v Walsall (h) - 8/8/23 - Carabao Cup R1

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, TheRovers1994 said:

Totally agree, 21/22 was terrible losing to morecambe in the league cup first round and Wigan in the fa cup and Mowbray not giving two shits 

Don't forget the 7-0 pasting at home to Fulham that he also didn't give a fuck about.

What a dick head that bloke is.

[joey_big_nose]

Personally I would still play the same "spine" as we need to settle into a way of playing and everyone is fresh after the summer. Also as we have no world cup we have nothing like as many mid week game (only three mid week Championship games between now and end of November).

                         Pears

Brittain.    Hyam.  Wharton.  Pickering

        Travis    Buckley.  Wharton 

Markanday   Leonard.   Szmodics 

[A Northern Horde...]

2 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Don't forget the 7-0 pasting at home to Fulham that he also didn't give a fuck about.

What a dick head that bloke is.

Wasn't that horror show our biggest EVER home defeat...felt completely fooking numb that night.

3-0 tonight.

[Upside Down]

19 minutes ago, A Northern Horde... said:

Wasn't that horror show our biggest EVER home defeat...felt completely fooking numb that night.

3-0 tonight.

It was. 

No apology, not even any kind of acknowledgement from that miserable tosser. At any normal club he'd have been fired before the final whistle. 

Be a good challenge for the younger players this game. Hopefully they will play with confidence and bag a hatfull.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Upside Down

[Mattyblue]

Then we turned it round, went on a barnstorming run and flew into the top 2. That’s football.

His cup record however can’t be defended. Shocking from day one.

 

(Will the bloke  have to have retired to his lemon drizzle before this place stops going on about him everyday, by the way? 😁)

[AllRoverAsia]

Followed by a death spiral which included 2 runs of no wins in 5 games and an 8th position finish, outside the playoffs.

Edited August 8, 2023 by AllRoverAsia

[Mattyblue]

Yep, just a typical Mogga season in the end… but I’m sure this place will spend this season glued to another one up there.

[roversfan99]

Obviously reverts back to Mowbray and the obsession people have with him.

His cup record was strange. It wasnt even as if he always played weak sides in the cup but our record was really poor. Tomasson especially in the League Cup made wholesale changes in every round, it was a bit disappointing v Forest as we had made good progress and had got quite far, was that a quarter final?

The season before, we lost to Morecambe and we only changed 2 or 3. Not too dissimilar to Wigan away in the FA Cup where we didnt make many changes but one was Pears.

[RoversTilliDie]

8 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Don't forget the 7-0 pasting at home to Fulham that he also didn't give a fuck about.

What a dick head that bloke is.

I was at both, Morcambe and the nightmare that unfolded against Fulham after Van Heck was sent off early.

[RoversTilliDie]

Adam and Scott Wharton will play according to the Lancashire Telegraph, also Ennis is getting game time to build up his fitness.

[davulsukur]

---------------------Pears

Brittain---Carter---Wharton---Batty

----Buckley----Garrett----Wharton

----Hedges-----Ennis-----Gilsenan 

[RoversTilliDie]

8 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

Personally I would still play the same "spine" as we need to settle into a way of playing and everyone is fresh after the summer. Also as we have no world cup we have nothing like as many mid week game (only three mid week Championship games between now and end of November).

                         Pears

Brittain.    Hyam.  Wharton.  Pickering

        Travis    Buckley.  Wharton 

Markanday   Leonard.   Szmodics 

I agree with JDT, we have a more threadbare squad than last season at the moment, he's resting Travis who took a few knocks at the weekend but should be fit for Saturday and a few others.

[roversfan99]

Yep, playing a League 2 side at home in the first round and needing to get game time into important squad players like the Whartons, Ennis, Hedges, Brittain and Buckley as well as an opportunity to give a couple of kids a go, makes sense knowing we should win comfortably anyway. Hopefully if we get a few rounds in and get a Prem side then we can go stronger but for now, makes total sense.

[RoverInverness]

Mowbray tended to play a second 11 in the cups and JDT also tends to play a second 11 in the cups. The difference is the first team is now run as meritocracy. If a player plays well in cup matches he now knows he is in serious contention for a first team league start. Under Mowbray too much of the first 11 in the league were always guaranteed starters. He rewarded loyalty to himself above anything. He was also too scared of upsetting the dressing room to drop his high earners. He wasn’t the worst manager in the world, but JDT is on a totally different level when it comes to motivating the entire group, keeping the senior players on their toes and simultaneously letting all the players know exactly who runs the team - and all done with a big ruthless smile. Our improved cup performances under JDT are indicative of hugely improved group management of the entire squad. 

[Mattyblue]

Motivation is huge factor in football, if you are just a little bit off it other pro teams, even divisions below, can beat you. The players obviously knew the manager wasn't arsed and that filtered down.

[tomphil]

Mowbray just played mumbo jumbo sides mostly in the cups it just seemed a chance to give some mins to some, play a few favs so not to upset them and chuck the odd kid in.

Last season there seemed a clear plan to set out sides based almost entirely on the youth and second choice players in a structured team system similar to the first team. Obviously it helped we had more youth than ever champing at the bit and the knowledge with them that they'll get a chance of first team action if they perform.

The mentality seemed different so hopefully that remains the case, i certainly don't mind if we have a first team and a cup tie team instead of just a random mix of the two.

[KentExile]

27 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Mowbray just played mumbo jumbo sides mostly in the cups it just seemed a chance to give some mins to some, play a few favs so not to upset them and chuck the odd kid in.

Last season there seemed a clear plan to set out sides based almost entirely on the youth and second choice players in a structured team system similar to the first team. Obviously it helped we had more youth than ever champing at the bit and the knowledge with them that they'll get a chance of first team action if they perform.

The mentality seemed different so hopefully that remains the case, i certainly don't mind if we have a first team and a cup tie team instead of just a random mix of the two.

Wish I could like this twice, once because I think I agree with every word you wrote, but mainly because you correctly said "champing" instead of "chomping" 🙂 

[Colt Seavers]

I don't know how many tickets we've sold for tonight, but I've just been down and bought a couple on row 5 - Jack Walker Centre, so I'm guessing not too many sold...

[tomphil]

We have these debates before every one of these games but there are never many tickets sold in advance.

Most just rock up on the night and any gate of around 5/6k is pretty standard depending on away turn out.

[Upside Down]

Should have just let the fans take over again. 

[roverandout]

Is waldershite available tonight?

[Bethnal]

Any overseas fans aware of it being shown somewhere?

[TheRovers1994]

12 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Don't forget the 7-0 pasting at home to Fulham that he also didn't give a fuck about.

What a dick head that bloke is.

Yet people worshiped and still do, I called him out long before 

[Ossydave]

4 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Adam and Scott Wharton will play according to the Lancashire Telegraph, also Ennis is getting game time to build up his fitness.

Quite alarming that Ennis, despite joining in May hasn't managed more than 45 minutes.

Give you an idea on just how bad shape he was in when he landed, despite @1864roverite claiming to know otherwise.....

[windymiller7]

32 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

Quite alarming that Ennis, despite joining in May hasn't managed more than 45 minutes.

Give you an idea on just how bad shape he was in when he landed, despite @1864roverite claiming to know otherwise.....

Not verified, but I did see a leaked photo of him on his first day at Brockhall:

Edited August 8, 2023 by windymiller7
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