Venky’s & Waggott Out Protest Ideas

[lraC]

6 hours ago, SuperBrfc said:

Are you expecting or fearing racist chants? Is that what you are getting at? Because that's the only conclusion that can be drawn from you randomly mentioning Laurie Cunningham.

If that is your concern, you're probably the only one thinking that might happen.

To my knowledge, in all the years of anti Venky chants (not that they have happened often) there has never been racism involved. Their race has never been the issue. You don't need any of us to tell you that.

Just remember who planted that particular seed before the media...about Rovers fans having a 'dark agenda' or whatever term that scumbag used.

You probably recall, as I suspect most people do (probably the odd one doesn’t’) that the fans were accused of being racist, by a certain individual, who got access to the media and ensured, that we did not get the right to reply. The same person, also cried on TV after the same nasty fans, drove his son, out of the club, without giving him, the chance to showcase his talent, because after all he was good enough to secure a premier league players contract and was good enough to play for any premier league team, outside of the top five. 

That same person, also made phone calls to one of the posters on here, that were totally unsolicited and that fellow poster was threatened, followed around the ground,his pregnant  wife was assaulted and he was offered hush money.

He did go to the police too, again, as many on here will recall, although some, seem to be blissfully unaware, of these things. 

Edited 13 hours ago by lraC

[Mashed Potatoes]

14 hours ago, ... said:

What do you propose we do MP? What's your spin on this

1. First I wouldn't make things worse. I can't see the owners divesting themselves of ownership because of a few tennis balls. Any criminal behaviour by supporters would reduce the likelihood of the authorities intervening on the supporters' side. The most concerted series of actions against an owner have taken place at Reading but the owner concerned is still there which does demonstrate the very limited likelihood of protests achieving anything.

2. The most likely source of moving the owners on is in India, by Indians instigated by Indians. Because of the UK's past colonial relationship with India a bunch of Englishmen trying to tell the Indians that they've got it all wrong will only lead to improving levels of support for Venky's in India.

3. The Football Governance Bill is currently passing through Parliament. It includes a requirement that the club meet on a regular basis with a representative group of fans. Precisely how the new Regulator will expect this to work is not yet clear but my one positive suggestion on this matter is that those supporters on this messageboard who want something done should put themselves forward to be in that representative group.

[Mattyblue]

3) BRFCS members will put themselves forward, like they do now on the FF - it will make what difference to far away owners that behave like how you describe in 2)?

[47er]

15 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

1. First I wouldn't make things worse. I can't see the owners divesting themselves of ownership because of a few tennis balls. Any criminal behaviour by supporters would reduce the likelihood of the authorities intervening on the supporters' side. The most concerted series of actions against an owner have taken place at Reading but the owner concerned is still there which does demonstrate the very limited likelihood of protests achieving anything.

2. The most likely source of moving the owners on is in India, by Indians instigated by Indians. Because of the UK's past colonial relationship with India a bunch of Englishmen trying to tell the Indians that they've got it all wrong will only lead to improving levels of support for Venky's in India.

3. The Football Governance Bill is currently passing through Parliament. It includes a requirement that the club meet on a regular basis with a representative group of fans. Precisely how the new Regulator will expect this to work is not yet clear but my one positive suggestion on this matter is that those supporters on this messageboard who want something done should put themselves forward to be in that representative group.

Well that should shake them!

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

3) BRFCS members will put themselves forward, like they do now on the FF - it will make what difference to far away owners that behave like how you describe in 2)?

We don't yet know precisely how this is going to work. But it is part of a statutory process which may or may not allow access to the office of the Independent Regulator which in turn may lead to something. All rather vague at the moment I know but getting concerned supporters in the room cannot be a bad thing - with a statutory process in place the authorities will expect supporters to make use of it if they have concerns. 

[Mattyblue]

So you’ve no idea on the mechanics, but everybody should sit on their hands until there is a fan/club meeting at some undefined point in the future.

[arbitro]

7 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

We don't yet know precisely how this is going to work. But it is part of a statutory process which may or may not allow access to the office of the Independent Regulator which in turn may lead to something. All rather vague at the moment I know but getting concerned supporters in the room cannot be a bad thing - with a statutory process in place the authorities will expect supporters to make use of it if they have concerns. 

There are already moves afoot by the top clubs and people in the HOL for the Independent Regulator to be scrapped or at the very least to have any proposed power scaled down. It was included in the Kings Speech in June and as yet nothing has happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6077532/2025/01/21/football-governance-bill-lisa-nandy/

https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/new-independent-regulator-english-football-announced-kings-speech

[lraC]

34 minutes ago, arbitro said:

There are already moves afoot by the top clubs and people in the HOL for the Independent Regulator to be scrapped or at the very least to have any proposed power scaled down. It was included in the Kings Speech in June and as yet nothing has happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6077532/2025/01/21/football-governance-bill-lisa-nandy/

https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/new-independent-regulator-english-football-announced-kings-speech

The club could well be deal and buried, before anything happens with governance and regulation

There is the usual political spin being made, but the real agenda, is not to sort this out, but more akin to votes being secured.

[davulsukur]

On 25/01/2025 at 22:35, scotchrover said:

Here’s one for you all- the owner’s son’s on Instagram… and his account’s public.

Wasn't this guy supposed to be taking over the reigns from his dear old pop? Unless it already did happen? 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

So you’ve no idea on the mechanics, but everybody should sit on their hands until there is a fan/club meeting at some undefined point in the future.

The mechanics are yet to be disclosed so I would need to be a clairvoyant to have an idea what they are. Anarchy has not worked at Reading so why anybody would think it would work here puzzles me especially when a due process is being put in place.

[Mattyblue]

I know you’ve no idea so maybe waiting until some undefined thing with an undefined TOR appears (or doesn’t) isn’t exactly a plan.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

20 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I know you’ve no idea so maybe waiting until some undefined thing with an undefined TOR appears (or doesn’t) isn’t exactly a plan.

 

It's pre-planning. Get the concerned supporters ready to roll for when the fans group is put in place.

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

1. First I wouldn't make things worse. I can't see the owners divesting themselves of ownership because of a few tennis balls. Any criminal behaviour by supporters would reduce the likelihood of the authorities intervening on the supporters' side. The most concerted series of actions against an owner have taken place at Reading but the owner concerned is still there which does demonstrate the very limited likelihood of protests achieving anything.

2. The most likely source of moving the owners on is in India, by Indians instigated by Indians. Because of the UK's past colonial relationship with India a bunch of Englishmen trying to tell the Indians that they've got it all wrong will only lead to improving levels of support for Venky's in India.

3. The Football Governance Bill is currently passing through Parliament. It includes a requirement that the club meet on a regular basis with a representative group of fans. Precisely how the new Regulator will expect this to work is not yet clear but my one positive suggestion on this matter is that those supporters on this messageboard who want something done should put themselves forward to be in that representative group.

So basically, do nothing and hope it all gets better.

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

So basically, do nothing and hope it all gets better.

That is clearly not what I have said.

What do you propose ?

[SuperBrfc]

9 hours ago, lraC said:

You probably recall, as I suspect most people do (probably the odd one doesn’t’) that the fans were accused of being racist, by a certain individual, who got access to the media and ensured, that we did not get the right to reply. The same person, also cried on TV after the same nasty fans, drove his son, out of the club, without giving him, the chance to showcase his talent, because after all he was good enough to secure a premier league players contract and was good enough to play for any premier league team, outside of the top five. 

That same person, also made phone calls to one of the posters on here, that were totally unsolicited and that fellow poster was threatened, followed around the ground,his pregnant  wife was assaulted and he was offered hush money.

He did go to the police too, again, as many on here will recall, although some, seem to be blissfully unaware, of these things. 

Yes, all true. The racism angle started and was spread from one camp. I have seen it implied once more not long ago, indirectly, by a person on twitter who is connected to said camp.

It was a year or two ago when anger was building towards Venky's on here and there were protest ideas being discussed. It might have been when this thread started.

Anyway, the twitter coward put out something like "unconscious racism, that's what it is". No context, no explanation given. Random tweet. I believe it was a response to the discussion on here at the time, as he has been known to read this forum.

The carbed one suddenly hinting at racist chants being a concern for him is certainly odd and raises eyebrows.

There are Rovers fans out there that are against protests and want to try other routes. I have never seen/heard them mention that as being a reason though.

Also, this "wait until the Regulator is in place" advice, feels very much like the "jam tomorrow" scenario that we have seen under this hierarchy time and again. A scenario which never arrives, but keeps the fans waiting.

[lraC]

5 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Yes, all true. The racism angle started and was spread from one camp. I have seen it implied once more not long ago, indirectly, by a person on twitter who is connected to said camp.

It was a year or two ago when anger was building towards Venky's on here and there were protest ideas being discussed. It might have been when this thread started.

Anyway, the twitter coward put out something like "unconscious racism, that's what it is". No context, no explanation given. Random tweet. I believe it was a response to the discussion on here at the time, as he has been known to read this forum.

The carbed one suddenly hinting at racist chants being a concern for him is certainly odd and raises eyebrows.

There are Rovers fans out there that are against protests and want to try other routes. I have never seen/heard them mention that as being a reason though.

Also, this "wait until the Regulator is in place" advice, feels very much like the "jam tomorrow" scenario that we have seen under this hierarchy time and again. A scenario which never arrives, but keeps the fans waiting.

The carbed one. Brilliant.