Venky’s & Waggott Out Protest Ideas

[DuffsLeftPeg]

49 minutes ago, Claytons Left Boot said:

Certainly is. Burnley Bob. Most of the younger ones on here won’t know that.

Despite his longevity here, supposedly a Clarette. 

This explains everything. He’s a Dingle who has plotted the entire thing! 😆

[robbojohnno]

Ive had a think about it and I got it slightly wrong with my initial opinion that the fans should all just stick to asking for venkys out. Although that is the end game, it can get twisted by the club and certain elements of the media so what we should be asking for are two things and two things only.

1. Owners that engage and show up at the stadium occasionally (minimum once a season).
2. A competent senior management team and coaching staff. At present we have Suhail who has never had a job in football prior to here, Waggott who has been at Coventry during arguably their worst years, Charlton the same and also Northampton, Gestede who has just finished work experience and now lands a top championship head of football operations role and Yasir Sufi who has gone from club sec at soccerdome and dissolved marketing business to head of commercial at a Championship club. You've then got David Lowe who has gone from an u23 coach to first team coach and Ben Benson from Carlisle u18s gk coach to our senior team goalkeeper coach and set piece coach at Championship level. All of these people would almost certainly not see an opportunity present itself at this level or even the level below at a functional club in my opinion.

If we had the above two things, engaged owners and a competent hierarchy, most fans would be very happy. No demands for money, no demands for premier league football, just engaged owners and a competent board/coaching staff.

[Mike E]

18 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

More groups signed up to coalition today, leaving just 2 left in WATR and SAS .

If these two join up then that's every group under one banner as momentum grows.

Thank you to everyone putting so much work in to hold these people to account for what they've done to our club 

Have WATR actually been invited to join up? Has someone from your side reached out?

[Neal]

Not sure where the fans are with the protests but in my opinion... There needs to be a clear focus on the end goal... SELL THE CLUB. 

 

Whilst I enjoy seeing the fans direct their discontent with Waggot, Gestede and Pasha... they're just pawns being used as a barrier for the 'owners'. I know the fans are acting on the "express yourself' moto but I fear the anger is being diluted and shifted away from the real problem. 

 

We all know this can't be fixed. We simply just want to get back to some sort of normality in whatever division it might be. 

 

Eventually it needs more direction and focus on what we want... We need a SELL THE CLUB campaign. 

 

That message couldn't any simpler or clearer. 

Edited Wednesday at 16:27 by Neal

[Tomphil2]

29 minutes ago, robbojohnno said:

Ive had a think about it and I got it slightly wrong with my initial opinion that the fans should all just stick to asking for venkys out. Although that is the end game, it can get twisted by the club and certain elements of the media so what we should be asking for are two things and two things only.

1. Owners that engage and show up at the stadium occasionally (minimum once a season).
2. A competent senior management team and coaching staff. At present we have Suhail who has never had a job in football prior to here, Waggott who has been at Coventry during arguably their worst years, Charlton the same and also Northampton, Gestede who has just finished work experience and now lands a top championship head of football operations role and Yasir Sufi who has gone from club sec at soccerdome and dissolved marketing business to head of commercial at a Championship club. You've then got David Lowe who has gone from an u23 coach to first team coach and Ben Benson from Carlisle u18s gk coach to our senior team goalkeeper coach and set piece coach at Championship level. All of these people would almost certainly not see an opportunity present itself at this level or even the level below at a functional club in my opinion.

If we had the above two things, engaged owners and a competent hierarchy, most fans would be very happy. No demands for money, no demands for premier league football, just engaged owners and a competent board/coaching staff.

It's already been twisted by Waggot who offered the opinion it was all before my time but there's always this under current that surfaces whenever we have a bad run !

So for me the points WHY we are unhappy needs constantly pushing and that narrative needs writing to head off the 'owners have invested 2/300 million, 20 million a season to keep us going you'd be out of business without them look at Bury look at Bury'

Sick of hearing that crap and he and the rest should never ever get away with writing their own narrative.

Forget the recent past even there's enough in the last few years to piss off virtually every remaining fan and the catastrophic fall off this season is mostly down to low/poor reinvestment and another good coach liked by fans and worshipped by most of the squad has left due to issues with the people in the background.

That is the narrative that needs pushing imo.

 

Edited Wednesday at 16:30 by Tomphil2

[Claytons Left Boot]

24 minutes ago, robbojohnno said:

Ive had a think about it and I got it slightly wrong with my initial opinion that the fans should all just stick to asking for venkys out. Although that is the end game, it can get twisted by the club and certain elements of the media so what we should be asking for are two things and two things only.

1. Owners that engage and show up at the stadium occasionally (minimum once a season).
2. A competent senior management team and coaching staff. At present we have Suhail who has never had a job in football prior to here, Waggott who has been at Coventry during arguably their worst years, Charlton the same and also Northampton, Gestede who has just finished work experience and now lands a top championship head of football operations role and Yasir Sufi who has gone from club sec at soccerdome and dissolved marketing business to head of commercial at a Championship club. You've then got David Lowe who has gone from an u23 coach to first team coach and Ben Benson from Carlisle u18s gk coach to our senior team goalkeeper coach and set piece coach at Championship level. All of these people would almost certainly not see an opportunity present itself at this level or even the level below at a functional club in my opinion.

If we had the above two things, engaged owners and a competent hierarchy, most fans would be very happy. No demands for money, no demands for premier league football, just engaged owners and a competent board/coaching staff.

Best of luck with that one robbo.

With all due respect, I don’t think you’re reading the room.

It’s Venky’s Out and the Three Stooges Out at all costs.

[glen9mullan]

12 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Have WATR actually been invited to join up? Has someone from your side reached out?

Yes 

[robbojohnno]

1 minute ago, Claytons Left Boot said:

Best of luck with that one robbo.

With all due respect, I don’t think you’re reading the room.

It’s Venky’s Out and the Three Stooges Out at all costs.

This is what I am asking for but in a way that stops us being portrayed as entitled football supporters. 

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10 minutes ago, robbojohnno said:

This is what I am asking for but in a way that stops us being portrayed as entitled football supporters. 

But we are entitles. We pay the rent.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, Neal said:

Not sure where the fans are with the protests but in my opinion... There needs to be a clear focus on the end goal... SELL THE CLUB. 

 

Whilst I enjoy seeing the fans direct their discontent with Waggot, Gestede and Pasha... they're just pawns being used as a barrier for the 'owners'. I know the fans are acting on the "express yourself' moto but I fear the anger is being diluted and shifted away from the real problem. 

 

We all know this can't be fixed. We simply just want to get back to some sort of normality in whatever division it might be. 

 

Eventually it needs more direction and focus on what we want... We need a SELL THE CLUB campaign. 

 

That message couldn't any simpler or clearer. 

Indeed. Whilst any positive change seems a long way off, and getting shut of one or more of the stooges seems by far the easiest option, I think it is important that the focus needs to be on the owners, not their stooges. 

I predict that in the coming months they will probably turn on each other and Waggott/Gestede will be sacrificed in a desperate bid to protect the owners and their dogsbody from further grief. I hope if that happens people don't see that as job done and a new era being born. 

The aim/target here must be to remove the root cause of our ills - the owners - and the rest follows quickly. Removing the symptoms of the disease - the stooges - just sees the problems come back again later in a different form. The roots have to be pulled out or it is at best a temporary reprieve.

People near me last night suggested that they'd be content if we removed Waggott/Gestede and then got the owners back involved somehow so that they came to games and spoke to fans. No no no. Too late for that.

[Exiled_Rover]

3 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Indeed. Whilst any positive change seems a long way off, and getting shut of one or more of the stooges seems by far the easiest option, I think it is important that the focus needs to be on the owners, not their stooges. 

I predict that in the coming months they will probably turn on each other and Waggott/Gestede will be sacrificed in a desperate bid to protect the owners and their dogsbody from further grief. I hope if that happens people don't see that as job done and a new era being born. 

The aim/target here must be to remove the root cause of our ills - the owners - and the rest follows quickly. Removing the symptoms of the disease - the stooges - just sees the problems come back again later in a different form. The roots have to be pulled out or it is at best a temporary reprieve.

People near me last night suggested that they'd be content if we removed Waggott/Gestede and then got the owners back involved somehow so that they came to games and spoke to fans. No no no. Too late for that.

I gather the plan* is to remove Waggott / Gestede / Suhail AND the owners, but the removal of the first three will have to happen before we're sold. 

It's going to be chaotic and bloody for a while as they turn on each other if everything goes to plan. 

 

*I could be wrong

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, robbojohnno said:

This is what I am asking for but in a way that stops us being portrayed as entitled football supporters. 

Nobody can look at the money invested in this football team in the last 5 years and say we're entitled. 

It's a bare bones squad of free agents and Academy players. 

If people want a coherent argument to that accusation just show them the last 5 years of transfer incomings and outgoings (including managers!) and back it up with pictures of how fucking filthy the stadium is. 

[Bronzed A Donis]

1 hour ago, robbojohnno said:

This is what I am asking for but in a way that stops us being portrayed as entitled football supporters. 

I know what you're trying to say I think. If Venkys aren't going anywhere the very minimum should be getting the best out of competent management rather than Z lost losers. We just want everyone working here to want the best.

Sadly that wont happen, I refer you back to your first point. The name above the door invited the riff raff in.

 

[Rogerb]

Just my opinion but I suspect Suhail will be recalled to India a new bod will be installed.. Waggott will retire to be replaced by Gestede and the circus continues.

[Upside Down]

It's really simple.

Venkys Out.

Sell up and sod off.

All these cretins that are roaming around Ewood still trying to figure out how to tie their shoes are only there because of the people who employ them.

Forget about Swag, Shadow Man and the tea boy, our aim and goal is to get rid of Venkys.

As for Rob Coar, he's just a complete fucking coward. If he sits next to them in the directors box then he's one of them. So fuck him, the venky prick.

6 hours ago, lsp82 said:

https://x.com/KidderStNoise/status/1909939394821189846?t=C-hu6pU-5yERWud8bCXwLA&s=19

🤣 That's absolutely brilliant.

[miqaayil]

Again i would like to inform ....the lynchpin is Suhail Pasha ....he should be the first target ...he's the only constant from the bid to buy brfc and he's association with Kentaro does not seem ended. The club will be sold once he's out. the look on his face when the banner PASHA OUT came up was priceless 

[Neal]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

People near me last night suggested that they'd be content if we removed Waggott/Gestede and then got the owners back involved somehow so that they came to games and spoke to fans. No no no. Too late for that.

 

Which is why I've tried to push the "not a penny more" agenda. There will always be these willing to eat shit and have 0 fucking perspective of what has happened to the club over these 15 years and you'll never get these people to effectively protest. 

 

The message has to be short, simple and clear. 

 

SELL THE CLUB. 

 

You're done, no more chances, no exceptions, no gestures, changes, statements.... LEAVE. 

[glen9mullan]

To follow up on @Mike Equestion earlier

WATR Have again been asked tonight to join the coalition which only themselves and SAS are not part of.

They have stated "there stance has not changed, they don't want to work collectively"

It's disappointing, I'm sure they have their reasons. 

We move forwards, for change

[martonrover]

4 minutes ago, Neal said:

 

Which is why I've tried to push the "not a penny more" agenda. There will always be these willing to eat shit and have 0 fucking perspective of what has happened to the club over these 15 years and you'll never get these people to effectively protest. 

 

The message has to be short, simple and clear. 

 

SELL THE CLUB. 

 

You're done, no more chances, no exceptions, no gestures, changes, statements.... LEAVE. 

Nailed.

[Upside Down]

18 minutes ago, miqaayil said:

Again i would like to inform ....the lynchpin is Suhail Pasha ....he should be the first target ...he's the only constant from the bid to buy brfc and he's association with Kentaro does not seem ended. The club will be sold once he's out. the look on his face when the banner PASHA OUT came up was priceless 

In terms of on the ground figures he's the one to target, but the ultimate aim is ridding us of the chicken pox.

We need to not let ourselves be placated by them simply rearranging people around.

Venkys Out

Sell Up & Sod Off

[AAK]

This whole ownerships stinks, from the moment they got abused when they attended ewood (rightly so) they’ve never appeared again but “still love the club” FUCK OFF. it’s stunk since day one, anyone with a brain can see that. I really can’t help but feel a part of it is on purpose because they didn’t like how they were treat early on, I’m fucking sick of em. They’re taking the piss out of us all and shitty protests need to be ramped up big time.

Edited Wednesday at 20:38 by AAK

[RoversClitheroe]

44 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

To follow up on @Mike Equestion earlier

WATR Have again been asked tonight to join the coalition which only themselves and SAS are not part of.

They have stated "there stance has not changed, they don't want to work collectively"

It's disappointing, I'm sure they have their reasons. 

We move forwards, for change

What's there reason to not join?

I don't understand why they exist? 

[Mike E]

9 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

What's there reason to not join?

I don't understand why they exist? 

I may be right or wrong, but I’d put forward a couple of reasons:

1. It’s an about turn from the critical friend stance, so would likely require a mandate from their membership.

2. The Trust has lots of ties to the Football Governance Bill (Tracey Crouch even used some prose directly lifted from submissions by Trust members), and it would be professionally difficult to simultaneously be in prime position to form a shadow board AND adversarial towards the club regardless of anyone’s personal feelings.

3. There are rules and regulations that govern what WATR is actually allowed to do (and crucially HOW to do it) due to their specific status as a company/charity (I’m not knowledgeable enough on the specifics).

Other groups do not have the above to contend with and are essentially fan groups.

If there were one group I would understand not explicitly breaking with the club JUST NOW (I’m certain there are straws that would shatter this camels multiple herniated discs), it is WATR.

I would hazard a guess that their AGM (can’t be far off now? June ish?) will be something for people to look out for if there is any stance change.

 

Edited Wednesday at 21:28 by Mike E

[glen9mullan]

32 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I may be right or wrong, but I’d put forward a couple of reasons:

1. It’s an about turn from the critical friend stance, so would likely require a mandate from their membership.

2. The Trust has lots of ties to the Football Governance Bill (Tracey Crouch even used some prose directly lifted from submissions by Trust members), and it would be professionally difficult to simultaneously be in prime position to form a shadow board AND adversarial towards the club regardless of anyone’s personal feelings.

3. There are rules and regulations that govern what WATR is actually allowed to do (and crucially HOW to do it) due to their specific status as a company/charity (I’m not knowledgeable enough on the specifics).

Other groups do not have the above to contend with and are essentially fan groups.

If there were one group I would understand not explicitly breaking with the club JUST NOW (I’m certain there are straws that would shatter this camels multiple herniated discs), it is WATR.

 

I'd challenge some of the above, but like you don't know the reason and won't quote what was said to departing board members.

It's a coalition of supporter groups, some of which are also legal entities and charities .

Members have not been balloted or an stance seaked 

I'm very clear what can and can't be done by the trust as former secretary, whilst aiding their inception. Standing side by side with supporter groups is not against the mandate.

The club have reached out and are desperate to get sat down with the coalition , whilst cancelling their meetings with the trust.

Right now the clubs focus is the power in numbers which has lit the issues up in lights.

Edited Wednesday at 21:59 by glen9mullan

[glen9mullan]

23 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

What's there reason to not join?

I don't understand why they exist? 

I don't want to create division, at a time where unity is growing.

Duncan leaving the Trust is disappointing, and hope he's at the AGM to reconsider his position.

Some Trust board members i also talk to and I don't think it's a total no, just a majority no.

Obviously Katie now helping the coalition of groups and has been a breath of fresh air.

Bargaining chips are out the window with the club as the voices of discontent growing louder,