struggler. 

I heard yesterday that Lemina was stripped of the captaincy after the West Ham game for trying to fight his own team's assistant manager. After today's game Ait-Nouri had to be restrained from going after Ipswich players. 

All is not good it seems.

Good. Wolves are punching way above their weight and there isn't an English player in sight. Would love to see them relegated. 

[Mattyblue]

In what way are Wolves punching way above their weight?

Poor team currently, but they are obviously far more a top flight club by any metric than half the present league. 

[47er]

9 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

I think Sammie would have us higher.

Do you think Wharton would fit how Eustace has us playing?

Genuine question as I don’t attend.

 With a talent like that you just tell the rest to give him the ball.

Tyrone's said what I was going to.

Edited December 14 by 47er

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Today's result won't help O'Neill. Losing the game off a last minute corner to a fellow struggler. 

I heard yesterday that Lemina was stripped of the captaincy after the West Ham game for trying to fight his own team's assistant manager. After today's game Ait-Nouri had to be restrained from going after Ipswich players. 

All is not good it seems.

Apparently Ipswich's winner was the 20th theyve conceded from a set piece this season.

O'Neil is a very lucky man if he manages their next game.

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Apparently Ipswich's winner was the 20th theyve conceded from a set piece this season.

If that's is true, maybe the fact that losing your best defender and captain is affecting them in that department 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

O'Neil is a very lucky man if he manages their next game.

Why lucky? So given you didn't answer my simple question whether you would sack him or not, or who you would pick as replacement.

I've said and been clear I would back him given his 2 previous seasons and experiences he has. Back him in January with centre back, centre midfielder and quality winger. They can score goals for sure

[roversfan99]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

If that's is true, maybe the fact that losing your best defender and captain is affecting them in that department 

Why lucky? So given you didn't answer my simple question whether you would sack him or not, or who you would pick as replacement.

I've said and been clear I would back him given his 2 previous seasons and experiences he has. Back him in January with centre back, centre midfielder and quality winger. They can score goals for sure

Ive no idea who would replace him, why would I.

That squad should not be on 9 points from 16 games, with a run that includes a home loss to Ipswich, a 4 nil thrashing to Everton, a home battering to Bournemouth including 3 penalty concessions through trying to pass it out and a loss to out of form West Ham.

They have conceded 20 goals in 16 from set plays and in the last 2 games have seen 2 seperate players totally lose their head and their discipline which isnt symptom of a together camp. They appear destined for relegation so I dont see why youd double down and back him.

[Ossydave]

23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

They appear destined for relegation so I dont see why youd double down and back him.

Probably just gives him something to bicker about with you....I don't think anyone else bar Chaddy would be surprised if he gets the boot.

[Mattyblue]

Not his club so easy to come out with platitudes about him having ‘earned more time’. I imagine the Wolves fans will have a slightly different view with their seven years of PL status now hanging by a thread.

Edited December 15 by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That squad should not be on 9 points from 16 games, with a run that includes a home loss to Ipswich, a 4 nil thrashing to Everton, a home battering to Bournemouth including 3 penalty concessions through trying to pass it out and a loss to out of form West Ham.

the squad has lost Kilman and Neto which is massively lost and not replace Kilman at all which is leading to lack of leadership there, something they need to address there in January by signing a quality centre back. 

Also I wouldn't have sold Podence or loan out Ki-Jana Hoever but both would have been part of my squad. They need a couple of signings of experience and quality in January and if I was Gary O'Neil I would be trying to get Ward-Prowse on loan cos he ain't playing at Forest. 

West Ham similar have appointed a new head coach with load of new signings, give them chance to settle in and I'm sure they will stay up

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

They have conceded 20 goals in 16 from set plays

including Penalties yes, correct

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

and in the last 2 games have seen 2 seperate players totally lose their head and their discipline which isnt symptom of a together camp.

Yes some players are losing their heads but Cunha reaction yesterday was unacceptable and I'm sure the FA will ban him for 3 games

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

They appear destined for relegation so I dont see why youd double down and back him.

Ive no idea who would replace him, why would I.

Like I explained, I think Gary O'Neil has done a very good job at Bournemouth keeping them up and replacing Parker, Harshly sacked there but its normal for a new owner to want their own man in the dugout. O'Neil got the Wolves job just before the first game of the PL season and he did a good job again keeping them up. So for me, He has credit in the bank and Wolves should back him with 3 or 4 quality signings in January which they need even if they sack him(which I wouldn't do just to be totally clear). 

 

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

Probably just gives him something to bicker about with you....I don't think anyone else bar Chaddy would be surprised if he gets the boot.

Its about discussing footballing issues and not bicker but discussing and debating opinions on our views. 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Taxi for O’Neil at Wolves.

[Old Codger]

Does anyone think Wolves might come knocking for Eustace, now they've potted O'Neill?

[jim mk2]

2 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

Does anyone think Wolves might come knocking for Eustace, now they've potted O'Neill?

No. they'd be barmy owing to his lack of PL experience and I'm sure Wolves fans would be totally underwhelmed. John who? And if they did I'd welcome O'Neil at Ewood. He was treated badly by Bournemouth and his teams play good, attacking football. 

[DE.]

They obviously needed to remove O'Neil, the recent indiscipline suggests he'd totally lost control of the dressing room and their calender year performance has been awful. Backing him would have been the equivalent of accepting relegation at this point.

Moyes would probably be their best bet of pulling themselves out of danger. Apparently OGS is the favourite in the betting, and he was at the Ipswich game... so either 2+2 being out together and getting 5, or the board were already planning to pull the trigger on O'Neil. Would be very classless to have the replacement manager there with the current manager in situ, but nothing would surprise me. 

If it is OGS, I'm not sure that would end well. No track record of being able to fix the kind of situation Wolves are in. 

[Forever Blue]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

the squad has lost Kilman and Neto which is massively lost and not replace Kilman at all which is leading to lack of leadership there, something they need to address there in January by signing a quality centre back. 

Also I wouldn't have sold Podence or loan out Ki-Jana Hoever but both would have been part of my squad. They need a couple of signings of experience and quality in January and if I was Gary O'Neil I would be trying to get Ward-Prowse on loan cos he ain't playing at Forest. 

West Ham similar have appointed a new head coach with load of new signings, give them chance to settle in and I'm sure they will stay up

including Penalties yes, correct

Yes some players are losing their heads but Cunha reaction yesterday was unacceptable and I'm sure the FA will ban him for 3 games

Like I explained, I think Gary O'Neil has done a very good job at Bournemouth keeping them up and replacing Parker, Harshly sacked there but its normal for a new owner to want their own man in the dugout. O'Neil got the Wolves job just before the first game of the PL season and he did a good job again keeping them up. So for me, He has credit in the bank and Wolves should back him with 3 or 4 quality signings in January which they need even if they sack him(which I wouldn't do just to be totally clear). 

 

Do you now think they were right to sack him?😉

[Forever Blue]

Wolves will be wary of appointing another novice. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, DE. said:

They obviously needed to remove O'Neil, the recent indiscipline suggests he'd totally lost control of the dressing room and their calender year performance has been awful. Backing him would have been the equivalent of accepting relegation at this point.

Moyes would probably be their best bet of pulling themselves out of danger. Apparently OGS is the favourite in the betting, and he was at the Ipswich game... so either 2+2 being out together and getting 5, or the board were already planning to pull the trigger on O'Neil. Would be very classless to have the replacement manager there with the current manager in situ, but nothing would surprise me. 

If it is OGS, I'm not sure that would end well. No track record of being able to fix the kind of situation Wolves are in. 

Moyes (and Potter) are reported not to be interested in the job because they don't like the "structure" at the club which I assume means they don't have sufficient control over recruitment.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

OGS ? Whatever next. Football is mad. Jonathan Wilson has a good article in today’s “ Sunday Observer “ about the goings on at United. The guys buying into clubs these days have more money than sense.

[DE.]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Moyes (and Potter) are reported not to be interested in the job because they don't like the "structure" at the club which I assume means they don't have sufficient control over recruitment.

Moyes has worked at some wonky clubs structure wise so I'm sure he could handle it, but he might be at a point where he doesn't want to deal with that nonsense anymore. I'd imagine he doesn't have to work if he doesn't want to. If Wolves are serious about wanting to stay up, though, then they'd do what's needed to get him in. 

Not too many candidates out there otherwise who I look at and think yeah, that would give them a proper chance. You never know though. Sometimes it clicks unexpectedly for certain managers and clubs. 

Really hoping Russell Martin keeps his job if he survives the season to relegate Southampton. They'll be much less of a threat in the Championship if he's still at the helm.