Venky’s & Waggott Out Protest Ideas

[miqaayil]

17 minutes ago, ... said:

This was something I thought about the other day are we championship bound or lower because of that premier league spotlight that draws attention?

Lower can't justify the loss ...championship is sweet spot.

[SuperBrfc]

12 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I was busy Tuesday evening and couldn't bring myself to watch it yesterday, just listened and what a depressing half hour it was.

Apologies if Im repeating points made elsewhere but key points I took:

Suhail confirmed beyond doubt that there is no longer any impediment to owners funding the Club. Interviewer should have pressed him further on why, if that was the case,  have they not been doing so. The obvious answer is they simply don't want to.

 

The trio did a second interview with Andy Bayes. It was over an hour long and Bayes did a better job with his line of questioning than Neil Yardley, IMO. He pressed them a few times on certain matters and asked direct questions on behalf of the fans. At a couple of stages, Bayes became frustrated with some of the responses.

I don't know if you have seen this interview, but the link is below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0l1r3yl

At around 14:40 above, Pasha says there are no restrictions on funds being sent from India, the owners can send as much as they wish. To which Andy Bayes replies "I think supporters will find that hard to believe having seen the Adam Wharton money come in and one twentieth of that fee being spent". Have a listen up until the 16 min mark. During which Pasha again says there is no restriction on funding from India.

However, the key point starts at 18:40. Bayes ask him to make it crystal clear that every time the Court case is adjourned in India it has no impact whatsoever on the money coming into Blackburn from India. He clarifies there is no impact at all, but importantly at 19:15 he says "there is some restriction currently, in terms of the owners have to give a guarantee for every pound they give us, but we're trying to work on this and see what we can do". He goes on to say that the club has received around £18m from the owners over the past two years which has been backed by a pound guarantee.

It feels to me as though they don't want to send funds, whilst that guarantee stipulation remains. I know the argument has been going back and forth on here, but if they still have to obtain a No Objection Certificate and back every pound sent with a guarantee, then aren't those two factors impediments? I don't think we can say they can send without restriction, but that's just my reading of it.

 

Edited April 3 by SuperBrfc

[miqaayil]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

Iv'e long suspected a mill or two goes through the tube elsewhere every year, though not illegally there'll be loopholes and ways and means to filter a bit out.

No one is telling me English football doesn't have a Non Bio element the UK is the money laundering capital of Europe and as long as it isn't drug or terror related a lot will slip through loopholes via City of London, mainly tax avoidance stuff.

However even if a decade of bleeding has been going on there has to be an upper limit to it the SBI and co won't just keep extending facilities when very little flows back.

its a solid blanket facility ...not a growing one ...i believe its nearly milked dry with all repeated losses over the year... hence the training ground and sales of assets not reinvested. 

No jurno asking the million dollar question .... "Who does the funds invested into BRFC belongs too ? If the funds are venky's GOOD,CLEAN AND CLEAR , why does judiciary refuse you to send your GOOD,CLEAN and CLEAR funds to your business without a pound for pound guarantee as collateral to the HC" 

then you ask EFL, how they cleared fit & proper test

[Tomphil2]

I'd say having to pay their govt a 20% levy on foreign money transfer is the biggest issue.

It's ok Waggot saying whilst there is money coming in from transfers they don't need to send any but that is the real issue they should still be underwriting the bills and allowing a large chunk of transfer income for re-investment whilst we have the chance.

There is always an obstacle to that though it seems, that money should be going into the next AA, the next Sammy, the next Dack but it isn't it's paying bills and being spaffed on wages for likes of Dennis, Sanderson, Forshaw and numerous loans.

We'll never go forwards until that kind of investment is made, speculate to accumulate.

[Andy]

7 hours ago, den said:

Amateurs 

This is what it all comes back to.

We've employed amateurs and we're being run by amateurs.
The outcome is inevitable.

I didn't expect much from Gestede to start with, but listening to his podcast interview with the LET reporter (who I thought asked some good questions, in fairness), it left me gobsmacked at how poor his responses were and how he came across.

Just imagine what we could do with a senior management team who a) knew what they were doing and b) cared more about the club than their own salary/pension/career prospects.

[Herbie6590]

8 hours ago, Tom said:

I loved Rory’s video, i was tempted to go back to twitter just to tell him as much but im not doing that.

I love how intentional or not it invoked the tone of the Jack Walker poem ‘it’s not about x, it’s about y’ 

I’ve kept him appraised & chastised him for not saving it for our next podcast episode 😆

[miqaayil]

The TCS tax you talking about does not apply to them... i believe ... it's a instrument and LTV situation ...a misuse of said funds triggered this witch hunt...

[martonrover]

24 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

The trio did a second interview with Andy Bayes. It was over an hour long and Bayes did a better job with his line of questioning than Neil Yardley, IMO

Neil Yardley works for the club, so Lorraine would’ve been a tougher interviewer.

[Herbie6590]

5 hours ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

I think the legacy fan comment, if true, is something I can't past.  You can see me in my picture, proud as hell, sporting the blue and white halves.  I've been attending EP (with some breaks) since around 1970 when I was seven years old.  I gave up this year I'm afraid, being so distraught about how the club is run.

Maybe a BRFCS "legacy fan" t-shirt would be seller.

Always looking for design suggestions for the new season…👍

[...]

11 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Always looking for design suggestions for the new season…👍

Have a few ideas....

[Herbie6590]

21 minutes ago, ... said:

Have a few ideas....

Email media@brfcs.com please…

[chaddyrovers]

14 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Gestede should have been pulled up on his comment that once Eustace decided he'd like to speak to Derby, there was "nothing we could do". Should have been asked to specify if we made any attempt at all to keep him by offering him a new deal or agreeing to address his concerns on players contracts.

Gestede was asked by Elliott Jackson about this and Gestede said nothing like that was discussed if my memory serves me right

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gestede was asked by Elliott Jackson about this and Gestede said nothing like that was discussed if my memory serves me right

If one of that trio of muppets told me that water was wet, or the sky was blue, I would have doubts

[Andy]

Gestede said that it wasn't discussed to his knowledge, or that he wasn't party to that discussion.

Whilst it's clear that Eustace wasn't interested in staying whatsoever, it's also clear that the club 'had him in the departure lounge' as soon as he showed interest in speaking with Derby.

Look how it's panned out.

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, SuperBrfc said:

The trio did a second interview with Andy Bayes. It was over an hour long and Bayes did a better job with his line of questioning than Neil Yardley, IMO. He pressed them a few times on certain matters and asked direct questions on behalf of the fans. At a couple of stages, Bayes became frustrated with some of the responses.

I don't know if you have seen this interview, but the link is below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0l1r3yl

At around 14:40 above, Pasha says there are no restrictions on funds being sent from India, the owners can send as much as they wish. To which Andy Bayes replies "I think supporters will find that hard to believe having seen the Adam Wharton money come in and one twentieth of that fee being spent". Have a listen up until the 16 min mark. During which Pasha again says there is no restriction on funding from India.

However, the key point starts at 18:40. Bayes ask him to make it crystal clear that every time the Court case is adjourned in India it has no impact whatsoever on the money coming into Blackburn from India. He clarifies there is no impact at all, but importantly at 19:15 he says "there is some restriction currently, in terms of the owners have to give a guarantee for every pound they give us, but we're trying to work on this and see what we can do". He goes on to say that the club has received around £18m from the owners over the past two years which has been backed by a pound guarantee.

It feels to me as though they don't want to send funds, whilst that guarantee stipulation remains. I know the argument has been going back and forth on here, but if they still have to obtain a No Objection Certificate and back every pound sent with a guarantee, then aren't those two factors impediments? I don't think we can say they can send without restriction, but that's just my reading of it.

 

In a nutshell that's it. They can't send whatever they want as they did previously.

As @JHRover said previously, there's a difference between being allowed to send over moneys to cover running costs and being allowed to send over millions for 'investment'. That's how their initial request to send over £18 million got whittled down to £3.5 million. When they were allowed to send over the ~£11 million they had to provide a breakdown of where that money was going. As @miqaayil has said, the investigation was brought about by suspected misuse of funds and these restrictions are a part of that.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the transfer money runs out. We must keep up the pressure and keep venkys in the media spotlight.

The pressure reached a point where they sold the house, there's going to be a breaking point whereby the have to sell the club. We need to force this situation ourselves as nobody else is going to.

[roverandout]

[Upside Down]

7 minutes ago, roverandout said:

What's the other video that everyone is on about? The fan response one. I haven't seen it.

[roverandout]

Just now, Upside Down said:

What's the other video that everyone is on about? The fan response one. I haven't seen it.

Not sure

[Upside Down]

3 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Not sure

Rory or something I think people are saying.

[glen9mullan]

Hopefully everyone enjoying the coalition new video,

As we debunk the myth of a minority 

[simongarnerisgod]

loving the p.r media spin by the not so holy trinity,they be definately rattled imo,you would`nt hear a peep out of them if it was`nt for the genius idea of asking them not to attend matches😆

[SuperBrfc]

There are a couple of things in that Andy Bayes interview that have bothered me which I want to highlight. Some might say I'm looking into it too forensically and that there's likely nothing in it. Which might be a fair point. However, I don't trust these people one bit.

Here is the link for the Andy Bayes interview again:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0l1r3yl

1) Have a look at 33:35 of the interview where there is a very good question from Andy. He asks Rudy how much of a say Eustace had in the six January signings and mentions John calling them "club signings" and not "he/they are my signings".

At 33:53, Andy then goes on to say "it more left an undercurrent that other people were signing the players that he didn't necessarily want, how true would you say that would be?".

When he asks the above, about other people signing the players, just watch how Pasha fixes his gaze on Gestede. He (Pasha) then breaks out into a wry smile before quickly taking the smile off his face. That jumped out at me right away when I saw it, because of the history under this ownership and the things that many of us have discussed here in the past. I might be reading too much into it, but feel free to have a look for yourselves and see what you think. IMO, that smile could be an example of duper's delight.

2) At 1:13:21, Rudy is giving a closing message to the fans, talking about how we have seven games left and we all need to be united. Take a close look at 1:13:42. When Rudy says it's time for us all to stick together and fight for the same goal, which is to give the players the chance to reach the highest position possible, watch how Pasha shakes his head when hears those last few words, as if he is saying no. Am I imagining this? Check it out. I appreciate some may think this is looking too far into things, but we are all aware that this is not a normal ownership or hierarchy we are dealing with. This has been a 15 year circus.

On an unrelated note to the points on Pasha, if anybody wants to see Waggott squirming and talking nonsense before admitting that Andy Bayes is right, have a look/listen from 58:27. The context is players being out of contract. Minutes before this Bayes states that the number of players soon to be out of contract must be of concern as their values are diminishing. At 58:27 Bayes mentions that there were a great number of new contracts sorted out under Broughton and that since he has left that has stopped happening. Just listen to the waffle Waggott comes out with in response and see how flustered he gets, before admitting Andy has got a point.

Fair play to Andy Bayes. This lot are way out of their depths and should be nowhere near our club.

Edited April 4 by SuperBrfc

[Hasta]

44 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

What's the other video that everyone is on about? The fan response one. I haven't seen it.

 

[SuperBrfc]

7 minutes ago, Hasta said:

 

First time I'm seeing that. That is fantastic, heartfelt and to the point. He's got it all covered.

There will be outsiders asking why we are unhappy with these owners and the three stooges. They only need to see that clip to get a picture. As do the like of Simon Jordan and others who have zero knowledge of the situation but like to label us 'entitled'.

Top stuff, Rory.

[roverandout]

Well done Rory.