Rovers Rumours & Speculation

[yoda]

This has turned into a meat auction 

[rigger]

3 hours ago, yoda said:

This has turned into a meat auction 

What does the above statement mean ?

[philipl]

A month on from the McGuire debacle and nobody senior taking responsibility.

I can only conclude that Pune pulled the plug not only on McGuire but O'Brien last year also.

If you are reading this, I managed to hit "submit reply"

Much as I have an extremely low opinion of Waggott, I don't for a moment believe he is incapable of supervising someone hitting the right computer key...

 

[Old Codger]

Is it worth anyone actually asking people at the club where the money from the Wharton sale is right now? Is it in our UK bank account? Has it been transferred overseas? Whose money is it? Will it show as a transaction on our income statement / balance sheet? Has it gone into reserves, or is it being used as working capital? Or has Fat Boy Balaji just snorted it up his odious nostrils or worse? I'd kinda like to know...

[Oldgregg86]

12 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

Is it worth anyone actually asking people at the club where the money from the Wharton sale is right now? Is it in our UK bank account? Has it been transferred overseas? Whose money is it? Will it show as a transaction on our income statement / balance sheet? Has it gone into reserves, or is it being used as working capital? Or has Fat Boy Balaji just snorted it up his odious nostrils or worse? I'd kinda like to know...

At least 20 grand of it is in a pole dancers g string

[tomphil]

8 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If the first installment is £6m as rumoured that will only keep us going until some time in June. Then however there's the Raya money and that combined with a modest sale should keep us going for a further 4-5 months after that.

Problem is Szmodics apart, the family silver has now been well and truly flogged off. And what would he fetch? £7m or £8m at best?

I just think with the first instalment now then two more 6 months apart and the Raya money will probably be enough to get the accounts signed off for another 12 months.

Because it keeps the club solvent, depending on committed outgoings obviously, although no doubt they'd have to promise even further sales and budget cuts.  It's not good whatever it is and not sure they could sign it off as owner guaranteeing funding because as far as we can see it they just can't unless the Indian court gives them written assurances.

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 hour ago, Old Codger said:

Is it worth anyone actually asking people at the club where the money from the Wharton sale is right now? Is it in our UK bank account? Has it been transferred overseas? Whose money is it? Will it show as a transaction on our income statement / balance sheet? Has it gone into reserves, or is it being used as working capital? Or has Fat Boy Balaji just snorted it up his odious nostrils or worse? I'd kinda like to know...

Western Union?....Cayman Islands? Dubai?

[aletheia]

Court case etc -perfect excuse for we know who to cut costs further in all areas. SWAG will have to work his magic around transfer windows to spin a yarn about possible incomings only to be dashed at the last moment. Administrative error is wearing a little thin. Pehaps, court cases will just cover all broken dreams as we go on.

Edited February 21, 2024 by aletheia

[lraC]

The statement about the business being insolvent has been made so far as I know for several years. I don't see a player sale, granted a big one, will replace the on going declaration form the owners about their funding.

My feelings are, if the court block the funding, then something has to give, be that administration or a sale.

[rovers11]

10 hours ago, philipl said:

A month on from the McGuire debacle and nobody senior taking responsibility.

I can only conclude that Pune pulled the plug not only on McGuire but O'Brien last year also.

If you are reading this, I managed to hit "submit reply"

Much as I have an extremely low opinion of Waggott, I don't for a moment believe he is incapable of supervising someone hitting the right computer key...

 

I completely agree. I'm not a conspiracy theorist generally but this one just doesn't add up. Three similar mistakes in one year, two happen to be very expensive transfers. Yet any freebie or cheap loan is done without a hitch. 

The club would rather play the incompetent card rather than "we have no money" card. 

Edited February 21, 2024 by rovers11

[DeeCee]

No conspiracy theory when it's happened 3 times. All with incomings.

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, rovers11 said:

I completely agree. I'm not a conspiracy theorist generally but this one just doesn't add up. Three similar mistakes in one year, two happen to be very expensive transfers. Yet any freebie or cheap loan is done without a hitch. 

The club would rather play the incompetent card rather than "we have no money" card. 

And they get away with people thinking everything is just incompetence because they are so fucking useless.

As useless and thick as people like swag are, they know how to complete a transfer.

I was about 95% sure the O'Brien deal was deliberately sabotaged and I'm now 100% all three of these deals were pulled deliberately.

[simongarnerisgod]

41 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

I was about 95% sure the O'Brien deal was deliberately sabotaged and I'm now 100% all three of these deals were pulled deliberately.

absolutely,i think the undav loan deal was trashed deliberately as well,you have to wonder why someone who is`nt playing for his club would turn down a regular spot in a then play off challenging second tier side,with o`brien and andav in the side there is no doubt we`de have been in the play offs,with a good chance of going up,venkys can`t be having that though,they do not want us promoted,how many times have they cut the managers legs off (figuratively speaking),they did it with bowyer,lambert,jdt and even mowbray got impeded when he threatened the top six

venkys out,get the parasites out of blackburn

[Andy]

4 hours ago, rovers11 said:

I completely agree. I'm not a conspiracy theorist generally but this one just doesn't add up. Three similar mistakes in one year, two happen to be very expensive transfers. Yet any freebie or cheap loan is done without a hitch. 

The club would rather play the incompetent card rather than "we have no money" card. 

100% agree.

They clearly think that the whole thing will blow over if they close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears.

It will not.
The fans deserve an explanation.

[AllRoverAsia]

A story:

"Holmes and Watson are on a camping trip. In the middle of the night Holmes wakes up and gives Dr. Watson a nudge. “Watson” he says, “look up in the sky and tell me what you see.”

“I see millions of stars, Holmes,” says Watson.

“And what do you conclude from that, Watson?”

Watson thinks for a moment. “Well,” he says, “astronomically, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo. Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past three. Meterologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. Theologically, I see that God is all-powerful, and we are small and insignificant.

Uh, what does it tell you, Holmes?”

“Watson, you idiot! Someone has stolen our tent!”

WELCOME to the group of critical thinkers who knew something was afoot all along.

Edited February 21, 2024 by AllRoverAsia

[yoda]

54 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

A story:

"Holmes and Watson are on a camping trip. In the middle of the night Holmes wakes up and gives Dr. Watson a nudge. “Watson” he says, “look up in the sky and tell me what you see.”

“I see millions of stars, Holmes,” says Watson.

“And what do you conclude from that, Watson?”

Watson thinks for a moment. “Well,” he says, “astronomically, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo. Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past three. Meterologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. Theologically, I see that God is all-powerful, and we are small and insignificant.

Uh, what does it tell you, Holmes?”

“Watson, you idiot! Someone has stolen our tent!”

WELCOME to the group of critical thinkers who knew something was afoot all along.

 

Or as we say in Lancashire, can’t see the wood for the trees

[Paul Mellelieu]

Why did the club spend a large amount of money to appeal the O'Brien case if it was a deliberate act of sabotage?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Why did the club spend a large amount of money to appeal the O'Brien case if it was a deliberate act of sabotage?

You’re making the old mistake of looking for logic in anything the Chicken Chokers do. 

[tomphil]

16 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Why did the club spend a large amount of money to appeal the O'Brien case if it was a deliberate act of sabotage?

Because they are still rich and stupid so think throwing money away on something either cures it or makes it look like they tried to cure it.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Did they force Waggot and GB to make deliberate mistakes?

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Why did the club spend a large amount of money to appeal the O'Brien case if it was a deliberate act of sabotage?

Particularly when Broughton is on record as saying he didn't think we would win an appeal.

It's another conundrum created by the owners and powers that be that really don't do them or the club any favours and inevitably lead to conjecture.

[Tugayisgod]

Off topic, but Nixon has written this article today about how Kenny Dalglish wound up at Rovers. Good piece actually, shows the worth of a good chairman like Bill Fox .

 

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ReluctantNicko

 

Kenny Dalglish and the Blackburn job … ‘have you got his number?’

34 minutes ago

By Alan Nixon

 

Kenny Dalglish was without doubt a great player and could have been a great manager when he made the step up at Liverpool. He was suspicious of people beyond belief and it was good just to be on the fringes of the Merseyside media pack when you covered the club. His press conferences were like an attempt to be awkward, painful at times, and I could never work him out when he was there.

I tried to play it straight with him and give him the respect his reputation deserved if not his atttidue. I once rang to check a story I knew was true about Steve Nicol picking up an injury that would rule him out for months. It took hours and lots of calls to get through until I reached Dalglish who was just obstructive rather than making any attempt to co-operate or even make sure the story was written right. It always stuck in my mind.

It was quite something to be at Anfield the day Dalglish left, the mask slipped and we saw the true man. He was worn down by the pressure of the job and wanted out, it had got to him and he did not need it any more. From that day I looked on him in a slightly different light. Yet it was easy to have the odd chip about him walking out on jobs and he obviously did not like it.

For all that I played a strange part in his managerial return and it was all down to a chance conversation with the Blackburn Rovers chairman Bill Fox.

I had written the story that Rovers wanted Dalglish as boss as I knew their wealthy owner Jack Walker was telling people he was their first choice. Nobody in the London offices believed it and so the tale was played down.

A few days later I went to cover a Football League meeting in the Midlands at the time when the Premier League breakaway was on the cards. I liked Fox a lot and so I was sympathetic to his side of the argument and the protection of the 'old' league. We had always got on well when we met at Rovers games and he was a proper football man.

After this League meeting Bill pulled me in the bar and said 'Have you got it then?' 'What do you mean?' I replied with no idea what he meant. 'Dalglish's number?' he said. Straight away I thought 'what the ****? and said I did not have it but knew a man who could contact him.

I asked Bill if he was serious and he said that Dalglish was the one Jack wants and Bill had to make it happen. Or else. Walker was a man who liked his wishes to be fulfilled. Fast.

I called The Sun's man on Merseyside Mike Ellis to brief him on the possibility as he was good mates with Dalglish's solicitor and Liverpool lawyer Kevin Dooley. I said to get them to call Fox and make the thing happen. Mike went to see Dooley who put it to Kenny and the ball rolled.

Even then Dalglish would not come back and share any news or updates. In the end I found out from Blackburn that it was on. I was puzzled Dalglish or his sidekick did not have the courtesy to call, but that was just him.

So I did the story that he was coming, a joint by line job with Mike. The office should have been overjoyed, but they came back and ridiculed the story and one sports desk lackie tried to pour cold water on it in particular. I flipped. For ten minutes he got a good old Drumchapel doing down the phone when I pointed out what a useless operator and spineless bastard he was. I have never sworn as repeatedly or with such depth of feeling as I did on that call.

I went home from the office and had the sports editor David Balmforth on soon after asking why I had abused his right hand man. I told him what I had said to him and stood by it.

Next day the big Dalglish for Rovers story came out. By Mike Ellis. My name nowhere near it. I never forgave those petty pricks for that and never will.

The problem was that people stuck in a London office did not want to back their reporter on the patch when he was telling them that a millionaire was bankrolling the biggest revolution in English football.

It had been an issue before. I got the tip that Walker wanted Gary Lineker, England's top striker and the star of the Tottenham team. Most people would have laughed, but I knew that was the way Walker thought and was going about doing things. I called Bill Fox and he confirmed it, an approach had been made and a bid of £2 million was in. So I sent the story and after a long argument with Balmforth it was on the back. Spurs erupted, Lineker and his agent Jon Holmes tried to claim it was a stunt. I found that funny in later years as money-grabbing Lineker would later go to Japan and present Match of the Day in his shorts.

I rang Bill to say is there any way we can take this further. He said the club would confirm the offer and if pressed he would tell Spurs and anyone else that Jack would buy their club instead if he wanted to. We both laughed, but it was true.

After the way the Dalglish story was treated I was tempted to quit the paper, but thought that Blackburn Rovers would now be a great source of stories and how right it was. Fox was eternally grateful and suddenly the London no-marks wanted Rovers stories because they loved the Dalglish thing. How ironic. So there was an endless stream of players coming and cash stories plus the bonuses and wages being thrown around. It makes me smile to see the cuttings and think of the friction that came before the earliest ones. Jack Walker changed a lot of things.

Fox was great through it all. When I heard they wanted rising star goalkeeper David James before he was famous he confirmed it on the spot. Any time other deals needed checking he was there. Sadly his health faded fast, no-one knows if it was the pressure or just his general wellbeing. His death was a loss to football, one of the true gents I have come across.

Dalglish was a new man at Blackburn, playing up to the media and relaxed in his new surroundings. He was also letting his assistant Ray Harford do much of the work, but that was fine by Kenny who liked his down time.

I have never told him about the background to how he got the job, I did not want him to think I was looking for a favour in return. But it does give me a certain glee to know how it was done.

 

 

[RoverDom]

The very fact nixon wrote the article has me doubting that Kenny ever worked at Rovers. 

[ABBEY]

Stopped reading at nixon

[simongarnerisgod]

nixon🤣

he  singlehandedly brought  down the berlin wall

he persauded the ira to lay down their arms

maybe he could get putin to stop annexing ukraine