We are going down (the pessimism thread)

[Hasta]

This is how desperate the situation actually is:-

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I’ve been football daft since I was 10, I’ll be 75 next March. I never thought I’d fall out of love with football but I’m near to breaking point with the Chicken Chokers wrecking our club.

[Guest]

A fully fit, first choice, starting XI has enough to stay up.

The squad as it currently is does not. If we stay up it is on the manager and his coaching staff, it's a woeful squad, possibly worse on paper than the one we went down with.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

55 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

A fully fit, first choice, starting XI has enough to stay up.

The squad as it currently is does not. If we stay up it is on the manager and his coaching staff, it's a woeful squad, possibly worse on paper than the one we went down with.

Looking back at previous relegations that’s a common theme, we never got our best 11 out then either. Guys either couldn’t or wouldn’t play

[roverblue]

I'm yet to be convinced this squad is so much worse than last seasons which did well enough to nearly make the playoffs.

Dack and Ayala barely featured and you can argue are replaced with Hill and Moran/Siggurdson.

Diaz goals are a big miss but he may as well have not been here after Christmas and has been replaced with Ennis/ Telalovic/Leonard. Jury still out on both due to injuries/newness but Leonard seems capable.

The tactics are more of an issue for me than the playing squad at the moment.

 

[martonrover]

44 minutes ago, roverblue said:

Diaz goals are a big miss but he may as well have not been here after Christmas and has been replaced with Ennis/ Telalovic/Leonard

Ennis : Poor injury record (Mr La-de-da gunner Broughton guilty of overlooking this).

Telalovic : Looking like a panic buy. Basically, like buying a player from an English club’s academy. Might come good in time. We don’t have time.

Leonard : Similar to Telalovic, a youngster who should be getting eased in, not chucked in at the deep end. 

[riverholmes]

I guess Dack, Ayala, Brereton and Kaminski were important and experienced voices in and around the club. I wonder who the organisers and leaders are now. Travis, I guess, and there’ll be others but not sure.

A sign of our issues is the developmental wall our young players seem to reach. Dolan, the Whartons, Buckley etc. had a steep rise and still have moments but they seem to stop improving or go backwards.

Is this because they were overrated in the first place and had a purple patch? Is it because there is over reliance on them at an early stage in the absence of support and guidance from experienced pros and the pressure and demands are too much? 

The more hopeful thought, is that if these youngsters could get back to improving, they could be really good players and lift the team.
 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by riverholmes

[harryhealless1928]

Injury-prone squad(its only October), horrible set of results and completely baffling tactics by JDT are enough to worry any fan.

This "refusal to defend " attitude is ridiculous. No wonder Carter & Hyam are struggling. Why no 3 in midfield?

Its not as though all these attackers score regularly is it?

Just...change the system.

[wilsdenrover]

28 minutes ago, harryhealless1928 said:

Injury-prone squad(its only October), horrible set of results and completely baffling tactics by JDT are enough to worry any fan.

This "refusal to defend " attitude is ridiculous. No wonder Carter & Hyam are struggling. Why no 3 in midfield?

Its not as though all these attackers score regularly is it?

Just...change the system.

                                 Wahlstedt 

JRC.               Carter.           Hyam.          Brittain

                                 Tronstad 
                                   

                     Travis              Wharton 

Markanday.                                         Sigurdsson 
                                   Sammie 

[BarryMaguire]

7 hours ago, Hasta said:

This is how desperate the situation actually is:-

The (De)Pressing Forward

[booth]

On 05/10/2023 at 06:59, Mattyblue said:

‘The project is to be an established and sustainable Premier League football club’.

Aka, they were told by a spiv at a gathering that there was a club going that they could pick up cheap where they could breed footballers like chickens, and sell them on for big fees.

[Hasta]

This might be too positive for this thread, but if we did go down at least there would be a chance we would have no more of these shite international breaks. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Hasta

[Mattyblue]

We still would because Gillingham or whoever would have a Tuvaluan international.

[DE.]

Didn't we postpone most, if not all, of our L1 games during international breaks because we had a fair few players off on international duty?

[Displaced Rover]

Need 3 players on international duty to postpone a game in L1 I believe.

Didn’t we sign Jason Leutwiler (?) as sub keeper purely because he used to get called up by Canada?

[frosty]

2 hours ago, Displaced Rover said:

Need 3 players on international duty to postpone a game in L1 I believe.

Didn’t we sign Jason Leutwiler (?) as sub keeper purely because he used to get called up by Canada?

Think it is 3 yep. We used to have him, Mulgrew and there must have been one other that got called up....racking my brains as to who (without checking). Think it was too early for Nyambe with Namibia...

[roversfan99]

21 minutes ago, frosty said:

Think it is 3 yep. We used to have him, Mulgrew and there must have been one other that got called up....racking my brains as to who (without checking). Think it was too early for Nyambe with Namibia...

Corry Evans.

[frosty]

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Corry Evans.

Cheers. Not surprised I forgot about him.

[jim mk2]

Any nerves out there? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, jim mk2 said:

Any nerves out there? 

Play like today again - who are we going to beat ? Hull and Rotherham will be licking their lips tonight. The lads we have out are hardly match winners.

[davulsukur]

2 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Any nerves out there? 

Yup.

The goals against column is a huge concern and if we can't resolve that, we're only heading one way.

[roverblue]

I think we are already in a relegation fight, if not for a Smodizc hot streak we would already be down there.

No hope of money in January either due to tax dodging owners and the squad can only get weaker should we sell.

Worst home record since Steve Kean and the 2nd worst defence in the league.

All points to a lowest finish since we came back up

[Waggy76]

I have been thinking all season , we will be in a relegation scrap by February!

[Rogerb]

Need six wins from the remaining games to stay up . If we can score first there is a chance of achieving that.

[booth]

A relegation battle is just what Waggott was anticipating, but at no point planned for.

Edited December 26, 2023 by booth