John Eustace - our head coach

[ABBEY]

  On 11/05/2024 at 07:03, RevidgeBlue said:

A lot of people have openly admitted they would like to see the Club relegated or in administration if it meant the end of the owners. Eustace is perceived in certain quarters as Waggott's choice and "a yes man" so I think Tyrone original comment was quite fair.

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Id take admin 10000%

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 11/05/2024 at 07:17, ABBEY said:

Id take admin 10000%

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And what about all the blameless people who lose their jobs as a consequence ?

[OldEwoodBlue]

  On 07/05/2024 at 21:16, roversfan99 said:

We should spend money but there is not even a 1% chance that £17m goes  back into the club. 

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100% of the £17m has gone back into the club.

We are using it on wages, HMRC and bills.

As its the only source of income, without it, we would have already entered administration.

Putting off the inevitable mind. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 11/05/2024 at 08:11, Mashed Potatoes said:

And what about all the blameless people who lose their jobs as a consequence ?

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Anybody who’s still working at Rovers after 14 years of chaos must be a real glutton for punishment. I’d have gone and got a normal job years ago,

[Torgeir]

Two big challenges for Eustace is managing to turn Ewood park back into Fort Ewood. Also to stop dropping points against the bottom teams, and while I don't have the stats infront of me, it feels as if that's been an issue for a few seasons as well. 

[Upside Down]

  On 11/05/2024 at 08:11, Mashed Potatoes said:

And what about all the blameless people who lose their jobs as a consequence ?

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How many jobs have been lost already due to the owners? 

Point missed once again.

[Exiled_Rover]

  On 11/05/2024 at 08:11, Mashed Potatoes said:

And what about all the blameless people who lose their jobs as a consequence ?

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Insignificant in the face of the thousands of fans that no longer engage with Blackburn Rovers due to the owners and their policies driving them away. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 11/05/2024 at 13:41, Exiled_Rover said:

Insignificant in the face of the thousands of fans that no longer engage with Blackburn Rovers due to the owners and their policies driving them away. 

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I doubt if it will seem insignificant to those who lose their jobs - or their families either.

[JHRover]

  On 11/05/2024 at 08:11, Mashed Potatoes said:

And what about all the blameless people who lose their jobs as a consequence ?

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Which people do you think would lose their jobs in administration?

The club operates on a bare minimum basis as it is. An administrator would struggle to cut that department otherwise we couldn't continue to function.

I'm pretty sure anyone non-essential will have already have been removed under the current regime in a bid to save money.

[JHRover]

Relegation and sticking in League One would probably cause more job losses than a period in administration. 

These owners are hell bent on taking us to League One and an inevitable consequence of that will be cuts and job losses.

Why is that preferable to administration?

[tomphil]

  On 11/05/2024 at 08:11, Mashed Potatoes said:

And what about all the blameless people who lose their jobs as a consequence ?

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The blame lies entirely in India i'm sure they'd be aware of that.

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 11/05/2024 at 16:05, tomphil said:

The blame lies entirely in India i'm sure they'd be aware of that.

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Not much consolation for people who lose their home because they can't pay the mortgage.

[tomphil]

  On 11/05/2024 at 16:20, Mashed Potatoes said:

Not much consolation for people who lose their home because they can't pay the mortgage.

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I think the main point being working for this club it must be in the back of their minds constantly anyway and this industry in general is hardly secure.

At the end of the day the football club is an local institution that belongs to the town and it's purpose first and foremost is to provide entertainment and a bit of pride.

If it takes a big step back and downscale but in doing so gets rid of the loons and parasites whilst falling into the hands of real custodians, vast wealth or not, then i'm all in.  I'd much prefer things to be corrected the way the should be right now but that is never going to happen is it, it hasn't happened in a decade barring the odd brief pretence.

Nobody on the Ewood payroll is crying about my or your jobs yet fans are expected to just rock up paying £25/35 per game or £4/500 per ST and continue to be treated like idiots. Whilst the rich sat in the void get richer and the owners make cock up after cock up but it's ok because they can afford it ?

In the bin with that, enough is enough.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 11/05/2024 at 16:48, tomphil said:

I think the main point being working for this club it must be in the back of their minds constantly anyway and this industry in general is hardly secure.

At the end of the day the football club is an local institution that belongs to the town and it's purpose first and foremost is to provide entertainment and a bit of pride.

If it takes a big step back and downscale but in doing so gets rid of the loons and parasites whilst falling into the hands of real custodians, vast wealth or not, then i'm all in.  I'd much prefer things to be corrected the way the should be right now but that is never going to happen is it, it hasn't happened in a decade barring the odd brief pretence.

Nobody on the Ewood payroll is crying about my or your jobs yet fans are expected to just rock up paying £25/35 per game or £4/500 per ST and continue to be treated like idiots. Whilst the rich sat in the void get richer and the owners make cock up after cock up but it's ok because they can afford it ?

In the bin with that, enough is enough.

 

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Come on, the "Ewood payroll" will include plenty of people in the upkeep of facilities and administration etc who are not earning big money. These people should not be callously disregarded by the keyboard warriors who offer nothing but theoretical claims as to how throwing those people on to the scrapheap is some kind of sacrifice worth paying, although of course they won't be making that sacrifice themselves.

[JHRover]

  On 11/05/2024 at 17:27, Mashed Potatoes said:

Come on, the "Ewood payroll" will include plenty of people in the upkeep of facilities and administration etc who are not earning big money. These people should not be callously disregarded by the keyboard warriors who offer nothing but theoretical claims as to how throwing those people on to the scrapheap is some kind of sacrifice worth paying, although of course they won't be making that sacrifice themselves.

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I ask again, who is currently working at Rovers under thrifty Waggott and Venkys that you think could be simply cast onto the scrapheap by an administrator?

Are you suggesting there are non-essential staff members at Rovers? Or are you suggesting an administrator would get rid of essential staff including essential admin and facility staff thus presumably stopping the club from functioning?

I'm pretty sure the first casualties of administration would be members of the 'senior management' team - particularly Waggott, Pasha, maybe the other two who I doubt have even visited Ewood Park before. That bunch are likely on astronomical money between them and would be a far more appropriate place to start if job losses are needed. 

[Norbert Rassragr]

Administration would be the best for the club but that would make a lot of people unemployed. They are the real victims of Venkys 

[JHRover]

How many people do we employ today compared to in 2010?

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 11/05/2024 at 17:55, JHRover said:

I ask again, who is currently working at Rovers under thrifty Waggott and Venkys that you think could be simply cast onto the scrapheap by an administrator?

Are you suggesting there are non-essential staff members at Rovers? Or are you suggesting an administrator would get rid of essential staff including essential admin and facility staff thus presumably stopping the club from functioning?

I'm pretty sure the first casualties of administration would be members of the 'senior management' team - particularly Waggott, Pasha, maybe the other two who I doubt have even visited Ewood Park before. That bunch are likely on astronomical money between them and would be a far more appropriate place to start if job losses are needed. 

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So what if Waggott and Pasha are the first casualties? Many others follow. The Ladies team, the recruitment staff, possibly the Under 21s and academy staff. 2 of the stands closed permanently with a loss of stewarding work. Ticket office staff reduced as attendances fall. Remember, administrators are offered by the creditors of the club. In our case debt is overwhelmingly owed to Venkys so every saleable asset will be sold off to repay them what is owed. The idea that supporters actively want all of this to happen is scary.

[JHRover]

  On 11/05/2024 at 18:27, Mashed Potatoes said:

So what if Waggott and Pasha are the first casualties? Many others follow. The Ladies team, the recruitment staff, possibly the Under 21s and academy staff. 2 of the stands closed permanently with a loss of stewarding work. Ticket office staff reduced as attendances fall. Remember, administrators are offered by the creditors of the club. In our case debt is overwhelmingly owed to Venkys so every saleable asset will be sold off to repay them what is owed. The idea that supporters actively want all of this to happen is scary.

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All those things are possibles. None are guaranteed.

It would depend on what state Venkys left us in and whether they'd want all/part of 'their debt' paying back. I keep being told they are nice wonderful billionaires so assume they won't call it in and bankrupt the club.

Don't you think we've already got rid of many of these people e.g. ticket office staff, media staff, groundstaff, under the current ownership?

[wilsdenrover]

  On 11/05/2024 at 18:12, JHRover said:

How many people do we employ today compared to in 2010?

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2010 accounts = 253

2023 accounts = 221

Edited May 11, 2024 by wilsdenrover

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 11/05/2024 at 18:27, Mashed Potatoes said:

So what if Waggott and Pasha are the first casualties? Many others follow. The Ladies team, the recruitment staff, possibly the Under 21s and academy staff. 2 of the stands closed permanently with a loss of stewarding work. Ticket office staff reduced as attendances fall. Remember, administrators are offered by the creditors of the club. In our case debt is overwhelmingly owed to Venkys so every saleable asset will be sold off to repay them what is owed. The idea that supporters actively want all of this to happen is scary.

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Who’s to say that won’t happen any way ?

[tomphil]

  On 11/05/2024 at 17:27, Mashed Potatoes said:

Come on, the "Ewood payroll" will include plenty of people in the upkeep of facilities and administration etc who are not earning big money. These people should not be callously disregarded by the keyboard warriors who offer nothing but theoretical claims as to how throwing those people on to the scrapheap is some kind of sacrifice worth paying, although of course they won't be making that sacrifice themselves.

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It'll still be a football club it'll still need to function this is admin we are talking not liquidation.

Did Bolton sack every one and draft in community paybackers to run the place ?

Come on man talk sense for once, if it went in admin it would be bought out pretty quickly and yes there'd be changes but no more so than dropping to league 1 or een worse league 2.

It's a shite state of affairs whichever way you look at it and the fault isn't keyboard 'warriors' saying hurty things, it starts and end at the top.

Do i want someone putting money in to run a crappy going nowhere football club just to employ people or do i want a lean mean fighting machine punching above its weight despite less money/staff ?

Option B every time sorry, get the money into the playing side, the better that is and the more successful we are there's more income and more jobs.

Try looking at it that way instead of the brainwashed Waggot way eh.

[Upside Down]

No point arguing with Mashed Potatoes.

If there's a point to something you know he'll miss it.

Might as well make yourself a big plate of mash and sit down and have a discussion with that. You'll get more sense from it.

[Blue blood]

Another point to think on is how many people have already lost their jobs because of Venkys? 

I mean when I was going as a youngster to Rovers there wasn't really under 20k going to a game. A lot of footfall for local businesses. Now it's half that which must have made an impact on jobs and the like.   

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

They’ll all stand to lose their jobs one day with the Chicken Chokers running the show. It’s just a matter of time. I’d have baled out years ago if I worked there. The writing is on the wall, if the current employees don’t want to read it - that’s down to them.