That *was* the January Window

[chaddyrovers]

23 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

What have the cutbacks got to do with us having a policy of signing, or not signing, anyone over the age of 25?

Cos they wouldn't sanction the Batth deal. How many more did they stopped we don't know about it. 

[AJW]

Travis will be off for whatever reason  it appears JDT wants him gone he’s. Club captain rarely starts these days and when he did at the start of the season he got regularly subbed recently he has been played out of position .. right back at Sheffield  while our right back played left midfield and left black last home game when for me Left footed Jake Garret should have played there , all these things add up to a breakdown in the relationship and it wouldn’t surprise me if other players see it as JDT being disrespectful  are being affected by it 

[RoversClitheroe]

54 minutes ago, AJW said:

Travis will be off for whatever reason  it appears JDT wants him gone he’s. Club captain rarely starts these days and when he did at the start of the season he got regularly subbed recently he has been played out of position .. right back at Sheffield  while our right back played left midfield and left black last home game when for me Left footed Jake Garret should have played there , all these things add up to a breakdown in the relationship and it wouldn’t surprise me if other players see it as JDT being disrespectful  are being affected by it 

Can Pickering leave too please? 

[CambridgeRover]

56 minutes ago, AJW said:

Travis will be off for whatever reason  it appears JDT wants him gone he’s. Club captain rarely starts these days and when he did at the start of the season he got regularly subbed recently he has been played out of position .. right back at Sheffield  while our right back played left midfield and left black last home game when for me Left footed Jake Garret should have played there , all these things add up to a breakdown in the relationship and it wouldn’t surprise me if other players see it as JDT being disrespectful  are being affected by it 

Yeah because Travis is shit

[Upside Down]

12 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Another kid, fuck off Brougton, get some proper fellas in, sick of this weak as piss football.

He tried that. The owners put a stop to it.

My suspicion is that was also the case last January. 

[JHRover]

5 hours ago, AJW said:

Travis will be off for whatever reason  it appears JDT wants him gone he’s. Club captain rarely starts these days and when he did at the start of the season he got regularly subbed recently he has been played out of position

I suspect you are right. I've been privately suspicious of his absences for a few weeks now and tonight takes it to a whole new level.

Conveniently he's a senior experienced player, likely now one of our top earners, capable of attracting cash bids from elsewhere as the Millwall/Luton links proved.

Almost as though its all to do with player cost/value/external interest and nothing to do with what is best for Blackburn Rovers.

[JHRover]

5 hours ago, CambridgeRover said:

Yeah because Travis is shit

People were saying the same about Tyler Morton last season. He's now playing every week for a side pushing for the play-offs. Meanwhile we flounder.

Travis will attract attention from elsewhere because he has attributes of value. That's why he's one of a small number who we have that clubs will bid for and that's why they are intent on forcing him out. 

I hope people realise by now that the 'replacement' will be inferior. 

[JHRover]

We will quickly see what this football club is all about in the next couple of weeks.

A serious club with a single ounce of ambition or determination would embrace the opening of the transfer window and use the opportunity to address the serious shortages that we have in our ranks, even if that means a couple of serious loan signings.

Unfortunately we know from hard experience that the January window won't be used for proactive season changing business, and that we will be looking for kids as project signings and holding on hoping for a club to take pity on us with a cheap short term loan e.g. Sorba Thomas last season.

The Club is a joke from top to bottom.

[wilsdenrover]

4 hours ago, JHRover said:

People were saying the same about Tyler Morton last season. He's now playing every week for a side pushing for the play-offs. Meanwhile we flounder.

Travis will attract attention from elsewhere because he has attributes of value. That's why he's one of a small number who we have that clubs will bid for and that's why they are intent on forcing him out. 

I hope people realise by now that the 'replacement' will be inferior. 

He was doing that last season too.

[Waggy76]

21 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Another kid, fuck off Brougton, get some proper fellas in, sick of this weak as piss football.

Me too !

[JHRover]

2 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

He was doing that last season too.

Yes, I suppose the point I am getting at is that last season he was often the one blamed for our issues and problems, but the fact is he played every week in a side pushing for the play-offs just as he is doing this season.

Whatever we have done instead it clearly hasn't worked as we have regressed.

The common theme here is that we often see people being shipped out of Rovers supposedly because they aren't good enough or we can do better but the real motivation is usually financial and the usual outcome in that case is regression sooner or later, as we are now witnessing.

[chaddyrovers]

I think Travis is off in this January window aswell as Markanday on loan. I would also look to get Gallagher off the books if we can cos his wages could be used much better IMO. 

We used the funds to sign 3 or 4 players. 

We need a right winger, striker and defender plus Travis replacement

Edited December 30, 2023 by chaddyrovers

[Leonard Venkhater]

13 hours ago, CambridgeRover said:

Yeah because Travis is shit

Well, I thought he was superb against Watford. Then he was dropped for the next game.

I guess he is being sold?

[AJW]

Travis isn’t shit  , the manager just believes a midfield Duo of Tronstad and Wharton is better at this moment in time  putting Travis in there may free Wharton up to be more creative , a tactic I thought he may have used recently given our lack of numbers/quality in attacking areas but he’d rather put square pegs in round holes than play our club captain in his true position.. for me that’s a sign that JDT doesn’t want him a round anymore and if a bid comes in even a loan , JDT will agree to it

Edited December 30, 2023 by AJW

[47er]

8 hours ago, JHRover said:

People were saying the same about Tyler Morton last season.

Hurst is doing well at Ipswich but was beyond awful here. Same with Branthwaite.

Something wrong here.

[47er]

8 hours ago, JHRover said:

I suspect you are right. I've been privately suspicious of his absences for a few weeks now and tonight takes it to a whole new level.

Conveniently he's a senior experienced player, likely now one of our top earners, capable of attracting cash bids from elsewhere as the Millwall/Luton links proved.

Almost as though its all to do with player cost/value/external interest and nothing to do with what is best for Blackburn Rovers.

Absolutely bleeds blue and white as well. Not happy about this.(and much else).

[Mattyblue]

Branthwaite was just very raw still, he was only 18. Always looked like could improve as a player.

Hirst, well.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Mattyblue

[wilsdenrover]

38 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Branthwaite was just very raw still, he was only 18. Always looked like could improve as a player.

Hirst, well.

Given the improvement people talk about I was surprised to see he’s only scored 6 league goals this season.

Of course I’d be absolutely delighted (and quite frankly astounded) if any of our strikers net that many in the second half of the season.

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Given the improvement people talk about I was surprised to see he’s only scored 6 league goals this season.

Of course I’d be absolutely delighted (and quite frankly astounded) if any of our strikers net that many in the second half of the season.

But Hirst has been first choice for Ipswich all season and now he is missing They will miss him. He has part of them being second in the league

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Absolutely bleeds blue and white as well. Not happy about this.(and much else).

At the end of the day I don't even think football comes into it anymore,

They are just working their way through, offloading anyone and everyone who fits the 'criteria'

The 'criteria' is all to do with age, experience, wages and transfer value.

In the case of Travis he's 27 next year, a contract for a couple more years after this season, he's got bags of Championship experience and is a senior player. 

The events of the last 3-4 years prove that those sort of people get ushered out the revolving door at Brockhall. They aren't interested in the impact this might have on results, performances, morale, leadership. All they are interested in is ideally getting some sort of transfer fee but at the very least a substantial (relatively speaking) wage off the books and avoiding having to offer the same or better terms for a renewal, as this contradicts the massive cost cutting process they have been on.

I suspect that the pound signs started flashing in certain eyes when the Millwall / Luton interest came early last summer, which was rejected as those offers were ultimately dismal for a player of his value, but they probably expected them to return with improved bids and they didn't. 

Looking through the squad now, with the exception of Szmodics and A Wharton he will be one of the few they know they can flog to another club and trouser the proceeds, all whilst cutting the wage bill further and replacing him with a loan or academy graduate.

It has been the way of it for years.....Lenihan, Rothwell, Evans, Dack, Diaz etc. etc.

Gallagher will be the same but unfortunately his injury woes and wage levels might make it impossible to attract buyers at this stage.

I worked this 'project' out a long time ago, yet people still persisted with believing Waggott's lies that we were offering those experienced players bumper contracts. It just isn't the case. They are just working their way down the list, cutting, reducing, diminishing on value, quality, age, wages. Results and league position utterly immaterial to those orchestrating it. 

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, AJW said:

Travis isn’t shit  , the manager just believes a midfield Duo of Tronstad and Wharton is better at this moment in time  putting Travis in there may free Wharton up to be more creative , a tactic I thought he may have used recently given our lack of numbers/quality in attacking areas but he’d rather put square pegs in round holes than play our club captain in his true position.. for me that’s a sign that JDT doesn’t want him a round anymore and if a bid comes in even a loan , JDT will agree to it

Having witnessed Travis giving Mowbray & Venus a mouthful or 2 , during the Bradley Johnson up front game , I suspect he could give JDT similar about the way he wants us to play .

[roverblue]

A 3 man midfield of Travis, Tronstad and Wharton would be really strong as well as allowing the former 2 to harden up our defence and let Wharton roam about with his killer balls.

But that would involved him changing his suicide system so instead we will flog Travis and further weaken an already poor squad.

[Wheelton Blue]

4 minutes ago, roverblue said:

A 3 man midfield of Travis, Tronstad and Wharton would be really strong as well as allowing the former 2 to harden up our defence and let Wharton roam about with his killer balls.

But that would involved him changing his suicide system so instead we will flog Travis and further weaken an already poor squad.

That's what I'd do - play those 3 in the middle to stiffen things up.

[wilsdenrover]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But Hirst has been first choice for Ipswich all season and now he is missing They will miss him. He has part of them being second in the league

I agree they’ll miss him I was just surprised by the number of goals he’d scored.

[bluebruce]

10 hours ago, JHRover said:

Conveniently he's a senior experienced player, likely now one of our top earners, capable of attracting cash bids from elsewhere as the Millwall/Luton links proved.

Almost as though its all to do with player cost/value/external interest and nothing to do with what is best for Blackburn Rovers.

This theory doesn't stack up. If you want to maximise player value and attract bids, you don't reject bids, drop the player and play him out of position.

I think it's fairly obvious Travis has been sidelined because he doesn't really have the technique to play the current style, and this has seen him supplanted by Tronstad.