Venky’s v Indian Government (a) - 25/3/2025 - Perennially Re-Arranged Challenge Match

[DeeCee]

Mashers on the wind up again.

[Crimpshrine]

23 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

What exactly do you mean by "our plight" ?

our

/ˈou(ə)r,är/

determiner

belonging to or associated with the speaker and one or more other people previously mentioned or easily identified.

plight¹

/plīt/

noun

a dangerous, difficult, or otherwise unfortunate situation.

Similar to

Predicament, sorry condition, sad state, trouble, difficulty, mess, dire straits

[Forever Blue]

16 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Nah I'm in the 12000 strong majority that refuses to have the piss taken out of them.

You won't catch me anywhere near Ewood whilst these cunts are about.

Keep getting behind the lads, you're making a difference.

You live in Australia, it’s a long walk to Ewood

Edited November 8, 2024 by Forever Blue

[Leonard Venkhater]

"Some of the arguments clutched at by Gestede suggested that his opinion of the intellect of the average Rovers supporter is significantly lower than the actuality." @Herbie6590

Absolutely, bloody wonderful! Are you Thomas Hardy in disguise? 

Loving the sarcastic understatement...in the LT too

Well done!

[Upside Down]

8 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

You live in Australia, it’s a long walk to Ewood

I do not live in Australia, how dare you! 

I lived in Mill Hill for a couple of years and refused to go then. Proximity to Ewood has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Haven’t read an article like this on us for quite some time:

https://t.co/Y8BkeACin7.

Very sobering, but well balanced and researched for a neutral.

Edited November 12, 2024 by G Somerset Rover

[Ianrally]

On 08/11/2024 at 19:36, Upside Down said:

I do not live in Australia, how dare you! 

I lived in Mill Hill for a couple of years and refused to go then. Proximity to Ewood has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

I think UD lives in NZ. They don’t have shackle marks there. 

[tomphil]

What a superb piece that is even if it's pointing out the grim reality we already know.

So good that an outsider can grasp the situation and feelings around here and convey in a way that other clubs fans might grasp.

We are permanently on the road to nowhere with the odd bit of window dressing every few years followed by the inevitable pull it all to pieces again sideshow.  And it's hard to think it isn't just a cycle for a club like us it's partly on purpose just to keep bumbling along whilst the owners ignore it and the two in office here just fill their pockets with easy money and all the ego and perks the job provides.

I've always been in the 'we need a completely fresh start' camp even if it might be painful to begin with. Others are in the 'this is our level at least we aren't Bury' camp which i understand but don't agree with at all.

Then there is the pro Venky group, very small and mostly exists of facebook for some reason, them i'll never understand nor want to be in dialogue with.

[Devon Rover]

1 hour ago, G Somerset Rover said:

Haven’t read an article like this on us for quite some time:

https://t.co/Y8BkeACin7.

Very sobering, but well balanced and researched for a neutral at least (IMO).

Thanks for that link. It was a good read. Aside from a few errors, I thought it summed up the situation quite well. As you say, very sobering and another reminder that our club is just clinging onto life that is slipping away, rather than making, or even aiming for, any real progress/prosperity. Until Venkys leave. IF, they ever do...

[Devon Rover]

The bit in the article relating to the court case being Venkys' appealing against the Indian government rules on matching funding going abroad, got me thinking.

Is the case which is due to be heard tomorrow (possibly, perhaps) purely a 'yes/no' on this point? Or is it about anything beyond that? We all understand there is some form of ongoing investigation in India. Is the outcome of that investigation required for the court case to be be heard and decided, at all, or is it something that is directly within the remit of the court case?

If the former, then I imagine we might well be gearing up for a potential further adjournment and stasis likely going into the January transfer window?

Sorry, I might have just lost track of all this over the many months!

[MarkBRFC]

So the latest round of this farce is tomorrow, to be postponed to February I'm guessing?

[Herbie6590]

Excellent piece in the i today with great quotes from our own Scott Sumner… @4,000 Holes

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn-rovers-empty-seats-supporters-lost-3374336

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

So the latest round of this farce is tomorrow, to be postponed to February I'm guessing?

As the case is number 72 on the cause list (court number 8 for anyone interested) I think your prediction of a further delay will prove to be correct…

[G Somerset Rover]

34 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

As the case is number 72 on the cause list (court number 8 for anyone interested) I think your prediction of a further delay will prove to be correct…

Death by a thousand cuts indeed. The never ending story.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Devon Rover said:

The bit in the article relating to the court case being Venkys' appealing against the Indian government rules on matching funding going abroad, got me thinking.

Is the case which is due to be heard tomorrow (possibly, perhaps) purely a 'yes/no' on this point? Or is it about anything beyond that? We all understand there is some form of ongoing investigation in India. Is the outcome of that investigation required for the court case to be be heard and decided, at all, or is it something that is directly within the remit of the court case?

If the former, then I imagine we might well be gearing up for a potential further adjournment and stasis likely going into the January transfer window?

Sorry, I might have just lost track of all this over the many months!

It's been said the two things are separate and this just relates to them trying to get rid of the like for like penalty on sending money over.  

Allegedly the investigation into the main issues relating to the VH group is ongoing and we've never heard if they've got their properties back yet that were supposedly seized over there.

Perhaps they were the 'bond' for money sent over last year.

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, Devon Rover said:

The bit in the article relating to the court case being Venkys' appealing against the Indian government rules on matching funding going abroad, got me thinking.

Is the case which is due to be heard tomorrow (possibly, perhaps) purely a 'yes/no' on this point? Or is it about anything beyond that? We all understand there is some form of ongoing investigation in India. Is the outcome of that investigation required for the court case to be be heard and decided, at all, or is it something that is directly within the remit of the court case?

If the former, then I imagine we might well be gearing up for a potential further adjournment and stasis likely going into the January transfer window?

Sorry, I might have just lost track of all this over the many months!

The cause list has reference to both the saga which has been ongoing since ‘23 and to the appeal you refer to (Sept’ 24)

The latter seems to be the Venkys asking the court to rule that the D of E need to either ‘shit or get off of the pot’.

As mentioned earlier, given the listing number of 72, it’s not looking hopeful either of these things will be dealt with tomorrow.

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Its just rinse and repeat year after year,nothing changes at the Club,surely one of the most,nay, THE strangest Ownership Models in World Football....

We bumble on that Road to nowhere,the shit reality of being a Rovers fan.

Edited November 12, 2024 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[roverblue]

I don't understand how cases ever get heard in India, if we are number 72 tomorrow then there is no chance. Which means another delay till Feb/March based on previous delays.

Do you need to pay to get up the list or something? There must be a way for a court case to be heard as otherwise this will just go on forever?

[Silas]

2 minutes ago, roverblue said:

I don't understand how cases ever get heard in India, if we are number 72 tomorrow then there is no chance. Which means another delay till Feb/March based on previous delays.

Do you need to pay to get up the list or something? There must be a way for a court case to be heard as otherwise this will just go on forever?

You would also hope that cases that had already been adjourned several times would be prioritised on the list order. 

But then, I have no idea of the history of the first 71.

But if number 31 was only lodged months ago, and we're at 72, would be a pretty stupid system.  

[rigger]

1 minute ago, Silas said:

You would also hope that cases that had already been adjourned several times would be prioritised on the list order. 

But then, I have no idea of the history of the first 71.

But if number 31 was only lodged months ago, and we're at 72, would be a pretty stupid system.  

It is more likely to be a corrupt system.

[tomphil]

You almost get the impression Venkys ain't that bothered i wonder how hard their legal team are pushing this ?

It's obviously not seen as very important by anybody and at this rate could go on forever.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, tomphil said:

It's been said the two things are separate and this just relates to them trying to get rid of the like for like penalty on sending money over.  

Allegedly the investigation into the main issues relating to the VH group is ongoing and we've never heard if they've got their properties back yet that were supposedly seized over there.

Perhaps they were the 'bond' for money sent over last year.

It's very much up for debate whether or not they even have to match money sent over like for like.

My reading of the previous Court judgment reproduced on here is that they merely have to provide personal guarantees to cover any money transferred.

And of course Waggott has previously declared on more than one occasion that there is "no impediment" to them funding the Club as normal which would be nearer to them having to merely provide guarantees as opposed to double funding.

Looks nailed on for another adjournment tomorrow though given the position in the Court list. The farce rolls endlessly on. A cynic might say the owners are finding this endless delay quite convenient.

[G Somerset Rover]

17 minutes ago, tomphil said:

You almost get the impression Venkys ain't that bothered i wonder how hard their legal team are pushing this ?

It's obviously not seen as very important by anybody and at this rate could go on forever.

Indeed. It'll be interesting to see what happens though when the Wharton/Szmodics instalments dry up because none of the current crop are fetching decent money.

Edited November 12, 2024 by G Somerset Rover

[wilsdenrover]

22 minutes ago, Silas said:

You would also hope that cases that had already been adjourned several times would be prioritised on the list order. 

But then, I have no idea of the history of the first 71.

But if number 31 was only lodged months ago, and we're at 72, would be a pretty stupid system.  

The two hearings described as final matters are the Venkys one and number 73 (the final one on the list!).

There seems to be no ‘date based’ logic to the ones which precede these two.

At a glance (and not wishing to alarm anyone)  one of the earlier cases appears to have started in 2017! 😬😬

 

[wilsdenrover]

14 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's very much up for debate whether or not they even have to match money sent over like for like.

My reading of the previous Court judgment reproduced on here is that they merely have to provide personal guarantees to cover any money transferred.

And of course Waggott has previously declared on more than one occasion that there is "no impediment" to them funding the Club as normal which would be nearer to them having to merely provide guarantees as opposed to double funding.

Looks nailed on for another adjournment tomorrow though given the position in the Court list. The farce rolls endlessly on. A cynic might say the owners are finding this endless delay quite convenient.

The court document from this September quotes their representative using the words (in relation to the guarantee)  ‘ this predicament places an immense financial burden on the Petitioner’ (the petitioner being Venkys)

Perhaps it isn’t an insurmountable one, but it certainly sounds like an impediment to me. 🤔