Venky’s & Waggott Out Protest Ideas

[JHRover]

Waggott also claimed that his contract was direct with the ownership group. That can't be correct, if he is an employee and director of BRFC then his contract of employment must be with BRFC as the club pays his wages.

[bluebruce]

7 hours ago, toogs said:

Every little helps.
 

Last look the YT video had had 10k views. How does that compare to the LET comments section? Which seem to be perceived as carrying a lot of weight on here. 
 

The YT video is an official production from the club and the comments are universally negative against the club.
 

The comments are so negative, I doubt they will be using that media channel outlet again any time soon. 

Whilst the video is there, people can link to it and say “read the comments”  

So reacting to the video does serve a purpose. 

Unless you mean thumbs down in isolation doesn’t do anything other than influence the algorithm, then I agree. 
 

But do comment people!

I'm saying the thumbs down doesn't work. It doesn't counteract a thumbs up. It's basically there for your own satisfaction. It influences the algorithm in one way - it affects what you, the person who left the thumbs down, may see in future. It doesn't affect other people's algorithms.

Comments are useful though.

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, StHelensRover said:

More absolute lunacy on the latest LT article about the sale of the club. 

Again, just one post in support of the club being sold about about 20 in favour of the owners.

We should register en masse for the LT and pack the comments with the truth. We need to dictate the narrative towards accuracy and moving on from these charlatans.

[damo100]

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Good to see them rattled but I cant see anything changing.

They just say the same things, the owners clearly arent interested but they claim they are. Lots of excuses, lots of hot air, lots of waffle.

The work done in the last week has been excellent in at least rattling them although I do think there is maybe a little lack of direction regarding the next step. Depressingly feels like a lost cause though, the only solution is an ownership change and it wont happen.

That's the spirit 

[StHelensRover]

4 minutes ago, MCMC1875 said:

From the WATR newsletter:

"Yasir Sufi also told us to forget about re-engagement with lapsed fans, and that getting the new generation of support in was where their priorities lay."

Shocking statement. A terrible, terrible mistake.
The potential of re-engagement with lapsed fans was there for all to see at the Burnley game on 4 January - 3 sides of the ground full. Idiots.

This was my thought as well.

What a stupid comment if that is what he said. There was about 23-24000 home fans on for the B*rnley match. There is no question some of them would love to come back more regularly if they thought there was some ounce of hope and pride in their club.

[lraC]

6 minutes ago, MCMC1875 said:

From the WATR newsletter:

"Yasir Sufi also told us to forget about re-engagement with lapsed fans, and that getting the new generation of support in was where their priorities lay."

Shocking statement. A terrible, terrible mistake.
The potential of re-engagement with lapsed fans was there for all to see at the Burnley game on 4 January - 3 sides of the ground full. Idiots.

There will be a new fan from the third generation of my family born in June and his brother my current Grandson, is a fan, due to me.

For all those who have walked away, these generations will be missed and lost forever. It is vital that those who love the club, but hate the regime, are targeted for a return, which is unlikely, until they sell. 

[arbitro]

23 minutes ago, MCMC1875 said:

From the WATR newsletter:

"Yasir Sufi also told us to forget about re-engagement with lapsed fans, and that getting the new generation of support in was where their priorities lay."

Shocking statement. A terrible, terrible mistake.
The potential of re-engagement with lapsed fans was there for all to see at the Burnley game on 4 January - 3 sides of the ground full. Idiots.

Just as they have put season ticket prices up for under 12's and under 18's  by as much as 77%.

I wish some of them would think before speaking.

[rigger]

18 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Just as they have put season ticket prices up for under 12's and under 18's  by as much as 77%.

I wish some of them would think before speaking.

I am glad they don't.

Give them enough rope....

Edited April 2 by rigger

[Wheelton Blue]

17 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Just as they have put season ticket prices up for under 12's and under 18's  by as much as 77%.

I wish some of them would think before speaking.

It beggars belief.

These people supposedly run a multi-million turnover business.

[Wheelton Blue]

2 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Here’s Rory from the 4000 Holes podcast…👏👏👏

https://x.com/rorylarmer/status/1907376617216672054?s=46&t=cjTtFiLH6Hff-zlAsQbAUg

@glen9mullan As a suggestion, perhaps this could be turned into some 'marketing material' for the protest movement?

There's lots of to-the-point straplines in here.

[rigger]

47 minutes ago, MCMC1875 said:

From the WATR newsletter:

"Yasir Sufi also told us to forget about re-engagement with lapsed fans, and that getting the new generation of support in was where their priorities lay."

Shocking statement. A terrible, terrible mistake.
The potential of re-engagement with lapsed fans was there for all to see at the Burnley game on 4 January - 3 sides of the ground full. Idiots.

I hope it was pointed out to them that the so called new generation of supporters, would probably not be allowed to go, without an older supporter

[davulsukur]

50 minutes ago, MCMC1875 said:

From the WATR newsletter:

"Yasir Sufi also told us to forget about re-engagement with lapsed fans, and that getting the new generation of support in was where their priorities lay."

Shocking statement. A terrible, terrible mistake.
The potential of re-engagement with lapsed fans was there for all to see at the Burnley game on 4 January - 3 sides of the ground full. Idiots.

Read this earlier. Couldn't agree more, an absolutely shocking statement to make. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

In a previous meeting with the Rovers executive team, Suhail Pasha/Sheikh told us that: 
 
“The biggest mistake we (Venky’s) ever made was listening to Steve (Waggott) and Fraser (Read) and reducing season tickets by £30. What do you want next year, a reduction of £150?”

 

If you were in any doubt as to how much these Owners are out of touch with the fanbase then there you go.

Edited April 2 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[StHelensRover]

7 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

In a previous meeting with the Rovers executive team, Suhail Pasha/Sheikh told us that: 
 
“The biggest mistake we (Venky’s) ever made was listening to Steve (Waggott) and Fraser (Read) and reducing season tickets by £30. What do you want next year, a reduction of £150?”

He deserves hounding out for that comment alone, nevermind the decade of disaster he has presided over

[rigger]

7 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

In a previous meeting with the Rovers executive team, Suhail Pasha/Sheikh told us that: 
 
“The biggest mistake we (Venky’s) ever made was listening to Steve (Waggott) and Fraser (Read) and reducing season tickets by £30. What do you want next year, a reduction of £150?”

What was the answer to this question. Mine would have been: If that is what it takes to make the tickets value for money, YES.

[StHelensRover]

Another metric of 15 years of failure could be that we're one of only 4 teams out of the 92 who have not played at Wembley since it re-opened in 2008. Some have played there against Spurs, many have made it to cup finals, semi-finals, play-offs etc... BUT NOT US! We're rubbing shoulders with Ipswich (who have had fantastic recent success), Accy and er.. Colchester.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/every-football-league-team-not-played-new-wembley

[Waggy76]

26 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

Another metric of 15 years of failure could be that we're one of only 4 teams out of the 92 who have not played at Wembley since it re-opened in 2008. Some have played there against Spurs, many have made it to cup finals, semi-finals, play-offs etc... BUT NOT US! We're rubbing shoulders with Ipswich (who have had fantastic recent success), Accy and er.. Colchester.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/every-football-league-team-not-played-new-wembley

Preston? 

[Salgados Hair]

2015 L1 Play Off Final.

[MarkBRFC]

13 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

Preston? 

Preston played there in the 2015 league one play off final.

[sharpysharps86]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

@glen9mullan As a suggestion, perhaps this could be turned into some 'marketing material' for the protest movement?

There's lots of to-the-point straplines in here.

I agree. This is one of, if not THE most definitive things I've seen of someone pulling apart the last 15 years in such a direct way. I think its brilliant.

[TimmyJimmy]

Watched the interview, there's just so much you could write about it but a message board isn't the place to write essays so I'll try to precis what I think but I know it's going to be a dissertation, apologies:

- As strangers and away from football I'd happily have a drink and a game of arrows with all of them, they 'seem' decent guys.

- Witnessing their work over the years the kindest word I can find though is naive, a stronger one is incompetent.

- The admin cock-ups of the last few seasons is unforgivable and as owner I'd fire Waggott/Suhail Shaikh, although I shouldn't have to as they should have walked by now.

- That's easy for me to say though because they have to earn a wage, feed and shelter their families and with their track record other opportunities would be few and far between.

- How would a competent board deal with Venkys ownership, it's an impossible task, no one could succeed, it's a hiding to nothing, another reason to walk.

- Venkys run things as a star/hub business model, each business has a Venky family appointee with delegated authority to do what it takes to 'twine the handle', manage to pre-assigned budgets and they take update reports periodically to consider the various additional funding requests.

- Venkys have zero understanding of football, they treat it like any other business in the group.  IT IS NOT A BUSINESS VENKYS, ITS A FOOTBALL CLUB!

- Anyone who thinks success comes from running a development model and 'renting/leasing' players is deluded and shouldn't be anywhere near a football club and certainly not OURS (yes it's ours not yours).

- What I want from an owner is honest dealings, transparency, share our passion for the club, respect it's history and strive for the highest level.  Excite us and give us a reason to buy a season ticket

- Venkys don't and never will understand this and for this reason the Waggott/Suhail/Gestede axis will never get beyond painting happy time pictures and future promises of excitement that can never arrive.

The only fix is for Venkys to sell. Nothing else works, nothing else matters. As passionate as I am about the club even I couldn't run it properly with those people in charge.

[Displaced Rover]

1 hour ago, StHelensRover said:

Another metric of 15 years of failure could be that we're one of only 4 teams out of the 92 who have not played at Wembley since it re-opened in 2008. Some have played there against Spurs, many have made it to cup finals, semi-finals, play-offs etc... BUT NOT US! We're rubbing shoulders with Ipswich (who have had fantastic recent success), Accy and er.. Colchester.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/every-football-league-team-not-played-new-wembley

Don’t worry, only a few years until we’ll have a chance. 2028 League Two play offs anyone….?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

"As strangers and away from football I'd happily have a drink and a game of arrows with all of them, they 'seem' decent guys"

 

To put it bluntly I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on Fire.

[...]

Rory from 4000 holes bullet points it well in that video. 

it's not about getting to the Premier League anymore. It's not even about beating Burnley (ok it is) 

It's about a town that was proud of its heritage and about the people in it. 

It's about showing passion and pride, 

Something that is alien to alot of us these days.

It's about walking down livesey branch road and Bolton road 15 abreast singing with all your heart because you've saved and slaved all week for that moment.

It's about looking around you seeing familiar faces heading into the turnstile,

waiting for the lads to come out the tunnel your heart beating with pride as the Famous Blue and White halves emerge across the Crest, where great men once stood.

It's about looking back on our clubs history saying, yep this is who we are. With black and white images of our founders past players and grainy footage of good looking gentleman playing the wonderful English game.

It's about knowing that your club is older than some of the greatest teams in the world.

It's about seeing uncle Jacks statue on match days, a constant reminder that "just for a while we were the best"

It's about looking across the droves of fancs shouting "Blue n White Army"!!!  in unison, making you buzz and excited for the next play on goal.

It's about wanting to return to being a football fan again and not just someone that turns up to watch football because its something to do on a Saturday.

It's about WANTING to be there knowing you are part of something wonderful.

I want those days back,

We want those days back.

We need a fresh start and start again.

SUCCESS NEEDS TO COME FROM PASSION, LOVE AND PRIDE OTHERWISE SUCCESS MEANS NOTHING.

It is and always has been...

 

ROVERS

TIL I DIE. 

 

 

Edited April 2 by ...

[DutchRover]

Been a reader but never a poster here for a while, finally decided to join as a member. I applaud the actions taken by Glen et al, the fact that Waggott, Suhail and Gestede felt the need to go on such a press push yesterday shows the plan to pressure on them is working.

Frankly some of the excuses they gave were embarrassing, they bank entirely on fans not understanding how FFP works or looking at the registered accounts which as others have highlighted disprove Suhail's statements on the funding. 

Suhail did effectively confirm that the owners aren't interested in funding anything above daily running costs. When asked in the Lancs interview if now "barriers are lifted" on funding we will see transfers like Brereton or Gallagher again he just said no the owners don't want that but are committed to funding value transfers.

Likewise as someone posted in the other thread, Gestede's 5 targets are notably the positions where we are not renewing current players on higher wages.

The "we're close to renewing contracts" boxes them in, because I just cannot see them doing anything until the end of the season when they will go cap in hand and ask Venkys to keep the lights on for another year.

Frankly, the major positive from yesterday is their phrasing that the owners have "not asked us to look for a buyer"; they did not deny willingness to sell as they have done in the past. They also sketched out in surprising detail what they wanted to hear from a prospective buyer, implying that they would expect the debt to be paid of (c.300 million according to Waggott) alongside the value of the club. Others with more knowledge can comment on such matters but it is a small light.

Keep up the good work.