Rovers Rumours & Speculation

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Broughtons main remit as far as i can see was to source and bring in young players to develop, get mins into and quickly increase in value. Forget the experienced signings and those paid a fee for there are plenty of pointers that they were already being lined up before GB arrived having been identified and the wheels put in motion with the previous mob.

Whether he played a part or not again i'll come back to his main reason for being brought in here, the identifying and recruiting of players to develop which is supposed to be his area of expertise.

Leo, Ennis and Tel are shockers and that side of it shows he really isn't up to the task, then throw in the 4 yr deal, the 800 grand fee etc and the alleged numbers he struck for McGuire, well it's no wonder hes been reeled in.

Yep, he seems well up for the "model" of developing players and flogging them on for a profit but even if you think that model is a good idea, Szmodics apart, none of his signings fall into that bracket.

Anyone could be lucky enough to inherit a generational talent like Wharton and turn a profit, but look at the total amount we've received as well for the 2 "crown jewels" Phillips and Wharton.

Absolutely pitiful.

[RoversClitheroe]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Y5GYFzmgaLCPvChn/

Aldershot club secretary joining a championship team.

This us?

[Upside Down]

Is it just me or are all the players who left on free transfers after the owners turned down cash offers for them all Mowbray signings?

 

[tomphil]

2 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Is it just me or are all the players who left on free transfers after the owners turned down cash offers for them all Mowbray signings?

 

Mowbray an Venus advising them to go elsewhere and get bigger money which of course would be larger because of being of frees with no fee.

Tossers the lot of them.

[roversfan99]

Yeah thats the issue and not the owners refusing to sell for big fees in favour of letting them leave for free.

[Upside Down]

Suspicious to me especially given the close connections to the club of a certain agent around that time.

[tomphil]

Yeah because those huge mythical fees were just that and even more fantasy was the idea anything would be re-invested.

For the record Mowbray admitted he was telling them to go get more brass elsewhere the complete t##t.

[roversfan99]

He told was it a scout that, I certainly have no recollection of him actively telling his players to leave.

[RoversClitheroe]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He told was it a scout that, I certainly have no recollection of him actively telling his players to leave.

Stuart Harvey maybe??

[Herbie6590]

Rich Sharpe shares his latest column with BRFCS

https://www.brfcs.com/magazine/articles/unrecognisable-rovers/499

[tomphil]

Just go back and find the stuff he was saying in the local media at the time it was pretty obvious he was hardly making much effort to keep them.

If he's saying that in public what's he saying to then in private, it was the usual shoulder shrugging oh well if they can't get more here they might as well go elsewhere it's a short career they have families, mortgages etc.

All amounts to the same thing.

Doesn't really matter anyway because the amounts we are talking about wouldn't have added up to the Wharton fee so coming in instalments as it all does it would have disappeared instantly into running costs as per. Selling BBD at his peak for 15 million plus might have had a different outcome but the rest of them Waggot would just have earned his own brownie points telling the owners they could put a bit less in.

So it probably wouldn't have made a great deal of difference knowing what we know now, budgets would be slashed anyway and only freed up wages allowed to be used.

That's the model.

[Mattyblue]

9 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Rich Sharpe shares his latest column with BRFCS

https://www.brfcs.com/magazine/articles/unrecognisable-rovers/499

Go back to the LT please, Rich.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

11 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Is it just me or are all the players who left on free transfers after the owners turned down cash offers for them all Mowbray signings?

 

Nyambe and Lenihan weren't, they were already at the club before Mowbray

[Herbie6590]

An item in today’s Mail Sport quoting Mark Atkins and me…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13098499/ON-ROAD-Blackburns-plight-death-1-000-cuts-look-avoid-relegation-League-One.html

[Upside Down]

15 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Nyambe and Lenihan weren't, they were already at the club before Mowbray

Were there offers for them though? 

There were reports of 3.5m for Rothwell, 8m for Diaz and 2m for Gallagher.

All offers refused.

Yet they jump at the chance to sell Adam Wharton, Kaminski and Phillips (although granted the low buy out was probably negotiated from his end) for pennies on the dollar.

Maybe it's nothing but I am always suspicious about what goes on at this place, and with good cause. 

[Mattyblue]

36 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

An item in today’s Mail Sport quoting Mark Atkins and me…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13098499/ON-ROAD-Blackburns-plight-death-1-000-cuts-look-avoid-relegation-League-One.html

Blackburn Rovers would cease to exist without Venky’s. Nice one Atko 🤦‍♂️

(Cheers for the rebuttal though, Herby).

[martonrover]

52 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

An item in today’s Mail Sport quoting Mark Atkins and me…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13098499/ON-ROAD-Blackburns-plight-death-1-000-cuts-look-avoid-relegation-League-One.html

A really good comeback to what Atkins said.

Even some ex-players have Stockholm Syndrome.

It's a pity the Mail didn't ask Sutton for his opinion. He would've been far more critical.

[Mattyblue]

Speaking to a mate of mine about it post the game. Me and him have always had very similar views on everything Rovers.

But not this. It was the greatest hits of ‘who’d buy us?’, ‘look at the gates’, ‘£20million’, ‘JDT has led us to this’, ‘let’s just give this new guy a chance to turn it round’

Any chance of mass protests, if there was ever any chance, has now gone with that cannily timed manager change.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

An item in today’s Mail Sport quoting Mark Atkins and me…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13098499/ON-ROAD-Blackburns-plight-death-1-000-cuts-look-avoid-relegation-League-One.html

I like Atkins when he talks about football but his uneducated comment does more harm than good. It's a lazy, uninformed view that so many people have.

[cesus]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

An item in today’s Mail Sport quoting Mark Atkins and me…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13098499/ON-ROAD-Blackburns-plight-death-1-000-cuts-look-avoid-relegation-League-One.html

I always struggle with an article that starts by talking about Jack Walker and Kenny Dalglish. It in my opinion, alludes that as fans we expect to be at that level still, which we all know needs oil barons money these days.

We simply want owners that care, have a plan and a desire to improve the club. I'm glad Herbie corrected Atkins on the lazy anology that we would be staring down the barrel without Venkys.

[AllRoverAsia]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

An item in today’s Mail Sport quoting Mark Atkins and me…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13098499/ON-ROAD-Blackburns-plight-death-1-000-cuts-look-avoid-relegation-League-One.html

Very happy you torpedoed Atkins pro Venky comment.

[Blue and White Blues]

10 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Very happy you torpedoed Atkins pro Venky comment.

The comment:

"If you did a poll about Venky's, most supporters would want them out. The problem then is that someone would have to buy a football club which is in so much debt, so you've got to be careful what you wish for."

 

Isn't the "debt" just Venky's lending money to themselves?   It's absurd to think that the club would be sold without Venky's forgiving that debt.  

[Oldgregg86]

Well done herbie. Spoken like a true fan and representing the club in a respectful and truthful manor. You did us all proud and we are  lucky to have people like you fighting the cause for us. Thankyou

[aletheia]

9 minutes ago, Blue and White Blues said:

The comment:

"If you did a poll about Venky's, most supporters would want them out. The problem then is that someone would have to buy a football club which is in so much debt, so you've got to be careful what you wish for."

 

Isn't the "debt" just Venky's lending money to themselves?   It's absurd to think that the club would be sold without Venky's forgiving that debt.  

That narrative needs to be sung loudly, which is a widely helf belief among both fans and media. That is, the idea that whoever would buy us would have to stump up £200m is a myth. The Rao's would have to absorb that figure (if indeed that often quoted figure is correct in the first place.) Happy to be corrected.

Edited February 19 by aletheia

[Blue and White Blues]

6 minutes ago, aletheia said:

That narrative needs to be sung loudly, which is a widely helf belief among both fans and media. That is, the idea that whoever would buy us would have to stump up £200m is a myth. The Rao's would have to absorb that figure (if indeed that often quoted figure is correct in the first place.) Happy to be corrected.

So what physical assets does the club actually own?   I've read that they did a financial slight of hand where the practice facility was sold and is leased back to the club.   I presume some other slice of the Rao empire now owns the practice facility?   Who owns Ewood?   As a business, revenue comes from ticket sales, television revenue, and sponsorships like Totally Wicked.   There's a bit of revenue from RoversTV subscriptions and RoversStore kit.   I'm trying to understand why anyone would buy the club since the payroll and operating cost is less than the revenue.