That *was* the January Window

[Waggy76]

49 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Yes on about him and although i'm concerned about the finance side of it i became more worried when i read the bits saying he's proven good at attacking but less so a defending.

In a lower league than us but apparently it's ok because he's termed a modern defender !

Bloody hell i remember  a young Colin Hendry being termed a modern defender because he was great at throwing himself face or genitals first at everything at both ends of the pitch.   Why have those real defenders just disappeared over the last decade i wonder.

The game is not what it was ! 

It is becoming or has become a none contact sport and that is not for the betterment of the game ....

Let's go back to 3 subs and get rid of VAR.

Cos very soon the top 6 will be able to field a team in each half , of very similar ability !!

[Torgeir]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If Football Manager is anything to go by, you have to pay the release clause in full - if triggering it is the only reason the team will sell him, obviously. 

Sensible to try and negotiate the best deal for us. He won't go straight into the team anyway.

[bluebruce]

8 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

The apple fell far from the tree then.

It was more a pear. Which is ironic, because that's the shape of our goalkeeping department.

[bluebruce]

9 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Thought it was perfectly normal to divide payments into installments. Tbh. a clause like that should say directly that it takes £500k upfront for it to be triggered, and there wouldn't be much room for negotiations... could be that that's the story here and we're still haggling, which would justify some frustration.

I think it typically is stated in these clauses, or maybe even just a law of the game. Otherwise, clubs would just say 'Ok, 10 million quid release clause? No problem, we'll give you a tenner up front, then we'll give you 10 quid a year for the next million years, job done'.

Like Exiled said, on FM you can't trigger a release clause by doing it in installments. FM isn't the gospel, but it gets a helluva lot of things right, especially when it comes to the laws of the game etc.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Sensible to try and negotiate the best deal for us. He won't go straight into the team anyway.

It is, but I imagine it's like how we tried to start a bidding war for Phillips. Teams are just going to fall back on the release clause in the contract and wait it out. 

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, Moptop1 said:

I’ve been thinking the same thing. Why do they still pay £20m per year when they have reduced everything from high earners, to reducing everything else.

Something doesn’t add up to be losing that much still.

That why they are keeping things well hidden. Maybe we’re up more than £220m debt or in-fact they’ve slashed some of it and they just don’t want to spend and keep us just ‘bobbing’ along.

Seems they have never been honest either way. And the ones they employ who keep quiet, they keep as they know it will keep their ‘secrets’ safe.

Yeah it's never added up.

The losses are the only thing that has been consistent throughout their tenure. Those huge losses also started straight away even though the club was only losing about 3 million at the time.

There is definitely more to this government intervention than a few unpaid taxes.

[philipl]

Look at all the new contacts.

Are they being signed with no wage increases?

There's your answer.

[Spankus Munky]

22 minutes ago, philipl said:

Look at all the new contacts.

Are they being signed with no wage increases?

There's your answer.

Doesn't add up how saving 100% of a contract to increase another by 25-35% still results in the same losses.

[tomphil]

6 hours ago, philipl said:

Look at all the new contacts.

Are they being signed with no wage increases?

There's your answer.

They are unlikely to be replacing the wages of Dack, BBD, Ayala, Kaminsky ete and not that long ago most of TMs first team squad were on double figures.

The squad is now chock full of promoted youth, loans and cheaper wages they've been driving it down for a few years now. No way is Szmod on Dacks wage or HYam on Ayalas etc.  Costs will have increased for basic things like they have for everyone but the actual first team squad wage bill should be significantly less than it was 2 yrs ago never ind 3.

Maybe that freed up room for the pitch job and bus lease and so on but the actual overal losses at Ewood are still eye wateringly high compared to some other similar sized clubs.   Are they still paying off dollopers from yesteryear or are there other people on the club wage bill we don't know about ?

Next accounts should be interesting.

[KentExile]

15 minutes ago, tomphil said:

They are unlikely to be replacing the wages of Dack, BBD, Ayala, Kaminsky ete and not that long ago most of TMs first team squad were on double figures.

The squad is now chock full of promoted youth, loans and cheaper wages they've been driving it down for a few years now. No way is Szmod on Dacks wage or HYam on Ayalas etc.  Costs will have increased for basic things like they have for everyone but the actual first team squad wage bill should be significantly less than it was 2 yrs ago never ind 3.

Maybe that freed up room for the pitch job and bus lease and so on but the actual overal losses at Ewood are still eye wateringly high compared to some other similar sized clubs.   Are they still paying off dollopers from yesteryear or are there other people on the club wage bill we don't know about ?

Next accounts should be interesting.

I think many of us severely underestimate just how high Championship wages are.  (and I do not just mean at Rovers)

Whilst Hyam may not be on quite as high a wage as Ayala was (Ayala who moved to Rovers on a free which would have meant higher wages), that will probably change if and when Hyam signs an extension (his injury and lack of form in recent weeks might do Rovers a favour in negotiations there).  Dack signed his big contract with us whilst injured the first time around, whereas Szmodics signed his whilst he was the top scorer in the Championship.

The recent extensions to Pickering, Adam Wharton , Sigurdsson, and probably JRC in the summer, who have all proven that at the very least are relatively reliable Championship performers would very likely be on more than £8K-£10K/week.

Remember, if Rovers don't pay these figures, there are plenty of clubs at our level who would happily do so.  Which is why Rovers are looking at the ,lad from Crewe.

Edited January 8 by KentExile

[Wheelton Blue]

We're also now paying for a DoF on top of a CEO, which wasn't the case a year ago.

[tomphil]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

I think many of us severely underestimate just how high Championship wages are.  (and I do not just mean at Rovers)

Whilst Hyam may not be on quite as high a wage as Ayala was (Ayala who moved to Rovers on a free which would have meant higher wages), Dack signed his big contract with us whilst injured the first time around, whereas Szmodics signed his whilst he was the top scorer in the Championship.

Dack was c18k, Ayala similar as you say a free from Boro were he was on c30k

Hyam and Sammie will be on half that tops and a lot of the kids will be on a few grand per week as opposed to TMs squad of a few years ago on average championship journetman wages of 10k pwk.

There is no way that the football wage bill hasn't been considerably reduced in the last 3 seasons unless the coaching staff are on huge wonga.

[tomphil]

4 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

We're also now paying for a DoF on top of a CEO, which wasn't the case a year ago.

Hmm but Mowbray and Venus were experienced manager and assistant who also apparently doubled as some sort of DoF so i reckon there were costing a reasonable amount.

Replaced by a head coach, 2 assistant coaches and a DoF but all from abroad and novices in terms of Championship experience so i don't think it would be massively more costly.

They wouldn't have done it otherwise.

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Dack was c18k, Ayala similar as you say a free from Boro were he was on c30k

Hyam and Sammie will be on half that tops and a lot of the kids will be on a few grand per week as opposed to TMs squad of a few years ago on average championship journetman wages of 10k pwk.

There is no way that the football wage bill hasn't been considerably reduced in the last 3 seasons unless the coaching staff are on huge wonga.

I bet Hyam is on around 15k plus and I would think Szmodics is now after his latest contract extension. Sigurdsson's wages will be around 15k also

[KentExile]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I bet Hyam is on around 15k plus and I would think Szmodics is now after his latest contract extension. Sigurdsson's wages will be around 15k also

Pretty much spot on in my view

It is why Rovers now look to sign players from League 1 and 2 (Szmodics, Brittain, Pickering, Ennis, new Crewe lad), Premier League Academy's (Markanday), Scotland (Hedges), and "lesser leagues" (at least in terms of their financial clout) from abroad (Tronstad, Telelovic, Wahlstedt).

As these players are unproven, their initial contracts can be circa £5-7K/week and if they develop, then a new contract is  offered on Championship level wages (£10-15K/week)

Edited January 8 by KentExile

[wilsdenrover]

4 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Pretty much spot on in my view

It is why Rovers now look to sign players from League 1 and 2 (Szmodics, Brittain, Pickering, Ennis, new Crewe lad), Premier League Academy's (Markanday), Scotland (Hedges), and "lesser leagues" (at least in terms of their financial clout) from abroad (Tronstad, Telelovic, Wahlstedt).

As these players are unproven, their initial contracts can be circa £5-7K/week and if they develop, then a new contract is  offered on Championship level wages (£10-15K/week)

How realistic do you think these figures look?

https://salarysport.com/football/championship/blackburn-rovers/

[Exiled_Rover]

6 hours ago, Spankus Munky said:

Doesn't add up how saving 100% of a contract to increase another by 25-35% still results in the same losses.

Exactly. That or I'm going to complain to HR cos I don't get 30-40% of my colleagues wage when he leaves and I pick up his slack.

They'll be incremental wage boosts and we don't have Bennett/ Mulgrew / Cairney / Rhodes knocking around the place now.

It's mostly kids and a few senior pros.

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

How realistic do you think these figures look?

https://salarysport.com/football/championship/blackburn-rovers/

With the exceptions of Adam Wharton, Szmodics and Pickering (who are surely on more since their recent extensions which do not look to have been included), pretty realistic in my honest opinion (as in their weekly wages are no more that a couple of thousand out in each individual case)

Edit - The U18 players (Nsangou, Michalski, Doherty etc) are way out though, UK minimum wage laws mean that nobody can legally be paid £60/week.  They are all surely on £250/week (https://www.acas.org.uk/national-minimum-wage-entitlement link for UK minimum wage requirements) just because the law dictates as such

Edited January 8 by KentExile

[RoversClitheroe]

16 minutes ago, KentExile said:

U18 players (Nsangou, Michalski, Doherty etc) are way out though, UK minimum wage laws mean that nobody can legally be paid £60/week.  They are all surely on £300/week (I'm not sure what the exact legal figure is but I am sure someone can google it if  they are so inclined) just because the law dictates as such

They'll be seen as apprenticeships I think?

[KentExile]

15 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

They'll be seen as apprenticeships I think?

Even as apprenticeships, they cant legally pay that little.  But I think that if we are looking at Championship wages, we do not need to be looking at what kids in the academy are making.

 

Ignore the below unless you care what U18 apprentices make per hour 😉 

https://www.acas.org.uk/national-minimum-wage-entitlement

£6.40/hour minimum wage for U18s (including apprentices) apparently, which equates to £256/week over a 40 hour week

Edited January 8 by KentExile

[Judge21]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

We're also now paying for a DoF on top of a CEO, which wasn't the case a year ago.

Would keep the DOF and get rid of CEO as at least we see what the DOF is trying to do with constraints placed on it since he came in.

[joey_big_nose]

40 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

How realistic do you think these figures look?

https://salarysport.com/football/championship/blackburn-rovers/

Hmmm... JRCs got himself a bloody good agent if he's gone from a bit part academy graduate looking to be shipped out 12 months ago to our fifth highest earner!

While directionally I think the numbers feel roughly right, overall something doesn't really make sense. 

In total SalarySports adds up to Blackburn Rovers total salary bill is £13,203,840... But that is is massively less than the £24M listed in the most recent 21/22 accounts according to this swissramble article below. I can't see the entire staff and director wage bill being more than £3M absolute tops. So either we've chopped off £8m from our player salary cost (equivalent to £150k a week) since the end of 22 or there's something I am not getting.

https://swissramble.substack.com/p/blackburn-rovers-finances-202122

Edited January 8 by joey_big_nose

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Hmmm... JRCs got himself a bloody good agent if he's gone from a bit part graduate apprentice looking to be shipped out 12 months ago to our fifth highest earner!

While directionally I think the numbers feel roughly right, overall something doesn't really make sense. 

In total SalarySports adds up to Blackburn Rovers total salary bill is £13,203,840... But that is is massively less than the £24M listed in the most recent 21/22 accounts according to this swissramble article below. I can't see the entire staff and director wage bill being more than £3M absolute tops. So either we've chopped off £8m from our player salary cost (equivalent to £150k a week) since the end of 22 or there's something I am not getting.

https://swissramble.substack.com/p/blackburn-rovers-finances-202122

The site (https://salarysport.com/football/championship/blackburn-rovers/) just lists "basic" wages.. not appearance money, goal bonuses etc (so a good season can add an extra 25-30% on top of what wage is shown there), and as others have mentioned previously, Rovers have cut their wage bill in recent years.

Edited January 8 by KentExile

[wilsdenrover]

8 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Hmmm... JRCs got himself a bloody good agent if he's gone from a bit part academy graduate looking to be shipped out 12 months ago to our fifth highest earner!

While directionally I think the numbers feel roughly right, overall something doesn't really make sense. 

In total SalarySports adds up to Blackburn Rovers total salary bill is £13,203,840... But that is is massively less than the £24M listed in the most recent 21/22 accounts according to this swissramble article below. I can't see the entire staff and director wage bill being more than £3M absolute tops. So either we've chopped off £8m from our player salary cost (equivalent to £150k a week) since the end of 22 or there's something I am not getting.

https://swissramble.substack.com/p/blackburn-rovers-finances-202122

In our last set of accounts the three executive directors remuneration totalled £491,033.

That leaves around £10 million unaccounted for (as you’ve said some of this will be GB, JDT etc etc)

Edited January 8 by wilsdenrover

[KentExile]

Just now, wilsdenrover said:

In our last set of accounts the three executive directors remuneration totalled £491,033.

That leaves around £10 million unaccounted for.

Appearance money, goal bonus, win bonus etc, add an extra 25% to the player wages (Rovers did ok in the year the accounts are from)