That *was* the January Window

[tomphil]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

Yes, I am sure Szmodics was on about what you say at Posh, and was probably on 10k/week when Rovers signed him

But following the last 1.5 years and especially this season.  His new contract a month or so ago would have included a very significant wage increase

I think Rovers do a lot of bonus heavy related contracts which isn't a bad thing and iv'e no doubt he earned 15 grand last week.

[SpaceBarSlam]

3 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I think Rovers do a lot of bonus heavy related contracts which isn't a bad thing and iv'e no doubt he earned 15 grand last week.

I did half wonder if this played a part in Travis being offloaded. He'd just reached 200 league appearances which may have triggered a salary increase.

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I think Rovers do a lot of bonus heavy related contracts which isn't a bad thing and iv'e no doubt he earned 15 grand last week.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/20595301.peterborough-uniteds-praise-sammie-szmodics-professionalism/

Rovers paid Szmodics "life changing money" in the words of Peterborough's chairman. And that was when we signed him, not including his recent new contract

Edited January 8, 2024 by KentExile

[wilsdenrover]

Just now, KentExile said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/20595301.peterborough-uniteds-praise-sammie-szmodics-professionalism/

Rovers paid Szmodics "life changing money" in the words of Peterborough's owner

Peterborough’s chairman says all sorts of things - I’m not sure how much of it turns out to be true.

[KentExile]

Just now, wilsdenrover said:

Peterborough’s chairman says all sorts of things - I’m not sure how much of it turns out to be true.

based on this mornings discussion re wages, Szmodics going from £5-6K/week at Peterorough, to £10K/week at Rovers when he moved (all figures before bonuses), sounds life changing to me (doubled his money) and is far from unbelievable

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, tomphil said:

He was signed by Coventry in 2017 when they were skint and he came from being loaned out to 3 or 4 clubs so no way was he on big wages there. We picked him up for a modest fee when they again needed money and we just aren't signing players on big wages anymore.

I've seen it mentioned he's on about 9k pwk here now and i'd say that sounds about right there is no way he's on Ayala style money.  He didn't come free, wasn't on 30k before at a big paying club and didn't have much pedigree for higher level football.

We paid 2.5 million for him. 

I stand by he is top earner along with Szmodics and Sigurdsson 

9 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Coventry’s wage bill (21-22 accounting period) was about 60% of ours so his salary would probably have been relatively low.

Coventry had just finished 12th and us 8th so I doubt we offered him a huge pay rise either.

I stand by my original post. I reckon he is our highest earner along with Szmodics and Sigurdsson 

[wilsdenrover]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

We paid 2.5 million for him. 

I stand by he is top earner along with Szmodics and Sigurdsson 

I stand by my original post. I reckon he is our highest earner along with Szmodics and Sigurdsson 

I wasn’t expecting facts to change your opinion.

[tomphil]

7 minutes ago, SpaceBarSlam said:

I did half wonder if this played a part in Travis being offloaded. He'd just reached 200 league appearances which may have triggered a salary increase.

JDT said himself he was one of the more expensive boys and one by one they are getting rid of the double figure wage earners there is no doubt in my mind easing Travis out is now mostly down to his wages.

If the gaffer was going to use him they'd have kept him a bit longer but he'd have been shifted anyway by summer imo.

[tomphil]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We paid 2.5 million for him. 

I stand by he is top earner along with Szmodics and Sigurdsson 

I stand by my original post. I reckon he is our highest earner along with Szmodics and Sigurdsson 

Did we actually pay that much ?   I'm not sure we did at all although the overall deal might reach that much.

Yes he will now be one of our higher earners but no way is he on basic pay of 15k pwk after coming here on half that, They are driving the wage bill down that's the whole idea of moving some of the players on.

15k pwk guys are being replaced by 10k pwk players and and 10pwk journeymen are being replaced by mostly youth on sub 5 grand.

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I wasn’t expecting facts to change your opinion.

You don't know what he was on at Coventry for sure just like me(just guess work) but I am confident he is our top earner now here. 

7 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Did we actually pay that much ?   I'm not sure we did at all although the overall deal might reach that much.

Yes he will now be one of our higher earners but no way is he on basic pay of 15k pwk after coming here on half that, They are driving the wage bill down that's the whole idea of moving some of the players on.

15k pwk guys are being replaced by 10k pwk players and and 10pwk journeymen are being replaced by mostly youth on sub 5 grand.

Yes we did paid for Hyam. You don't know what he is on here. We have our opinions and I stand by mine

[tomphil]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

You don't know what he was on at Coventry for sure just like me(just guess work) but I am confident he is our top earner now here. 

Yes we did paid for Hyam. You don't know what he is on here. We have our opinions and I stand by mine

Some of us base our opinions on the information and facts we know about and apply some logical thinking. Doesn't me we are right but it's likely to be closer to reality than pure guesswork ignoring facts.

[wilsdenrover]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You don't know what he was on at Coventry for sure just like me(just guess work) but I am confident he is our top earner now here. 

Yes we did paid for Hyam. You don't know what he is on here. We have our opinions and I stand by mine

You didn’t mention Brittain in your list of who you think our highest earners are.

Is there a reason why you think he’d be on less than Hyam?

[KentExile]

9 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

You didn’t mention Brittain in your list of who you think our highest earners are.

Is there a reason why you think he’d be on less than Hyam?

My guess would be that Brittain (as well as Szmodics) when we signed them had just been relegated from the Championship

Hyams Coventry had stayed in the division (finished 12th and 5 points behind Rovers in 8th) so could be seen as a safer bet on higher wages (proven that that can do a job in this division)

https://www.google.com/search?q=championship+table+21%2F22&sca_esv=596560865&rlz=1C1RXQR_enGB1071GB1071&sxsrf=AM9HkKl8B89JCgBkJ5nr3DxCO9MWfbYjng%3A1704725529271&ei=GQycZa-aEKXr7_UP3LuNqAc&ved=0ahUKEwjvivK8hc6DAxWl9bsIHdxdA3UQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=championship+table+21%2F22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGGNoYW1waW9uc2hpcCB0YWJsZSAyMS8yMjILEAAYgAQYigUYkQIyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5InQdQAFiEBXAAeAGQAQCYAWqgAfACqgEDMy4xuAEDyAEA-AEBwgILEAAYgAQYigUYhgPiAwQYACBBiAYB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#sie=lg;/g/11r9n1dh31;2;/m/0355pl;st;fp;1;;;

Edited January 8, 2024 by KentExile

[tomphil]

35 minutes ago, KentExile said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/20595301.peterborough-uniteds-praise-sammie-szmodics-professionalism/

Rovers paid Szmodics "life changing money" in the words of Peterborough's chairman. And that was when we signed him, not including his recent new contract

I'd say going from 3 grand a week to 6 could just as easily be classed as life changing money.

[wilsdenrover]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

My guess would be that Brittain (as well as Szmodics) when we signed them had just been relegated from the Championship

Hyams Coventry had stayed in the division, so could be seen as a safer bet on higher wages (proven that that can do a job in this division)

Both defenders, at clubs with similar wage bills, with similar number of championship appearances.

I just don’t see why we’d have offered them different terms.

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Some of us base our opinions on the information and facts we know about and apply some logical thinking. Doesn't me we are right but it's likely to be closer to reality than pure guesswork ignoring facts.

I have based my opinion on the facts and information out there like we paid 2.5m for him, he is best player, age of the player and he is our captain now. 

 

Just now, tomphil said:

I'd say going from 3 grand a week to 6 could just as easily be classed as life changing money.

Or 6k to 12k? 

12 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

You didn’t mention Brittain in your list of who you think our highest earners are.

Is there a reason why you think he’d be on less than Hyam?

Hyam is better player

[wilsdenrover]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I have based my opinion on the facts and information out there like we paid 2.5m for him, he is best player, age of the player and he is our captain now. 

 

Or 6k to 12k? 

Hyam is better player

That’s hindsight though.

I’d say at the point we signed them both they had very similar reputations - that’s what any salary offer would (or at least should) have been based on.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Yep - as predicted a horrendous career move for him, purely motivated by tripling his wages.

I always want former Rovers players to do well, especially when they're liked by the supporters, but you can't help but think this move mirrored Connor Mahoney and Callum Wright's moves to the Premier League. 

Tottenham were never going to play him, we all saw it, but unfortunately it's hard to turn down a move to the Premier League to stay at a club like ours. The annoying thing is that had he stayed with us for another couple of seasons, he would have gained good valuable match experience and would have moved to the Premier League anyway and most likely to play each week there. Now he will bounce around the teams in the Championship on loan (if he does well) until he's sold on when he no longer qualifies as a youngster when Tottenham enter what players need to be registered to play.

[KentExile]

4 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

That’s hindsight though.

I’d say at the point we signed them both they had very similar reputations - that’s what any salary offer would (or at least should) have been based on.

Apart from Hyams reputation did not include a Championship relegation (and subsequent wage decrease) 😉 

[wilsdenrover]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

Apart from Hyams reputation did not include a Championship relegation (and subsequent wage decrease) 😉 

But a club’s relegation doesn’t necessary harm an individual players reputation.

Who knows 🤷‍♂️

It would be far easier if all salaries had to be made public 😁

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

But a club’s relegation doesn’t necessary harm an individual players reputation.

Who knows 🤷‍♂️

It would be far easier if all salaries had to be made public 😁

I wish they were, along with exact structure and breakdown of transfer fees

Edited January 8, 2024 by KentExile

[Tim Southampton Rover]

If they were all suddenly transparent, in particular historical transfers and wages, then I'm sure a lot of clubs might get exposed for dodgy dealings 😂

I think the MLS show their salaries due to various capping rules and regulations. I remember seeing one good player for Seattle Sounders on less than me a year and I felt very sorry for him considering he was one of the better players at the time. 

[tomphil]

34 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I have based my opinion on the facts and information out there like we paid 2.5m for him, he is best player, age of the player and he is our captain now. 

 

Or 6k to 12k? 

Hyam is better player

Yes he'll be on around that now so i'm sure he's more than happy for now because that's a massive uplift inside a few years.

[tomphil]

26 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

But a club’s relegation doesn’t necessary harm an individual players reputation.

Who knows 🤷‍♂️

It would be far easier if all salaries had to be made public 😁

Trouble is at some clubs it would cause issues amongst the players and headaches for the chairmen.

I mean who would be remotely surprised if someone like Markanday was on a lot more than some of our other young players because he came from Spuds with a fee.

[bluebruce]

36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I have based my opinion on the facts and information out there like we paid 2.5m for him,

That isn't a fact that's out there. The fee was undisclosed, as they annoyingly tend to be. Transfermarkt has it as 1.75 million. Footballtransfers.com has it as 1.8 million. Some sources (Cov Telegraph and Covs Live) do say 2.5 mill though, but the Lancs Telegraph and Lancs Live reported 1.5 million, with the LT explicitly saying it was 'lower than the 2.5 million quoted in the national press'.

Incidentally, Brittain was reported at anywhere from 'in excess of 1 million' to 1.5 million, so there might not be much between their fees.