Premier League

[chaddyrovers]

47 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

It's all about recruitment.

Mourinho told everyone years ago that the likes of Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford, etc weren't fit to wear the shirt. 

Compare to proper players like Bruce, Ince, Strachan, Robson, Hughes, or Vidic, Berg, Keane, Scholes, Cantona, etc. 

Some of the latest players they have sourced for massive money is ridiculous.

Buy badly, buy twice. It takes years and years to recover if you get it wrong.

United have been a mess for years and it comes from not having a proper structure in place and Rangnick told them 3 years what the club was lacking and needed to do. He slammed the recruitment department for their signings. Rangnick should have been made Director of Football at United and he would have sorted them out cos he is vastly experience, great knowledge of football. Sadly for them, United miss that opportunity

Ratcliffe has come in and just cut and cut jobs at the club, Ashworth didn't stay long. A mess over Ten Hag staying or going, signings that didn't make sense, Appointing a new head coach with a very different way of playing that will need significant investments and host of signings. I wouldn't be surprise in the next 12 months Amorim walk away from the club over the lack of funds or signings.  

[onlyonejackwalker]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

United have been a mess for years and it comes from not having a proper structure in place and Rangnick told them 3 years what the club was lacking and needed to do. He slammed the recruitment department for their signings. Rangnick should have been made Director of Football at United and he would have sorted them out cos he is vastly experience, great knowledge of football. Sadly for them, United miss that opportunity

Ratcliffe has come in and just cut and cut jobs at the club, Ashworth didn't stay long. A mess over Ten Hag staying or going, signings that didn't make sense, Appointing a new head coach with a very different way of playing that will need significant investments and host of signings. I wouldn't be surprise in the next 12 months Amorim walk away from the club over the lack of funds or signings.  

You keep posting about the club lacking a 'structure' in relation to Man United. But then claim one man in Rangnick could have solved all their woes. 

Truth be told United managed fine under two people in Edwards and Ferguson. Supported by a decent scouting network. We did well for the most under John Williams as long as our manager was first rate. Tiered levels of management are irrelevant when compared to top quality decision makers / operators.

Not that i care, but in my opinion Amorim is yet another very poor appointment. Its already going tits up and he looks very lonely to me.

Simone is the current stand out international candidate in my view, but the retards at United would rather have Ole at the wheel. Its disgusting that their players behave like they are bigger than the club and someone needs to out a stop to it.

Lets hope Liverpool spank them tomorrow. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

You keep posting about the club lacking a 'structure' in relation to Man United. But then claim one man in Rangnick could have solved all their woes. 

Truth be told United managed fine under two people in Edwards and Ferguson. Supported by a decent scouting network. We did well for the most under John Williams as long as our manager was first rate. Tiered levels of management are irrelevant when compared to top quality decision makers / operators.

Not that i care, but in my opinion Amorim is yet another very poor appointment. Its already going tits up and he looks very lonely to me.

Simone is the current stand out international candidate in my view, but the retards at United would rather have Ole at the wheel. Its disgusting that their players behave like they are bigger than the club and someone needs to out a stop to it.

Lets hope Liverpool spank them tomorrow. 

Simone is too smart to go there.

[chaddyrovers]

39 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

You keep posting about the club lacking a 'structure' in relation to Man United. But then claim one man in Rangnick could have solved all their woes. 

Truth be told United managed fine under two people in Edwards and Ferguson. Supported by a decent scouting network. We did well for the most under John Williams as long as our manager was first rate. Tiered levels of management are irrelevant when compared to top quality decision makers / operators.

The problem is that sort of structure is out dated. 

United's scouting network is poor as Rangnick said when he was there and if you look over the last 5 years, our many players have actually improve and become a better player. 

I look at someone like Sancho who should be key player at United but its never worked out. Who gives a 5 years contract to Casemiro or buy Anthony for the amount they did. 

I think if you had Rangnick as Sporting Director with Ten Hag as head coach things would have gone better, But I also thought they should have appointed Pochettino there not Ten Hag. Rangnick also recommend players like Enzo Fernandes, Luis Diaz, Morata and  Dušan Vlahović

39 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Not that i care, but in my opinion Amorim is yet another very poor appointment. Its already going tits up and he looks very lonely to me.

Amorim needs to time to sort the mess that has happened there . You have brought in a head coach with a different philosophy  tactics, and Formation now. He needs signings there and players out he doesn't want

39 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Simone is the current stand out international candidate in my view, but the retards at United would rather have Ole at the wheel. Its disgusting that their players behave like they are bigger than the club and someone needs to out a stop to it.

Lets hope Liverpool spank them tomorrow. 

Simone won't leave his current club. 

in the summer, if I was in charge of picking United next boss I would have for Villa's Unai Emery or German manager Julian Nagelsmann or Brentford;s Thomas Frank

Edited Friday at 20:05 by chaddyrovers

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

The problem is that sort of structure is out dated. 

United's scouting network is poor as Rangnick said when he was there and if you look over the last 5 years, our many players have actually improve and become a better player. 

I look at someone like Sancho who should be key player at United but its never worked out. Who gives a 5 years contract to Casemiro or buy Anthony for the amount they did. 

I think if you had Rangnick as Sporting Director with Ten Hag as head coach things would have gone better, But I also thought they should have appointed Pochettino there not Ten Hag. Rangnick also recommend players like Enzo Fernandes, Luis Diaz, Morata and  Dušan Vlahović

Amorim needs to time to sort the mess that has happened there . You have brought in a head coach with a different philosophy  tactics, and Formation now. He needs signings there and players out he doesn't want

Simone won't leave his current club. 

in the summer, if I was in charge of picking United next boss I would have for Villa's Unai Emery or German manager Julian Nagelsmann or Brentford;s Thomas Frank

Wtf would emery leave a well run Club like villa to go to united. Why would nagelsmann leave the Germany job with a talented generation to manage a ramshackle outfit? Thomas Frank is a possibility 

Edited Friday at 21:05 by roverandout

[onlyonejackwalker]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The problem is that sort of structure is out dated. 

United's scouting network is poor as Rangnick said when he was there and if you look over the last 5 years, our many players have actually improve and become a better player. 

I look at someone like Sancho who should be key player at United but its never worked out. Who gives a 5 years contract to Casemiro or buy Anthony for the amount they did. 

I think if you had Rangnick as Sporting Director with Ten Hag as head coach things would have gone better, But I also thought they should have appointed Pochettino there not Ten Hag. Rangnick also recommend players like Enzo Fernandes, Luis Diaz, Morata and  Dušan Vlahović

Amorim needs to time to sort the mess that has happened there . You have brought in a head coach with a different philosophy  tactics, and Formation now. He needs signings there and players out he doesn't want

Simone won't leave his current club. 

in the summer, if I was in charge of picking United next boss I would have for Villa's Unai Emery or German manager Julian Nagelsmann or Brentford;s Thomas Frank

You've just confidently stated that the old model of two key decision makers is out dated. 

Then confidently stated that Rangnick and Ten Haag could have been a lasting solution to Man United.

You should think before you post. 

Edited Saturday at 06:15 by onlyonejackwalker

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

You've just confidently stated that the old model of two key decision makers is out dated. 

Then confidently stated that Rangnick and Ten Haag could have been a lasting solution to Man United.

You should think before you post. 

You overlooked that they would be chief scout with a team of scouts and data analysis. 

United's biggest problem is the players they signed and the amount of money they spent on players. Lack of direction and someone saying no to signings like Casemiro and Anthony. No one at United did. The CEO at club shouldn't get involved in choosing players to sign but Woodward did. Do you think Williams during his time as Rovers CEO told Hughes or Ince who to sign. 

I think Rangnick during his interview when he said United needs heart surgery and that was 3 years ago. It's still right now. The recruitment under Ten Hag was awful. I think if Rangnick was Sporting Director role and his range of contacts within football it would have been better recruitment record than we seen. 

I work with several United fans and all pretty are unhappy with recruitment and the lack of quality players being sign. 

[roversfan99]

Im not sure a bloke recommending Morata and Enzo Fernandez is the answer.

[Cherry Blue]

Southampton having a shite time with two ex rovers stars on the bench. 

6 points but will be a championship force next season. 

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not sure a bloke recommending Morata and Enzo Fernandez is the answer.

Rangnick was there at United in whatever his role was and I would have given him the sporting director job. I think he recommended Luiz Diaz, Vlahovic, Enzo and Morata plus a few more. All would have improve that starting. Did Casemiro and Anthony improve the team or Zirkzee this season. Same old mistakes each window. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

How the hell have Clubs like Brentford,Bournemouth and Brighton become so effective in the top flight?

Answers on a postcard to our Clowns Venkys/Waggott.

Edited Saturday at 20:02 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[K-Hod]

Just now, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

How the hell have Clubs like Brentford,Bournemouth and Brighton become so effective in the top flight?

Answers on a postcard to Venkys/Waggott.

Their owners care, so they try.

Ours and those they employ, don’t.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Absolutely K-hod.

At least we can watch Liverpool rip Utd a new one tomorrow to dull our pain.

[Blue blood]

8 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Their owners care, so they try.

And they employ competence and the best quality that they can. 

8 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Ours and those they employ, don’t.

And are all as far from competent as is humanly possible. 

[K-Hod]

Just now, Blue blood said:

And they employ competence and the best quality that they can. 

And are all as far from competent as is humanly possible. 

Oh I know that as well as anyone, believe me. 

[Blue blood]

2 hours ago, Cherry Blue said:

Southampton having a shite time with two ex rovers stars on the bench. 

6 points but will be a championship force next season. 

Yeah. Although Martin's philosophy was pure football suicide for a promoted team. And I dare say it will take a while to get out of that mindset. 

[Blue blood]

Just now, K-Hod said:

Oh I know that as well as anyone, believe me. 

I'm sure you do. Feel it always needs mentioning though as it's surprisingly overlooked by a significant amount of our fan base. 

Forgetting hyperbole and football fan speak for example, I genuinely think I could do better in the role than Waggot, especially with engaging the fanbase. 

[chaddyrovers]

42 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

How the hell have Clubs like Brentford,Bournemouth and Brighton become so effective in the top flight?

owners will a clear plan for the club, clear transfer strategy, proper structure at the club and good head coach appointments 

36 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

At least we can watch Liverpool rip Utd a new one tomorrow to dull our pain.

could be called off due to the snow

[Norbert Rassragr]

Being backed by American banking/high finance interests helps too. 

[Upside Down]

7 hours ago, Blue blood said:

I'm sure you do. Feel it always needs mentioning though as it's surprisingly overlooked by a significant amount of our fan base. 

Forgetting hyperbole and football fan speak for example, I genuinely think I could do better in the role than Waggot, especially with engaging the fanbase. 

That's hardly a difficult thing to do. I saw a pile of dog shit on the side of the road the other day that would be a better football club CEO than Maggot.

[Bronzed A Donis]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

owners will a clear plan for the club, clear transfer strategy, proper structure at the club and good head coach appointments 

I think United are too far gone for that now. The club are absolutely rotten to the core , as clear an example as any of how it's impossible to separate owners and what goes on, on the pitch (like us).

I actually think they need to strip all back and need a personality manager, who has the most power and control (klopp-esque) and just let him get on with it rather than trying to be too clever just because it's the done thing now.

It'll take years and hopefully they have further to sink in the meantime.

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, Bronzed A Donis said:

I think United are too far gone for that now. The club are absolutely rotten to the core , as clear an example as any of how it's impossible to separate owners and what goes on, on the pitch (like us).

I actually think they need to strip all back and need a personality manager, who has the most power and control (klopp-esque) and just let him get on with it rather than trying to be too clever just because it's the done thing now.

It'll take years and hopefully they have further to sink in the meantime.

I'm quite happy with the way they're doing things at present, long may it continue.

I think if they got relegated that would be a cause for a huge reset so hopefully they just spend the next 60-70 years just bumming about in the bottom third of the table achieving absolutely nothing.

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, Bronzed A Donis said:

I think United are too far gone for that now. The club are absolutely rotten to the core , as clear an example as any of how it's impossible to separate owners and what goes on, on the pitch (like us).

I actually think they need to strip all back and need a personality manager, who has the most power and control (klopp-esque) and just let him get on with it rather than trying to be too clever just because it's the done thing now.

It'll take years and hopefully they have further to sink in the meantime.

Every week I have to listen to Man Utd fans at work, on phone ins or social media moan and whinge. It's quite funny tbh..

I think you need a proper plan which I think since Ratcliffe came in I still don't hes done. Cutting staff, staff Christmas bonuses, Christmas party. Morale must be low. I read Ratcliffe wanted to cut footballing scouting staff which is when Dan Ashworth thought he didn't want to be there. 

Over last 5 years, you see them linked with some very good players or yofku link why didn't they not sign them. 

United aren't the club 10 years ago they are..

It's a long term fix for them

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I just watched the penalty decision in the Brighton - Arsenal game. The game has gone if that’s a pen. The reaction of the Brighton player was disgusting play acting. I was expecting a priest to run on and say the last rites over him !

Edited yesterday at 12:11 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Waggy76]

Pitch report at midday , games very rarely off at Anfield