Venky’s & Waggott Out Protest Ideas

[RevidgeBlue]

7 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Well, you would…..

Don’t forget, under these owners, every time we don’t think it can get any worse, it does.

’We can’t get any worse than Henning Berg. We can’t get any worse than Michael Appleton’.

’Well, he’s a bad player, but he can’t be any worse than Elliott Ward’.

 

The main point was that I think Gestede would be a worse CEO than Waggott and I don’t rate the latter at all.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

What exactly has Waggott done during his lengthy tenure at the Club that Gestede (or anyone else for that matter) couldn't do far better?

The only positive I can possibly attribute to him is the appointment of Eustace - if indeed that was down to him.

Against that we've got things like (and I'm sure it's not an exhaustive list)

Removing affordable seating and raising prices during the pandemic for a season where no-one could attend and reducing the ST base to 2.5k at the time

Repeatedly failing to tie key players down to contracts resulting in them walking out for nothing.

The Matchday Waggott tax.

Trying and failing to underhandedly push through the sale of the training ground on the sly.

The recent January transfer window deadline day debacles of O Brien and Mcguire. Would have been bad enough once  but twice!

Allowing two very promising managers to become unhappy and in the second instance leave for a relegation threatened Club. Adult season tickets down to 4k in the midst of all this.

Really poor staff retention in general at the Club.

But yeah.......Gestede (or A.N Other) are bound to be worse. How could they possibly compete with a record like that.

Lol.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

 

This needs retweeting, reproducing and reposting everywhere Ian.

Absolutely scandalous. I said many years ago that we're not really a football Club anymore, we're just a place where certain people go to get paid.

Or overpaid perhaps more to the point.

[roversfan99]

A lot of those things are down to Venkys though, not Waggott. He is an incompetent cretin whose departure we all will welcome but most of those things are issues with the owners and common themes beyond Waggott.

Tomasson left after "the project changed." Any ambitions of promotion were totally smashed apart when the owners mid summer changed and aggressively slashed the budget. Eustace also seemingly had similar issues. Neither left because of things Waggott did.

Also its impossible to pin the failed transfers specifically to him. Broughton got some blame, secretaries did. But this has happened before any of these people were here. It once happened with DJ Campbell I think too.

Was the training ground stuff specifically Waggott? 

His ticket policies if indeed he has had the primary say have been dreadful for sure. But across the board, our problems stem from the owners. We are better off with him gone, but with a novice who has "shadowed" him for a bit as his only experience taking over, and crucially the same owners in situ, is it going to make any difference? Until they go, its shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.

[martonrover]

2 hours ago, Neal said:

If they really wanted to try and get SOME of the fans back onside, they should be looking at sacking Val asap and replace him with a aspiring league 1 manager ASAP....

 

We know that won't achieve shit but putting myself in their shoes, it's their best and only play IMO. 

Or, hey, I know this is quirky, but how about stumping up for one of the decent managers who was available when we appointed this no - mark?

[LeftWinger]

47 minutes ago, Tom said:

...and we’ve triggered a contract extension for a pack of Billy Bear Ham?

Beyond our budget

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

A lot of those things are down to Venkys though, not Waggott. He is an incompetent cretin whose departure we all will welcome but most of those things are issues with the owners and common themes beyond Waggott.

Tomasson left after "the project changed." Any ambitions of promotion were totally smashed apart when the owners mid summer changed and aggressively slashed the budget. Eustace also seemingly had similar issues. Neither left because of things Waggott did.

Also its impossible to pin the failed transfers specifically to him. Broughton got some blame, secretaries did. But this has happened before any of these people were here. It once happened with DJ Campbell I think too.

Was the training ground stuff specifically Waggott? 

His ticket policies if indeed he has had the primary say have been dreadful for sure. But across the board, our problems stem from the owners. We are better off with him gone, but with a novice who has "shadowed" him for a bit as his only experience taking over, and crucially the same owners in situ, is it going to make any difference? Until they go, its shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.

Of course Waggott is a massive part of the problem.

He's absolutely on cruise control heading into retirement. He's doing the absolute bare minimum to hit the financial targets set by the owners (which apparently appear to be to invest £0 into the club).

A proactive CEO employs experts to engage with the local (and surrounding - which is where the vast majority of our support comes from if we're honest) community to get as many bums on seats as possible. Instead he's let fans drift away and fleeces the remaining hardcore.

A proactive CEO allows his Director of Football to reinvest half of the money we received from A. Wharton into new L1 / L2 (and I guess failed PL Academy graduates) signings so we build on the windfall and kick on as a team (with said players also viewed as saleable assets). Instead he was happy to piss off the manager, piss of the DoF and lump all of that money into the financial targets he has to hit. 

A proactive CEO tries his hardest to keep Eustace happy - a man who was turning water into wine. Instead he released a bitter, petty club statement accusing Eustace of being disloyal and replaced him with a cheap clown.

He's a horrible CEO and, by all accounts, a horrible man. 

 

Edited April 1 by Exiled_Rover

[K-Hod]

6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I can't believe I'm reading this.

What exactly has Waggott done during his lengthy tenure at the Club that Gestede (or anyone else for that matter) couldn't do far better?

The only positive I can possibly attribute to him is the appointment of Eustace - if indeed that was down to him.

Against that we've got things like (and I'm sure it's not an exhaustive list)

Removing affordable seating and raising prices during the pandemic for a season where no-one could attend and reducing the ST base to 2.5k at the time

Repeatedly failing to tie key players down to contracts resulting in them walking out for nothing.

The Matchday Waggott tax.

Trying and failing to underhandedly push through the sale of the training ground on the sly.

The recent January transfer window deadline day debacles of O Brien and Mcguire. Would have been bad enough once  but twice!

Allowing two very promising managers to become unhappy and in the second instance leave for a relegation threatened Club. Adult season tickets down to 4k in the midst of all this.

Really poor staff retention in general at the Club.

But yeah.......Gestede (or A.N Other) are bound to be worse. How could they possibly compete with a record like that.

Lol.

I can't believe you're struggling to grasp a simple point that I'm making.

I know that he's been a poor CEO, Simon.

I know all those things are rubbish, but I'm saying Rudy Gestede could be even more rubbish.

Hope this helps 👍.

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6 hours ago, StHelensRover said:

Does anyone have an inkling of what they're expecting Pasha to say tomorrow, if he's speaking to media?

Unless he's announcing the club is for sale, does anyone care too much? I'm not that interested in hearing him trying to apologise for, justify or explain any of the awful decisions and situations he is responsible for, if that is his approach.

The thing is we get to see what he comes out with. If he sounds the same as the club statement, if he makes some more promises they can't keep....

[Upside Down]

Can we change the thread title to Venkys Out, Suhail Out?

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Of course Waggott is a massive part of the problem.

He's absolutely on cruise control heading into retirement. He's doing the absolute bare minimum to hit the financial targets set by the owners (which apparently appear to be to invest £0 into the club).

A proactive CEO employs experts to engage with the local (and surrounding - which is where the vast majority of our support comes from if we're honest) community to get as many bums on seats as possible. Instead he's let fans drift away and fleeces the remaining hardcore.

A proactive CEO allows his Director of Football to reinvest half of the money we received from A. Wharton into new L1 / L2 (and I guess failed PL Academy graduates) signings so we build on the windfall and kick on as a team (with said players also viewed as saleable assets). Instead he was happy to piss off the manager, piss of the DoF and lump all of that money into the financial targets he has to hit. 

A proactive CEO tries his hardest to keep Eustace happy - a man who was turning water into wine. Instead he released a bitter, petty club statement accusing Eustace of being disloyal and replaced him with a cheap clown.

He's a horrible CEO and, by all accounts, a horrible man. 

 

Its Venkys who wont allow half of the Wharton money into signings, not Waggott. And its that lack of investment that particularly pisses managers off.

Take him out and put in another CEO and we dont suddenly start reinvesting sales proceeds.

Its good if he goes because he isnt a good CEO but Venkys are and always have been the problem.

[Lancaster Rover]

The fact that we are even having an argument over whether Rudy Gestede will be a better CEO just about says it all. In no normal club would it even be considered that Gestede would hold any role other than ambassador or player liaison.
 

(in any normal club a player who fucked us during his playing career would be nowhere near for a start)

[davulsukur]

11 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

Media interviews with the shadow, 

Unbelievable that you guys have managed to draw this guy out from the shadows after just 1 media release.

Not sure what the club hope it will achieve though? Just empty words and broken promises from the bloke. Too little, too late from them.

Edited April 1 by davulsukur

[G Somerset Rover]

14 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Unbelievable that you guys have managed to draw this guy out from the shadows after just 1 media release.

Not sure what the club hope it will achieve though? Just empty words and broken promises from the bloke. Too little, too late from them.

I’d wager a fair few fans don’t even know who he is.

That being said, I’ve no doubt some (one or two on here even…) will be lapping up the absolute drivel he’s about to speak though. 

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Can someone post a link to the broadcast if it happens? Thanks might not get time to listen at work

[Ianrally]

Interesting that the Sheffield Wednesday problems have been highlighted nationally on the BBC Football web site by the BBC Radio Sheffield football correspondent. Obviously a man not frightened by any backlash from the club. 
Over to you Andy Bayes to put the spotlight on our owners nationally, or are you running scared?

[RoverDom]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its Venkys who wont allow half of the Wharton money into signings, not Waggott. And its that lack of investment that particularly pisses managers off.

Take him out and put in another CEO and we dont suddenly start reinvesting sales proceeds.

Its good if he goes because he isnt a good CEO but Venkys are and always have been the problem.

But in the past we've got money out of the Venkys - Gallagher, Brereton etc. It's a bit of both, you've got the venkys not putting the money and you've got the CEO happy to trundle along and collect his paycheck. 

A good CEO would have gone to the venkys and said "let us have 30% of it, we'll reinvest it in these players who will help us kick on on the pitch and we'll be able to sell one of them in a couple of seasons for big bucks". A good CEO would quit after not being backed continually - not sit back and collect his pension. 

 

[MarkBRFC]

9 hours ago, StHelensRover said:

Does anyone have an inkling of what they're expecting Pasha to say tomorrow, if he's speaking to media?

Unless he's announcing the club is for sale, does anyone care too much? I'm not that interested in hearing him trying to apologise for, justify or explain any of the awful decisions and situations he is responsible for, if that is his approach.

He certainly won't be doing that.

[BlackburnEnd75]

9 hours ago, StHelensRover said:

Does anyone have an inkling of what they're expecting Pasha to say tomorrow, if he's speaking to media?

Unless he's announcing the club is for sale, does anyone care too much? I'm not that interested in hearing him trying to apologise for, justify or explain any of the awful decisions and situations he is responsible for, if that is his approach.

There isn't anything he could say that would convince me that the owners don't need to go but I am curious as to what he will say.

I suspect he'll inadvertently add fuel to the fire.

[DuffsLeftPeg]

49 minutes ago, G Somerset Rover said:

I’d wager a fair few fans don’t even know who he is.

That being said, I’ve no doubt some (one or two on here even…) will be lapping up the absolute drivel he’s about to speak though. 

They’ll know after the interview, which is almost guaranteed to be disastrous if it happens.

It’ll be Prince Andrew levels of incredulity and I’m here for it 🍿 🍿 🍿 

[JHRover]

18 minutes ago, Ianrally said:

Interesting that the Sheffield Wednesday problems have been highlighted nationally on the BBC Football web site by the BBC Radio Sheffield football correspondent. Obviously a man not frightened by any backlash from the club. 
Over to you Andy Bayes to put the spotlight on our owners nationally, or are you running scared?

It all comes down to the bills and wages. As long as they are paid on time then the media keep relatively quiet. The minute there are tales of unpaid wages, HMRC etc. then it immediately becomes something much bigger in the eyes of the big media. 

Same with the football authorities. They aren't interested at Rovers because as far as they are concerned nothing is wrong. Bills and wages paid on time, nothing to take issue with. 

[Tom]

21 minutes ago, Ianrally said:

Interesting that the Sheffield Wednesday problems have been highlighted nationally on the BBC Football web site by the BBC Radio Sheffield football correspondent. Obviously a man not frightened by any backlash from the club. 
Over to you Andy Bayes to put the spotlight on our owners nationally, or are you running scared?

As others have said though players or suppliers not being paid is far more salacious and something the press will react to

The local glazers who didn’t get paid could have got some attention I imagine but as good local people and Rovers fans I assume they didn’t want to go through all that 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

WE WANT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB BACK!

[davulsukur]

28 minutes ago, Ianrally said:

Interesting that the Sheffield Wednesday problems have been highlighted nationally on the BBC Football web site by the BBC Radio Sheffield football correspondent. Obviously a man not frightened by any backlash from the club. 
Over to you Andy Bayes to put the spotlight on our owners nationally, or are you running scared?

That bloke doesn't give a flying fuck about any backlash, he's had plenty from the Sheff Wed fans over the last few years. He generally fights back a bit as well, which probably isn't a good way to go about it.

That said so, as much as a total clusterfuck as the Sheff Wed situation is, here at least, they've been open and honest about not paying the players. Pretty sure Waggott straight up lied about the court case our overlords are embroiled in.

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, G Somerset Rover said:

I’d wager a fair few fans don’t even know who he is.

That being said, I’ve no doubt some (one or two on here even…) will be lapping up the absolute drivel he’s about to speak though. 

This is why it was so important for Suhail to be targeted.

He is the main man, and the ignorant / uninformed needed to know that.

Many more people will now know who he is and about his strategic role at the club.

[roversfan99]

45 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

But in the past we've got money out of the Venkys - Gallagher, Brereton etc. It's a bit of both, you've got the venkys not putting the money and you've got the CEO happy to trundle along and collect his paycheck. 

A good CEO would have gone to the venkys and said "let us have 30% of it, we'll reinvest it in these players who will help us kick on on the pitch and we'll be able to sell one of them in a couple of seasons for big bucks". A good CEO would quit after not being backed continually - not sit back and collect his pension. 

 

He very much is happy to collect his paycheque of course and not rock the boat. But the issue comes back to the owners being unwilling to reinvest. Waggott being replaced by Gestede wont change that. I very much doubt that Waggott has aggressively pushed for more to reinvest, nor will Gestede, but I doubt even more than it would make any difference anyway. If they were willing to reinvest they would do.