Venky’s & Waggott Out Protest Ideas

[RoverDom]

19 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Just to reiterate this,

Defamation laws are not to be messed with.

I'm already getting daily alleged ITK messages and it can distract from the goals.

Also remember social media is scanned by many and I don't condone or support threats of violence or activity which could be deemed criminal.

We are questioning quite correctly, experience, competency and ability to perform the functions that certain people are paid to do within the club

We are questioning the perceived  mismanagement and lack of transparency, where supporters appear to be low on the agenda.

We are questioning absent owners and their appetite to take the club forwards.

Legals are already being suggested from those within , so just be careful 

Spot on. Calm considered moves need to be made else we risk losing the moral high ground (and legal). 

Football is very emotional so whilst we've all likely fantasised about some very illegal acts, the calculated approach taken by you / the working group is refreshing and absolutely the right thing to do. Our instinct is to approach this like a MMA match but as you say, this is a game of chess and you're playing it well so big thanks from me (for what little it is worth) 

[47er]

Just now, Rogerb said:

Pure speculation on my part but if the rumour of a player not being paid on time and it only relates to one player is true is this a means of encouraging him out the door in the summer .?

Well it would encourage me!

I don't actually believe it by the way. The football authorities are useless at monitoring club's owners and admin but fail to pay players on time and they are all over you.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

Some news during the night, being alleged 

Michael Cairney's role will be DOF, hence it's not been stated.

Rudy Gestede will replace CEO Waggott at the end of the season.

Ham has been banned from training ground.

Source of information is usually 100%

 

If not all of that is accurate then I hope the only bit that is correct is about Waggott leaving the Club, and hopefully earlier than the end of the season.

I know people bang on about it not mattering who is the CEO is and Waggott only does as he is told etc etc  (cue RF 99) but for me Waggott is pure poison and it will be a very happy day indeed when he finally departs.

I think the owners give Waggott a certain degree of latitude over how he hits his financial targets. I don't believe the owners instruct Waggott to piss a large section of the fan base off and rinse those remaining for as much as he can get. He just does that because it's less hassle for him and his cronies.. A CEO who wanted to hit the same financial targets by getting more people in the ground would at least be a step in the right direction be it Gestede or anyone else.

[lraC]

48 minutes ago, arbitro said:

My understanding is there is an increase built in should the club trigger an extension. 

I was told this by a friend who works as an agent. He represented an ex Rover who the exact same thing happened and his wage increased considerably.

I have a mate who is a former player and current Championship clubs, scout. You almost certainly know him. He has told me similar things.

He scouted and reported on one of our players recently at Ewood. 

[rigger]

2 hours ago, jumpin' said:

Has anyone heard the following over the weekend?

Travis l, Hyam and 3 other 1st team players have been told to look for new clubs due to not being able to afford them.

The u23’s had to hire a minibus to play Liverpool on Saturday at the cost of £160, and Waggott went ‘mad’ at this saying ‘how are we going to pay for that?’

VI is getting rid of the u23’s

A mate just text me all of the above.

We got rid of the U23s last season, (we have U21s) so two of the three are incorrect.

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56 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

This is the time people do need to be careful on spreading rumours because as others have said, if they are untrue they will massively backfire and play into the club's hands:

"Yes half the things they're posting about online and protesting about simply aren't true, we can't take them seriously, they're creating problems that aren't there, they're affecting the team negatively, we all need to be united" etc 

"We all need to be united" maybe this is the problem they thought they were in charge of man United. No one tell we are Rovers??

[jumpin']

16 minutes ago, rigger said:

We got rid of the U23s last season, (we have U21s) so two of the three are incorrect.

He may have meant the u21’s.

[Mattyblue]

The U23s were just reclassified as U21, we’ve never had both concurrently.

[SuperBrfc]

1 hour ago, StHelensRover said:

This is the time people do need to be careful on spreading rumours because as others have said, if they are untrue they will massively backfire and play into the club's hands:

"Yes half the things they're posting about online and protesting about simply aren't true, we can't take them seriously, they're creating problems that aren't there, they're affecting the team negatively, we all need to be united" etc 

Agreed. We need to box clever and avoid the traps. I think certain elements are rattled by what the fans have achieved recently and attempts are being made to discredit us.

Some of these rumours seem mischievous, others potentially malicious.

The ham one in particular stands out as being a trap, due to what has been insinuated by "dark forces" about our fans in the past. It's easy to see how any criticism of the hierarchy based on that particular rumour could be painted.

The only "agenda" in wanting this hierarchy out is, and always has been, the wellbeing of Blackburn Rovers.

[RevidgeBlue]

Can anyone verify Harry Berry's stat (reproduced yesterday by Herbie) that 65% of full price ST revenue is needed just to pay Waggott and Pasha?

If true that is absolutely insane and someone who knows what they're doing on the social media front needs to send a clip of that viral.

[RoverDom]

13 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Agreed. We need to box clever and avoid the traps. I think certain elements are rattled by what the fans have achieved recently and attempts are being made to discredit us.

Some of these rumours seem mischievous, others potentially malicious.

The ham one in particular stands out as being a trap, due to what has been insinuated by "dark forces" about our fans in the past. It's easy to see how any criticism of the hierarchy based on that particular rumour could be painted.

The only "agenda" in wanting this hierarchy out is, and always has been, the wellbeing of Blackburn Rovers.

Makes sense - leak a story, whip the fans up, debunk the rumour and discredit the "trouble makers". 

I find ITKers fun in the transfer thread, usually very little happening so they brighten the place up a touch but in this case unless they're absolutely solid they'll harm the protest.

Be angry but be angry about the right things. If theres a rumour e.g. about players not being payed, it'll come out quick enough in the media by itself. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

25 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Agreed. We need to box clever and avoid the traps. I think certain elements are rattled by what the fans have achieved recently and attempts are being made to discredit us.

Some of these rumours seem mischievous, others potentially malicious.

The ham one in particular stands out as being a trap, due to what has been insinuated by "dark forces" about our fans in the past. It's easy to see how any criticism of the hierarchy based on that particular rumour could be painted.

The only "agenda" in wanting this hierarchy out is, and always has been, the wellbeing of Blackburn Rovers.

Well said.

I think Glen's current group has the right strategy. Don't make any claim that cannot be substantiated, 

Meanwhile, other forms of protest can have a bit of fun...

[Forever Blue]

5 hours ago, lraC said:

Careful, you may be accused of posting tittle - tattle.

I know that will be bang on though and cheers for posting it.

Turns out it wasn’t ’bang on’ and was indeed tattle-tattle. 

As I said earlier, and others have said since, the club will be looking for anything to discredit protestors. Best not to give them reasons to.

[roversfan99]

If there is any truth in Waggott retiring, and it was my first assumption when I saw that the increase wasnt in his wage but his pension which has been slightly misreported. Then it is of course very good news to be rid of that waster.

But nothing much I dont think will change overall. He will be replaced by Gestede who is a total novice only with experience of shadowing Waggott. Waggott was preceded by other people in similar positions who did similar if not somehow worse. Gestede will follow and again do as the owners ask.

It may make people wrongly feel like the increase in dissent has led to Waggott retiring and that the problem is at least partially fixed. If hes retiring especially seeing as the pension increase in the accounts was prior to June 2024, then it was happening anyway. Merely removing him wont solve our issues, Venkys still remain and until that changes, neither will our woes.

[Forever Blue]

That’s why thee needs to be a plan beyond just getting rid of the lackeys employed by the Owners. Gestede may well prove to be worse than Waggott. He strikes me as arrogant, and he’s already broken his promise to communicate with the fans.

[JHRover]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

If there is any truth in Waggott retiring, and it was my first assumption when I saw that the increase wasnt in his wage but his pension which has been slightly misreported. Then it is of course very good news to be rid of that waster.

But nothing much I dont think will change overall. He will be replaced by Gestede who is a total novice only with experience of shadowing Waggott. Waggott was preceded by other people in similar positions who did similar if not somehow worse. Gestede will follow and again do as the owners ask.

It may make people wrongly feel like the increase in dissent has led to Waggott retiring and that the problem is at least partially fixed. If hes retiring especially seeing as the pension increase in the accounts was prior to June 2024, then it was happening anyway. Merely removing him wont solve our issues, Venkys still remain and until that changes, neither will our woes.

Very true. My expectation is that the Club will dress up this changing of the guard and reshuffle as a 'new era' and attempt to convince people that changes have been made to address the issues of the last few months / years.

Unfortunately we still have a lot of fools in the fanbase who will convince themselves that the problems have been solved / addressed. 

Owners still remain. Stooge 1 curtain twitcher still remains. Dysfunction still reigns. Waggott gets his golden handshake and Rudy is promoted again to the 'top' job just 12 months after being on work experience. Ludicrous. 

[martonrover]

We could do with hiring Led by Donkeys to take control of the information screens / scoreboards within the stadium.

[rigger]

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If there is any truth in Waggott retiring, and it was my first assumption when I saw that the increase wasnt in his wage but his pension which has been slightly misreported. Then it is of course very good news to be rid of that waster.

But nothing much I dont think will change overall. He will be replaced by Gestede who is a total novice only with experience of shadowing Waggott. Waggott was preceded by other people in similar positions who did similar if not somehow worse. Gestede will follow and again do as the owners ask.

It may make people wrongly feel like the increase in dissent has led to Waggott retiring and that the problem is at least partially fixed. If hes retiring especially seeing as the pension increase in the accounts was prior to June 2024, then it was happening anyway. Merely removing him wont solve our issues, Venkys still remain and until that changes, neither will our woes.

A journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step. 

[K-Hod]

We could obviously do better than Steve Waggott as our CEO.

But we could also do worse and I think Rudy Gestede would absolutely be that.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

We could obviously do better than Steve Waggott as our CEO.

But we could also do worse and I think Rudy Gestede would absolutely be that.

 

I'm going to have to disagree strongly with that statement.

You might as well say "We could obviously have better owners than Venky's but we could also do worse".

[toogs]

1 hour ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Well said.

I think Glen's current group has the right strategy. Don't make any claim that cannot be substantiated, 

Meanwhile, other forms of protest can have a bit of fun...

Tell the truth, and keep telling the truth.

[roversfan99]

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I'm going to have to disagree strongly with that statement.

You might as well say "We could obviously have better owners than Venky's but we could also do worse".

Assuming Waggott does, do you forsee/anticipate a significant improvement in the running of the club?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Assuming Waggott does, do you forsee/anticipate a significant improvement in the running of the club?

It couldn't be any worse.

If Waggott could charge 3,000 season ticket holders 1k each he'd  be over the moon with that.

[Herbie6590]

16 hours ago, funny-old-game said:

Glen. Do you think Venkys are now just using us to offset profits from their other businesses?

No…this is a myth…been dealt with on here on multiple occasions as well as the podcast. 

[RoverDom]

I've always found it odd that people think losing 15-20m per year is financially advantageous.