v Preston North End (h) - 10/11/23

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

I dislike Bolton because of the amount of times they kicked the shit out of us on Manchester road.

Used to hate going to Burnden Park - horrible experience.

Also remember either either 1973 or 1974 when the Bolton mob en masse arrived early on the train in Blackburn town centre.  It was carnage and men against boys as Rovers' fans caught up in it took a real pasting.

[47er]

Don't understand why Burden Park never got a reputation like, say Millwall and the Den.

For the record, I got beaten up  at a Saturday night game there, early 60's when random violence wasn't that common. I was a scrawny kid, the bloke was about mid-20's and a real low life. Definitely the worst ground I've ever been on.

[R0verb0y]

14 hours ago, white boy said:

it does appear that way....lol,,, although without all the the other clubs you wouldn't have been able to beat anybody!

The English football pyramid the best and most interesting in the world.

Erm, well, yeah; it would rather defeat the raison d'etre of most team sports.

Excuse me asking; but what would be the sense of playing most team games without opponents? Isn't that what I'm sure more than a few of us on here might think of as "Claret logic"?!

[windymiller7]

Can't go to this with it being rearranged for a Friday night as I'm DJing as usual. Thankfully the game will be on in the pub so will get to see it.

My daughter's taking a mate of hers with my ST so at least the seat won't be empty. Come on lads don't let me down! There'll be a few Nobbers coming back in after the game & I want to greet them with a smug grin on my face!

2-1 Szmodics & Hill.

[R0verb0y]

Carrying on the theme of rivalries, I've often - sorry! - mentioned that I grew up in Blackpool the proud Blackburnian son of two exiles from the town.

My Dad couldn't get work in Blackburn in the 1930s; but his Mum apparently had a share in a Boarding House in Blackpool so he worked there. And the rules back in those days were that women teachers - and Civil Servants?? - had to resign when they got married. However, they, especially my Dad, made sure I had blue-and-white blood in my veins.

I find this thread a bit amusing for the way that those of us who grew up in "the old Lancashire" - including Merseyside and Greater Manchester - ignored most of the teams based there when it came to looking at rivalries. We never played Oldham Pathetic (as they were known to us) or Rochdull, as the locals seem to pronounce it, so they were never thought of as rivals.

Those rivalries often took subtle forms; for example, I remember that in 1953, once Blackpool had won their F.A. Cup semi-final, it didn't take long for the ⅓ pint of milk we had, Mondays-Fridays at junior school, came in bottles which had tangerine tops, rather than silvery ones.

So in those early days, my main rivals were Blackpool, even though it wasn't till I went to grammar school at the start of the 1957-58 season that we joined them - as well as Bolton, PNE and some other Lancashire team - in "the old Division 1".

That was the school where I made my first acquaintance with lads whose first loyalties were to Bolton, PNE and Burnleh; often because their Dads had come from those towns to the Fylde Coast in search of work. And it was some considerable time later that I discovered there had been another Rovers' fan - subsequently a member of this Board, no less! - at that school.

Right, enough of these rambling reminiscences; tonight's game will be a home win - clinched by the odd goal of three and preferably scored in the 74th minute! 

Edited November 10, 2023 by R0verb0y
Sorry, @jim Mk2; I forgot this is supposed to be a Message Board; not Nostalgia Gulch!

[Oldgregg86]

Growing up in Wigan has made me detest Man U. I learned to hate Burnley over the years but Man U will always be the team I hate the most. It’s in my blood. My family are all Liverpool fans and when I said I’d fell in love with the rovers the only reply I ever got was along as it’s not that lot (referring to Man U)

I always look out for the local results including “ the old Lancashire” as it’s now unfondly put. I want to beat them all more than other random teams but when we are not involved I’d rather they all did well. Blackpool , Wigan, Oldham,Bolton,  bury, Preston . Aslong as it’s not united or Burnley but tonight I will want to win that little bit more to make sure we keep our crown as  the best town team in the land . Maybe that’s why I don’t mind the other Lancashire teams because I know they will never eclipse us no matter how hard they try

Edited November 10, 2023 by Oldgregg86

[ABBEY]

15 hours ago, white boy said:

 

SCHOOLS OUT

Such a well thought out retort your humour is top class scruff.

[GHR]

Bolton Wanderers landed me in hospital a couple of years ago. Thought they were going bust and I detached a lung laughing.

[New Jeru]

45 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Growing up in Wigan has made me detest Man U. I learned to hate Burnley over the years but Man U will always be the team I hate the most. It’s in my blood. My family are all Liverpool fans and when I said I’d fell in love with the rovers the only reply I ever got was along as it’s not that lot (referring to Man U)

I always look out for the local results including “ the old Lancashire” as it’s now unfondly put. I want to beat them all more than other random teams but when we are not involved I’d rather they all did well. Blackpool , Wigan, Oldham,Bolton,  bury, Preston . Aslong as it’s not united or Burnley but tonight I will want to win that little bit more to make sure we keep our crown as  the best town team in the land . Maybe that’s why I don’t mind the other Lancashire teams because I know they will never eclipse us no matter how hard they try

I grew up in Oldham and I never understood why the Latics fans hated Rovers so much.

I went to one of the games in the LDV Vans Trophy because it was free with a voucher from the local paper, and they were all singing about us.  Very confusing as I never once heard Oldham mentioned in Blackburn.

[GHR]

As someone from the slightly newer generation (*) who only really remembers from the League Cup victory onwards, my hierarchy of dislike was always Burnley, then Man United, then Bolton. I'm nowhere near as frequent an attendee as I was as a kid these days, but the reasons perhaps Preston never really land on my radar is that for just over a decade we never played them (unless I've missed some odd Cup tie somewhere). Ditto Blackpool, Wigan in similar regards.

Funnily enough mind, my very first Rovers memory is from the 00-01 season when we went 3-0 at home to PNE in about 20 mins.

(*) - at Watford away this season I clocked from their programme notes on us that I am indeed older than every current Rovers player . That was an eye opener!

[Mattyblue]

31 minutes ago, New Jeru said:

I grew up in Oldham and I never understood why the Latics fans hated Rovers so much.

I went to one of the games in the LDV Vans Trophy because it was free with a voucher from the local paper, and they were all singing about us.  Very confusing as I never once heard Oldham mentioned in Blackburn.

Perhaps because in the 80s and early 90s Rovers/Oldham was often the only local-ish derby (along with City) as the likes of Bolton/Burnley/PNE/Blackpool were languishing in the third and fourth divisions.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Mattyblue

[booth]

16 hours ago, white boy said:

Coventry homes - good solid home win

 

Wasn’t a soft penalty the decider?

[davulsukur]

It was my birthday yesterday, so all I need as a present is 3 points for Rovers!

🎁

[tomphil]

46 minutes ago, New Jeru said:

I grew up in Oldham and I never understood why the Latics fans hated Rovers so much.

I went to one of the games in the LDV Vans Trophy because it was free with a voucher from the local paper, and they were all singing about us.  Very confusing as I never once heard Oldham mentioned in Blackburn.

There was definitely a bit of a rivalry across the 80's when we were the only localish clubs to play each other regularly. I'v'e seen Oldham fans comment on it a few times on various social media.

Probably a bit like there was a bit of on and off pitch stuff developed with Wigan in the Prem years although majority of Rovers fans just probably viewed both as a pain in the arse.  Seeing as results on those grounds have been a bit scarce in those periods.

[AllRoverAsia]

55 minutes ago, New Jeru said:

I grew up in Oldham and I never understood why the Latics fans hated Rovers so much.

I went to one of the games in the LDV Vans Trophy because it was free with a voucher from the local paper, and they were all singing about us.  Very confusing as I never once heard Oldham mentioned in Blackburn.

The last away game I took my Dad to was a defeat at Oldham in the 80s.

I remember his exact words "we were shit but what a fecking dump"

Edited November 10, 2023 by AllRoverAsia

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Growing up in Wigan has made me detest Man U. I learned to hate Burnley over the years but Man U will always be the team I hate the most. It’s in my blood. My family are all Liverpool fans and when I said I’d fell in love with the rovers the only reply I ever got was along as it’s not that lot (referring to Man U)

I always look out for the local results including “ the old Lancashire” as it’s now unfondly put. I want to beat them all more than other random teams but when we are not involved I’d rather they all did well. Blackpool , Wigan, Oldham,Bolton,  bury, Preston . Aslong as it’s not united or Burnley but tonight I will want to win that little bit more to make sure we keep our crown as  the best town team in the land . Maybe that’s why I don’t mind the other Lancashire teams because I know they will never eclipse us no matter how hard they try

Same with me living in Rochdale. Beating the red rats was always number one on my list.

[Polky]

Living in Cottam this is a big game for me.

That 4-1 defeat last season has been erased from my memory. 
 

Let’s just hope that we turn up and put in a good performance.

2-1 Rovers

Dolan, Szmodics and Evans on the scoresheet.

[white boy]

10 hours ago, R0verb0y said:

Erm, well, yeah; it would rather defeat the raison d'etre of most team sports.

Excuse me asking; but what would be the sense of playing most team games without opponents? Isn't that what I'm sure more than a few of us on here might think of as "Claret logic"?!

I think you may be confused what i was looking to suggest in maybe a poor manner was that it TAKES two to tango, ie you may well have won more and more important trophies but without others you would win nothing.  So to make it more simple what i am saying is that its all about the competition itself.

Also could i suggest that history is a matter of opinion for example if i were a dingle i could look back and suggest that Burnley over the last decade have been the most successful team in Lancashire.  I suppose it depends on what agenda to push.

 

My agenda is  i am an old preston boy who supports his home town team and any glory or lack of it does not stop me attending home and away to support my team.    It doesn't matter to me if we are in non league i will still be going........

Edited November 10, 2023 by white boy

[Moptop1]

7 hours ago, R0verb0y said:

Carrying on the theme of rivalries, I've often - sorry! - mentioned that I grew up in Blackpool the proud Blackburnian son of two exiles from the town.

My Dad couldn't get work in Blackburn in the 1930s; but his Mum apparently had a share in a Boarding House in Blackpool so he worked there. And the rules back in those days were that women teachers - and Civil Servants?? - had to resign when they got married. However, they, especially my Dad, made sure I had blue-and-white blood in my veins.

I find this thread a bit amusing for the way that those of us who grew up in "the old Lancashire" - including Merseyside and Greater Manchester - ignored most of the teams based there when it came to looking at rivalries. We never played Oldham Pathetic (as they were known to us) or Rochdull, as the locals seem to pronounce it, so they were never thought of as rivals.

Those rivalries often took subtle forms; for example, I remember that in 1953, once Blackpool had won their F.A. Cup semi-final, it didn't take long for the ⅓ pint of milk we had, Mondays-Fridays at junior school, came in bottles which had tangerine tops, rather than silvery ones.

So in those early days, my main rivals were Blackpool, even though it wasn't till I went to grammar school at the start of the 1957-58 season that we joined them - as well as Bolton, PNE and some other Lancashire team - in "the old Division 1".

That was the school where I made my first acquaintance with lads whose first loyalties were to Bolton, PNE and Burnleh; often because their Dads had come from those towns to the Fylde Coast in search of work. And it was some considerable time later that I discovered there had been another Rovers' fan - subsequently a member of this Board, no less! - at that school.

Right, enough of these rambling reminiscences; tonight's game will be a home win - clinched by the odd goal of three and preferably scored in the 74th minute! 

Oldham have a real hatred for us because of the 80’s and Burnley, Bolton, Preston and Blackpool being in Divison 4. Used to see some real trouble when going over there. Plus it was always cold. Even in August! 😂 

[JohnD]

Ronnie Clayton will always be regarded as one of the greatest players to pull on a Blackburn Rovers shirt. During a gittering career, he captained both club and country

Football legend Sir Tom Finney remembers one particularly crunching tackle in a Preston v Blackburn derby at Deepdale.

The Preston Plumber was sent cartwheeling into the air before thudding onto the ground with blood pouring from his leg and face after Ronnie Clayton tackled him.

“Fizzin’ ‘eck!” wailed Sir Tom as he gingerly picked himself up off the turf with blood dripping from his leg and face.

“Wash your mouth out Finney,” replied Ronnie Clayton with a grin on his face.

Rovers were in charge against their rivals.

The great Sir Tom Finney was Ronnie Clayton’s favourite player – and the pair were friends off the field despite that crunching moment in the heat of a Lancashire derby.

It was football from a different era, and Ronnie was a giant in that different era – but then again, Ronnie would be a giant now and a giant in any era.

To put the death of Ronnie into perspective, the town of Blackburn and the game of football lost one of its true legends in October 2010.

In the modern game, the word ‘great’ is over-used in relation to the modern footballer – the likes of Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard and David Beckham get that tag – they really don’t deserve it.

On the other hand, true greats like Ronnie more than deserved the title, and deserved it delivering with a capital G.

The terribly sad news of Ronnie’s death at the age of 76 sent waves of emotion across East Lancashire as fans of all generations fondly remembered one of the true legends of English football, a man who had the respect and admiration of supporters of all clubs.

Footballing rivalries must be laid to one side on those saddest of days because Clayton was a man the like you simply don’t see in any sport in the modern day, a time when players live in their own celebrity bubbles, miles and miles away from the people who pay their wages.

Clayton was from an era when the fans used to mix with the players in the pub and in the shops, he and his colleagues were the real local heroes.

He played more than 600 first team game for his beloved Rovers – and in that era of hard tackling and almost primitive medical care, that was some major achievement.

But it was more than that. Ronnie Clayton was part and parcel of Blackburn Rovers and will always be remembered as a true legend. No, it is more than that.

Ronnie WAS Blackburn Rovers and because of that, news of his death was particularly poignant at a time when the game is becoming overtaken by money talk and unsavoury behaviour from the so-called modern day stars.

Clayton’s career took him from kicking a ball around in the back streets of Preston to the very peak of the game and captaining his country – but he never ever forgot his roots and never deserted the area that adored him.

You could almost describe him as the father of the town; a town that revolves around the football club; a town that respects its legends.

And those legends respect the town.

Once Clayton turned up to present trophies at Wilpshire Wanderers junior football club, a club he was honorary president of.

Tucked into a carrier bag were his 35 England caps for the children to try on. You can only imagine the thrill on those little faces.

Somehow you can’t imagine that sort of gesture from many of the modern day players.

You also can’t really envisage a modern player running a newsagent’s shop in Darwen’s Blackburn Road while turning out for one of the country’s biggest football clubs and playing as the captain of England.

The story goes that his team-mates used to gently rib the hero, who captained Rovers in the 1960 FA Cup final, because he was often running late for training, making sure the newspapers – of which he was often making the headlines in – were all sorted first.

But when you are as good as Ronnie Clayton was, no-one could complain about little details like that.

After all, this was a man who played alongside Bobby Moore, his great friend Bryan Douglas and Tom Finney and played against the likes of Stanley Matthews, Jimmy Greaves and Pele, who he marked in front of 187,000 fans in Rio de Janeiro.

You would take that on your CV in a flash.

Ronnie Clayton’s debut for Rovers came in 1951, a couple of years after he had arrived at Ewood Park from those Preston back street football grounds with his older brother Ken.

The people who watched that 2-1 Ewood Park win over QPR would not have realised it at the time but they were witnessing the beginning of a legend, a legend that will never ever be forgotten.

By the time he left Ewood Park in 1969, Ronnie had played a quite staggering - and then record - 581 games for his only Football League club, a club that he loved right up until the sad day when he died and weill now love from his seat in the grandstand in the sky.

In 1969 and at the age of 35 Ronnie’s professional career was over.

But he wasn’t finished with football as he dipped his toes into player-management with Morecambe, then of the Lancashire Combination.

After a couple of years, though, Ronnie was back in East Lancashire and turned out briefly for Great Harwood Town.

That was quite simply the biggest moment in Harwood’s history.

And it says much about the man that one of his proudest moments was helping the Showground side along their best FA Cup run, when they reached the first round proper before bravely bowing out to Rotherham United.

Like all young men in the early 50s Ronnie had to forgo his football career for a couple of years because of National Service.

Again, if you suggested that to one of the current crop of millionaires they would assume you had just landed on earth from a totally different universe.

But the game then was from a different universe - and people like Ronnie Clayton were masters of that universe.

The great man will never be forgotten.

Lancashire Telegraph

[white boy]

2 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Growing up in Wigan has made me detest Man U. I learned to hate Burnley over the years but Man U will always be the team I hate the most. It’s in my blood. My family are all Liverpool fans and when I said I’d fell in love with the rovers the only reply I ever got was along as it’s not that lot (referring to Man U)

I always look out for the local results including “ the old Lancashire” as it’s now unfondly put. I want to beat them all more than other random teams but when we are not involved I’d rather they all did well. Blackpool , Wigan, Oldham,Bolton,  bury, Preston . Aslong as it’s not united or Burnley but tonight I will want to win that little bit more to make sure we keep our crown as  the best town team in the land . Maybe that’s why I don’t mind the other Lancashire teams because I know they will never eclipse us no matter how hard they try

I am glad i have found a fellow supporters with the same opinion, as a life long Preston fan i can put my hand on my heart and say that i enjoyed the Jack Walker time and was happy for Rovers to win the Prem.  I can also say that i enjoyed Burnley fight in the prem under Dyche......

 

 

[white boy]

1 hour ago, ABBEY said:

Such a well thought out retort your humour is top class scruff.

I wouldn't say so i think by reading your comments most can see that trying to attempt to have a proper conversation with you and your type would be pointless.

 

But as its matchday im going to try,  If you could if you will take the time to explain both of your comments to me that would be great and make me perhaps be able to understand your mindset.

 

At the moment i believe your a child but perhaps there is another reason your manner is as it is.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by white boy

[Oldgregg86]

12 minutes ago, white boy said:

I am glad i have found a fellow supporters with the same opinion, as a life long Preston fan i can put my hand on my heart and say that i enjoyed the Jack Walker time and was happy for Rovers to win the Prem.  I can also say that i enjoyed Burnley fight in the prem under Dyche......

 

 

You were doing so well until your last sentence 😂

[lraC]

16 minutes ago, white boy said:

I think you may be confused what i was looking to suggest in maybe a poor manner was that it TAKES two to tango, ie you may well have won more and more important trophies but without others you would win nothing.  So to make it more simple what i am saying is that its all about the competition itself.

Also could i suggest that history is a matter of opinion for example if i were a dingle i could look back and suggest that Burnley over the last decade have been the most successful team in Lancashire.  I suppose it depends on what agenda to push.

 

My agenda is  i am an old preston boy who supports his home town team and any glory or lack of it does not stop me attending home and away to support my team.    It doesn't matter to me if we are in non league i will still be going........

I have to say, I admire the fact that you support your local team and place of birth. That's exactly why I support the Rovers.

From at he age of seven I was taken to a game, when we were in the old third division and have loved the club ever since.

I grew up with some of my school friend supporting the likes of Leeds, Liverpool and Man U despite all of them being Blackburn lads, so never quite understood it.

I can proudly say, I am a Blackburn lad and have not got my son and Grandson both following the club and hopefully both still will, long after my passing.

There is nothing wrong with supporting your home town team and fair play for you coming on here and saying so,

Enjoy the match tonight.

[white boy]

4 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

You were doing so well until your last sentence 😂

I have to also admit sadly that enjoyed Blackpool fight in the prem back in early part of the after life...... Sadly i admit to wanting them to stay up and admit i quite liked Hollaway and wouldn't have minded him as our manager...