Summer Window - Rating /10

[AllRoverAsia]

I would have said that due to and in spite of the prevailing shenanigans circumstances it had ended up almost ok at 5/10.

However the late loan out of Buckley, without similar level replacement, is an inept feckup which is something we specialise in. Or just deliberate.

So it's a 3/10.

I do look forward to seeing Sigurdsson, eventually, and the German reserve.

GB is at fault for not getting a proven striker but he can, I think, still look at unattached but I doubt it. Over 2 windows he hasn't been able to find one and is that even possible.

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

 

GB is at fault for not getting a proven striker but he can, I think, still look at unattached but I doubt it. Over 2 windows he hasn't been able to find one and is that even possible.

Last summer and January he should have found a striker agreed .

But this summer I'm not quite sure what proven striker he could sign with the budget we had?

[AllRoverAsia]

57 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Last summer and January he should have found a striker agreed .

But this summer I'm not quite sure what proven striker he could sign with the budget we had?

Within Europe including UK there must be someone, somewhere.

Some fees and wages have been found for the signings that we've made. The striker should have priority 1.

JDT complained post January about this and, stupidly, I actually thought it would happen.

[phili]

In reality we've got what we've paid for.

It looks like we've generated £4m net in transfer fees and are saving somewhere in the the region of £50-60k a week in wages. So from a Venky's perspective they only need to inject £8-10m into the club this season. 

After generating those funds we could have easily afforded several good forwards. The problem of not being able to invest any of the savings is that we have gambled on probably our 10-12th choice options and need them to hit the ground running just to get numbers into the squad.

At the beginning of the summer, GB and JDT had agreed on the players to go for and had brought 3 pretty good players in and were working on several forwards until the plug was pulled. 

Next summer they will most probably sell A. Wharton and allow £2m to be spent on players and not have to inject any funds into the club.

What an opportunity Venky's have squandered. 

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Broughton has, yet again, not covered himself in glory and the Buckley loan is farcical - should either have been sold (for reinvestment) or stayed at the club.  Never been convinced by Broughton and I think he is a man well and truly out of his depth.  His communication is abysmal.

Funny that, I think his communication is excellent.

He's also literally working with buttons - he's generated a £4m surplus this window out of necessity and still brought in 7 players. I'm not quite sure what people want out of the guy - miracles?

[islander200]

1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Within Europe including UK there must be someone, somewhere.

Some fees and wages have been found for the signings that we've made. The striker should have priority 1.

JDT complained post January about this and, stupidly, I actually thought it would happen.

3 signings were made before the budget was cut though,and that wasn't the fault of Broughton.

Proven strikers cost a transfer fee and presumably the plan was to spend incoming transfer money inc Raya on a new striker but the owners not Broughton put a stop to that.

We spent about £1 million in transfer fees with the best will In the world proven strikers for the level we are at cost a lot more than a million quid 

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, Mercer said:

Ultimately, proof of the pudding is in the eating, however, the Rovers' pudding seems under prepared, thrown together a bit and lacking in quality ingredients.

At the outset, think it's widely recognised we needed to replace goals and we needed some experience (those who've been around the block a few times, know how to win and carry a bit of a nasty streak).

Wahlstedt - could be the quality of keeper we need.  A Swedish international who has to be a big upgrade on Pears (though it would be difficult to find a keeper who wasn't).

Hill - another body in defence, arguably no better than anything we have, certainly not experienced.

Tonstad - jury well and truly out on this one

Sigurdsson - think him and the goalie could be our best two signings, just hope we haven't signed a 'sick note'; must have known about his groin issue when we signed him - unbelievable

Moran - the lad has something in his locker, not sure he's strong enough for a full season of Championship physicality

Ennis - seems he rocked up way below par for fitness, a damning indictment for a professional athlete (particularly when joining a new club).  Does not seem the most robust of footballers and think he's destined for long periods of unavailability.

Telalovic - a 'last dance' signing when desperation has taken over

Broughton has, yet again, not covered himself in glory and the Buckley loan is farcical - should either have been sold (for reinvestment) or stayed at the club.  Never been convinced by Broughton and I think he is a man well and truly out of his depth.  His communication is abysmal.

Sadly, for me, it's a 3/10 window and a window I think that will well and truly have p1ssed off JDT and hastened his journey to the exit door. 

You seem to focus the blame all on Broughton and no mention of the owners.

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Funny that, I think his communication is excellent.

He's also literally working with buttons - he's generated a £4m surplus this window out of necessity and still brought in 7 players. I'm not quite sure what people want out of the guy - miracles?

No one has come out and said why the purse strings have been tightened.  Indian tax law, Indian policy changes re overseas' investment, the Raos managing their losses to a lower acceptable level?  The fans need honesty and transparency to help with their understanding and perhaps empathy  - it's that simple.  Communication is abysmal.

'The guy' has had three windows to nail a striker who would get us goals and is better than Gallagher.  To me this should have been at the top of his 'must do' list when he arrived (his other stuff is almost akin to changing the deckchairs as the Titanic went down).  He has failed.  Window one - Hirst proved less than useless with Rovers.  Window two - nothing.  Window three - IMO, an unfit and overweight Ennis who seems injury prone and is certainly unproven at this level.; add Semir who is a 'last dance' signing and stinks of desperation. - would have been a decent gamble if he had supplemented a main striker signing.  Broughton has had the whole world to go at to find 'the missing' link - other teams with small budgets find them.   

 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You seem to focus the blame all on Broughton and no mention of the owners.

Think virtually all Rovers fans are aware of our ownership issues, however, Waggott and Broughton are paid huge amounts of money (relative to 99.9% of the fan base) to manage our club effectively and to move the club forward.  IMO, Waggott has failed miserably.  Broughton has shown me nothing out of the ordinary and, IMO, is bang average at best and at worse, out of his depth.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Mercer

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

No one has come out and said why the purse strings have been tightened.  Indian tax law, Indian policy changes re overseas' investment, the Raos managing their losses to a lower acceptable level?  The fans need honesty and transparency to help with their understanding and perhaps empathy  - it's that simple.  Communication is abysmal.

'The guy' has had three windows to nail a striker who would get us goals and is better than Gallagher.  To me this should have been at the top of his 'must do' list when he arrived (his other stuff is almost akin to changing the deckchairs as the Titanic went down).  He has failed.  Window one - Hirst proved less than useless with Rovers.  Window two - nothing.  Window three - IMO, an unfit and overweight Ennis who seems injury prone and is certainly unproven at this level.; add Semir who is a 'last dance' signing and stinks of desperation. - would have been a decent gamble if he had supplemented a main striker signing.  Broughton has had the whole world to go at to find 'the missing' link - other teams with small budgets find them.  

Who are these other teams who are finding prolific goal scorers with no money to spend?

Enlighten us

I mean, you told us he had identified Adams and had a multi-million pound offer on the table before Venkys' intervention. So what do you want from him? It was you who told us this was a fact...now he's out of his depth and bang average? I thought Adams was the answer to our problems?

[jim mk2]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

 

'The guy' has had three windows to nail a striker who would get us goals and is better than Gallagher.  To me this should have been at the top of his 'must do' list when he arrived (

 

Carlton Morris, the definition of a big journeyman lower league striker but who made a huge difference to Luton last season and gave our defence all sorts of problems. He cost just £1.3m, a fraction of what we've saved in wages and made in transfer fees over the summer. There's many others like him but it's beyond Broughton's capabilities apparently

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 

Carlton Morris, the definition of a big journeyman lower league striker but who made a huge difference to Luton last season and gave our defence all sorts of problems. He cost just £1.3m, a fraction of what we've saved in wages and made in transfer fees over the summer. There's many others like him but it's beyond Broughton's capabilities apparently

Without the benefit of hindsight, what would you have thought of us spending £1.3m on Morris (or someone with a similar record to his pre Luton one)?

[jim mk2]

17 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Without the benefit of hindsight, what would you have thought of us spending £1.3m on Morris (or someone with a similar record to his pre Luton one)?

Good question. Morris had had 8 or 9 clubs before he joined Luton. playing about 200 matches and averaging about one goal every 7 games. At Luton he's averaging about 1 goal every 2 games. Maybe he just needed to settle somewhere. 

[wilsdenrover]

11 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Good question. Morris had had 8 or 9 clubs before he joined Luton. playing about 200 matches and averaging about one goal every 7 games. At Luton he's averaging about 1 goal every 2 games. Maybe he just needed to settle somewhere. 

Thanks for the reply 👍

In a way, Morris is to Luton as Gestede was to us - sometimes, for no obvious reason, a player just clicks at a particular club.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

17 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Good question. Morris had had 8 or 9 clubs before he joined Luton. playing about 200 matches and averaging about one goal every 7 games. At Luton he's averaging about 1 goal every 2 games. Maybe he just needed to settle somewhere. 

He was always playing up front on his own before. Luton played with two up front last season. That makes a massive difference.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He was always playing up front on his own before. Luton played with two up front last season. That makes a massive difference.

Even so, I’m not sure anyone could have expected it to make such a big difference.

I think he’s a great example of why the success of any transfer has a least of degree of luck attached to it.

Regarding playing two up front - I wonder how much training time clubs spend these days on defending against this option…

[Andy]

3 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

 

Carlton Morris, the definition of a big journeyman lower league striker but who made a huge difference to Luton last season and gave our defence all sorts of problems. He cost just £1.3m, a fraction of what we've saved in wages and made in transfer fees over the summer. There's many others like him but it's beyond Broughton's capabilities apparently

Even players like Seamus Coleman at Everton and, more recently Evan Ferguson at Brighton.

Picked up for nominal fees from Irish clubs - Ferguson in particular looks the real deal, reminds me of a young Shearer.

The players are out there, for sure.
Let's hope the new striker is one of them...

[M_B]

What we need is someone up front to outscore Gallagher. With the stick he gets, it should be easily done by all 3 of the other new forwards. 

If that were to happen, then we'd be right up there. If not, and none of the new forwards manages to oust Gally from the first 11,or even first substitute, then the window will be a 4/10 at best. 

[tomphil]

6 hours ago, Mercer said:

No one has come out and said why the purse strings have been tightened.  Indian tax law, Indian policy changes re overseas' investment, the Raos managing their losses to a lower acceptable level?  The fans need honesty and transparency to help with their understanding and perhaps empathy  - it's that simple.  Communication is abysmal.

'The guy' has had three windows to nail a striker who would get us goals and is better than Gallagher.  To me this should have been at the top of his 'must do' list when he arrived (his other stuff is almost akin to changing the deckchairs as the Titanic went down).  He has failed.  Window one - Hirst proved less than useless with Rovers.  Window two - nothing.  Window three - IMO, an unfit and overweight Ennis who seems injury prone and is certainly unproven at this level.; add Semir who is a 'last dance' signing and stinks of desperation. - would have been a decent gamble if he had supplemented a main striker signing.  Broughton has had the whole world to go at to find 'the missing' link - other teams with small budgets find them.   

 

Think virtually all Rovers fans are aware of our ownership issues, however, Waggott and Broughton are paid huge amounts of money (relative to 99.9% of the fan base) to manage our club effectively and to move the club forward.  IMO, Waggott has failed miserably.  Broughton has shown me nothing out of the ordinary and, IMO, is bang average at best and at worse, out of his depth.

Not being funny Merce but weren't you one of the several who claim to hear things not long saying there was some good news ?

That we'd be ok we'd spend on a fwd and problems would be resolved even if fans might have to bite the bullet on something, or words to that effect ?

Please don't tell me it all hinged on assumption that Raya was moving and Phillips would bring in more ?

[tomphil]

9 hours ago, phili said:

In reality we've got what we've paid for.

It looks like we've generated £4m net in transfer fees and are saving somewhere in the the region of £50-60k a week in wages. So from a Venky's perspective they only need to inject £8-10m into the club this season. 

After generating those funds we could have easily afforded several good forwards. The problem of not being able to invest any of the savings is that we have gambled on probably our 10-12th choice options and need them to hit the ground running just to get numbers into the squad.

At the beginning of the summer, GB and JDT had agreed on the players to go for and had brought 3 pretty good players in and were working on several forwards until the plug was pulled. 

Next summer they will most probably sell A. Wharton and allow £2m to be spent on players and not have to inject any funds into the club.

What an opportunity Venky's have squandered. 

Which is why they simply must put the club up for sale asap and clear off once and for all as there is NO future with them other than league 1 eventually.

Mowbray did once say we wanted the Barnsley model when he was working his way around the league for examples.  That'll be the closet one to being correct in the next couple of years all the foundations are being put in place.

They've killed every bit of momentum and ambition built up over the last couple of seasons, 2 seasons that were never in the planning they just struck everybody by surprise.

Hence the reluctance to push.

[Mercer]

5 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Who are these other teams who are finding prolific goal scorers with no money to spend?

Enlighten us

I mean, you told us he had identified Adams and had a multi-million pound offer on the table before Venkys' intervention. So what do you want from him? It was you who told us this was a fact...now he's out of his depth and bang average? I thought Adams was the answer to our problems?

Jim has given you one example below.  Other examples, have we even found anyone as good as Blackpool's discovery/signing of Jerry Yates and Josh Bowler - both would walk into our team and improve it.  There are many others.

As for Adam's 'muti-million' pound offer - that's an exaggeration, told both Rovers' offers in £2 to £3million range.

Circumstances change, not Broughton's fault, and you go with the flow.  Are Ennis and Semir the best Broughton can really do?!

4 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

 

Carlton Morris, the definition of a big journeyman lower league striker but who made a huge difference to Luton last season and gave our defence all sorts of problems. He cost just £1.3m, a fraction of what we've saved in wages and made in transfer fees over the summer. There's many others like him but it's beyond Broughton's capabilities apparently

 

38 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Not being funny Merce but weren't you one of the several who claim to hear things not long saying there was some good news ?

That we'd be ok we'd spend on a fwd and problems would be resolved even if fans might have to bite the bullet on something, or words to that effect ?

Please don't tell me it all hinged on assumption that Raya was moving and Phillips would bring in more ?

Nowt to do with Raya and Phillips.  Sadly, it seems 'investors' got cold feet and is it any feckin wonder!!!

Edited September 5, 2023 by Mercer

[roversfan99]

7 hours ago, Mercer said:

No one has come out and said why the purse strings have been tightened.  Indian tax law, Indian policy changes re overseas' investment, the Raos managing their losses to a lower acceptable level?  The fans need honesty and transparency to help with their understanding and perhaps empathy  - it's that simple.  Communication is abysmal.

'The guy' has had three windows to nail a striker who would get us goals and is better than Gallagher.  To me this should have been at the top of his 'must do' list when he arrived (his other stuff is almost akin to changing the deckchairs as the Titanic went down).  He has failed.  Window one - Hirst proved less than useless with Rovers.  Window two - nothing.  Window three - IMO, an unfit and overweight Ennis who seems injury prone and is certainly unproven at this level.; add Semir who is a 'last dance' signing and stinks of desperation. - would have been a decent gamble if he had supplemented a main striker signing.  Broughton has had the whole world to go at to find 'the missing' link - other teams with small budgets find them.   

 

Think virtually all Rovers fans are aware of our ownership issues, however, Waggott and Broughton are paid huge amounts of money (relative to 99.9% of the fan base) to manage our club effectively and to move the club forward.  IMO, Waggott has failed miserably.  Broughton has shown me nothing out of the ordinary and, IMO, is bang average at best and at worse, out of his depth.

This summer, we started with no money and somehow ended with less. Not only that, a mid window pulling out of the rug, a lack of communication, individual deals needing signing off and deals of experienced players flatly refused.

We had no money to spend. His hands were tied. Regardless of how much Broughton and Waggott are paid, and comparisons to the fan base are totally meaningless. The desperation signings are solely a result of the owners.

I think the nonsense about the Adams bid looking post window is proven to be absolute nonsense. We didnt have that sort of money at any point this summer.

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

This summer, we started with no money and somehow ended with less. Not only that, a mid window pulling out of the rug, a lack of communication, individual deals needing signing off and deals of experienced players flatly refused.

We had no money to spend. His hands were tied. Regardless of how much Broughton and Waggott are paid, and comparisons to the fan base are totally meaningless. The desperation signings are solely a result of the owners.

I think the nonsense about the Adams bid looking post window is proven to be absolute nonsense. We didnt have that sort of money at any point this summer.

Does anyone know wtf is going on / has gone on?

Don't forget, I first posted about the Adam's stuff in mid June and at that time there was no indication of what was to come.  Given where the information came from, I am very confident it was correct and it certainly was not nonsense.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Does anyone know wtf is going on / has gone on?

Don't forget, I first posted about the Adam's stuff in mid June and at that time there was no indication of what was to come.  Given where the information came from, I am very confident it was correct and it certainly was not nonsense.

It was said before then that we had no money to spend so I do at least know that bidding millions on any player simply didnt happen.

[ruggles1995]

list of free transfer options:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-transfer-free-agents-27657357

 

who would people go for, and who do we think wages wise would be realistic. Probably couldn't afford them, but Id be asking the questions to bertand and rose. 

[LeftWinger]

11 minutes ago, ruggles1995 said:

list of free transfer options:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-transfer-free-agents-27657357

 

who would people go for, and who do we think wages wise would be realistic. Probably couldn't afford them, but Id be asking the questions to bertand and rose. 

Danny Rose is a terrible idea. Don't think he's played a game in almost 2 years - and he was woeful at Watford.

Think he's had mental health problems hasn't he?