The Summer Transfer Window (Press Submit)

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But as @Paul Manisays its the head coach job on the line if he doesn't get the results so he should and rightly have an opinion. 

Eustace will have access to the same data, analysis and video clips as Park and the recruitment team, but if Eustace doesn't agree or think he doesn't fit then quite rightly says no. 

On Dembele I would sign him if Nixon story he is available for £1m. Seems a no brainer for me. 

On Ruddy, not keen at all. Think Drommel, Rushworth or Iversen are better options for me. 

 

 

Why is he head coach and not manager if he is running recruitment too?

[CambridgeRover]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But as @Paul Manisays its the head coach job on the line if he doesn't get the results so he should and rightly have an opinion.

Everyone at the club will suffer if we get relegated so let’s have everyone give an opinion on the coaching as well.

What is Gestedes opinion on goalkeepers, can Park take first team coaching duties?

As in all companies you are judged on what your role is. Eustace is not a manager he will be judged on his ability to get the best out of the players he is given. And at this bloody club we don’t sack managers so not sure what he has to be worried about!!

 

 

 

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Which of the players mentioned so far go straight into the first team?  That has to be the basis we look at surely.  We've banked a fortune.   Stansfield and Drommel apart - neither of whom are coming - none of the others names we've heard so far really stand out as being first team shoe-ins.

 

 

[KentExile]

13 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Which of the players mentioned so far go straight into the first team?  That has to be the basis we look at surely.  We've banked a fortune.   Stansfield and Drommel apart - neither of whom are coming - none of the others names we've heard so far really stand out as being first team shoe-ins.

 

 

"Shoo in" - Its a horse racing term, like "Champing at the bit"

Sorry, I'm just being a pedant.  But we have to maintain standards or else there will shortly be mention of "catphrases", "damp squids" and the like 😉 

Edited August 25, 2024 by KentExile

[RevidgeBlue]

18 minutes ago, islander200 said:

2? Dembele, Ruddy, Stansfield,Pak, the young midfielder from Birmingham this morning...that's 5 

The media haven't mentioned a player he wants that hasn't played for him yet 

Sourness hadn't worked with Neill before...Tugay and Friedal where internationals who came here after only plating top flight football...a bit different than raiding league one Birmingham 

I'm not particularly aware of the links to the others and apart from Ruddy I've no real view on whether I'd want them or whether they'd be any good or not.

So far we've signed zero former Birmingham players so let's see what happens. I'm rather more worried we'll sign no-one at all than where they'll be coming g from if we do sign them.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

If after all that, he wants player X or Y then in my opinion, unless there is a compelling argument, then we must go with the guy who is a) in charge of the players, and b) judged on the success (or failure) of that team.

I really disagree with that.

First reason being that you should have specialists in place that are better at analysing that data and scouting players than the first team coach will be.

Second reason being that the man most likely to leave is Eustace. So, if you give him that kind of final say over transfers you are heading towards a situation where you have a squad built for him, not built for a long-term vision.

He should obviously have input, maybe even have the occasional veto, but he shouldn't be able to hold up transfers like this or have his heart set on specific players to the degree that it disrupts activity.

That, quite simply, isn't his job. 

[philipl]

So nothing.

If we want PL football next season, I would go for broke and splurge the budget on 4 PL quality loans.

Not a popular opinion and not sustainable in the Championship but it would give us an entertaining season and a gambler's chance at 170m

[B16Rover]

6 minutes ago, philipl said:

So nothing.

If we want PL football next season, I would go for broke and splurge the budget on 4 PL quality loans.

Not a popular opinion and not sustainable in the Championship but it would give us an entertaining season and a gambler's chance at 170m

Elliot, Tosin and Reed would see us up there (equivalents, obviously)

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Why is he head coach and not manager if he is running recruitment too?

Eustace isn't running recruitment but he is part of process just like he should be. 

You cannot sign players without Eustace approval. 

Eustace did sign off on Gueye and Ohashi cos he liked what he witnessed from what he was presented by Park and Gestede in the report. 

I would be happy with Dembele coming here but I think we can do much better than Ruddy. I would ideally like it to be permanent signing, but Rushworth coming here would be good signing overall but short term solution for me. 

[TurkishDelight]

Edmund Baidoo not in the squad for Sogndal in Norwegian 2. tier today. In negotiations with a club. Dont know the club, but really hope Blackburn is interested. 

[Tugayisgod]

Swansea not looking at Rushworth according to this report

https://jackarmy.net/2024/08/24/swans-set-to-move-for-loan-keeper-as-owners-lend-out-their-own/

[Forever Blue]

45 minutes ago, KentExile said:

"Shoo in" - Its a horse racing term, like "Champing at the bit"

Sorry, I'm just being a pedant.  But we have to maintain standards or else there will shortly be mention of "catphrases", "damp squids" and the like 😉 

Don’t put people on a pedalstool. 
 

Classic IT Crowd

[Exiled_Rover]

48 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I really disagree with that.

First reason being that you should have specialists in place that are better at analysing that data and scouting players than the first team coach will be.

Second reason being that the man most likely to leave is Eustace. So, if you give him that kind of final say over transfers you are heading towards a situation where you have a squad built for him, not built for a long-term vision.

He should obviously have input, maybe even have the occasional veto, but he shouldn't be able to hold up transfers like this or have his heart set on specific players to the degree that it disrupts activity.

That, quite simply, isn't his job. 

It isn't his job, but he can also do exactly what JDT did with Telalovic and refuse to play him. 

[BankEnd Rover]

Really fustarting to hear names like John Yeboah and the possibilities of maybe signing them, then realising we just aren’t going to sign them.

Like are they names we like the idea of or are the club going to push the boat out and spend, some of, this fortune we’ve made? Stumbling blocks for many seems to be wages, why though? If a player has a huge potential for a massive sell on, why should it be an issue!?
 

Fuck of Venkeys.

Edited August 25, 2024 by BankEnd Rover

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

The two are not mutually exclusive. Eustace will be seeing all the same content, data and footage that Rudy and Park are seeing. If after all that, he wants player X or Y then in my opinion, unless there is a compelling argument, then we must go with the guy who is a) in charge of the players, and b) judged on the success (or failure) of that team.

It appears with Ohashi and Gueye, that evidence was compelling enough. Maybe the evidence for Germain, Yeboah, Drommel etc just isn’t cutting through with the manager and he’s saying, “that’s great, but I’d prefer Siriki, Ruddy etc”. 

Im sure, as professionals they will come to a compromise. Eustace is 3-2 up on choices so far…One things for sure, I won’t profess to know more about those players than our manager, with 20yrs in the game, Pro Licence and paid to do the job.

The only thing that matters to me is that we spend the right money to get the right players.

These assumptions presume that the setup here works to 100% efficiency which we dont know.

Eustace should never have a player signed that he doesnt approve, that is obvious. But we have brought people in to spend much of their time looking at players, whereas most of Eustace's time will be spent preparing for matches. So if loads of work has been done on various keepers and the end result is signing a nearly 38 year old keeper who Eustace used to manage, IMO something has gone horribly wrong.

I dont get why people wont just pass on their own opinions. Eustace obviously is more qualified than any of us but he isnt flawless (like any manager) so it shouldnt surpress our own opinions. If he wants Ruddy, maybe its based on an opinion of him prior to a poor season where Eustace didnt witness first hand a physical decline. Obviously those opinions may change dependant on how the player does.

All that matters to any of us is bringing in the best players. But it seems that most are in agreement that Ruddy (and to a much lesser extent Dembele) would not be the right player and it would bring into question the whole setup if the best player from a long list of options just happened to be someone Eustace had at Birmingham.

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Nah, just lazy narrative that. Derby and Oxford are decent, have already beaten Norwich and Boro and in my opinion should have enough to stay up this season. Both of those fixtures were huge potential banana skins for us. I will guarantee there will be far worse teams come to Ewood this season.

We can only beat what’s put in front of us, and we’ve done pretty well so far. Credit where it’s due.

The 2 first home games against 2 promoted clubs who both looked poor will be 2 of the most likely to be relegated.

That being said, its not some sort of procession to win any league game and Eustace does deserve credit for winning them. They are two of the easiest/least difficult games we will play all season though, but you still have to win them.

[Roverthechimp]

Simple question: would Ruddy improve our team/squad this season?

IMO - yes. Maybe could improve Pears as well.

Is he a risk - of course but frankly we need a leader in goal if we Hyam, Carter, Pickering and Brittain is our back 4

 

[Exiled_Rover]

Fun fact - Transfermarkt has the Birmingham City squad as having a higher overall value than the Blackburn Rovers squad. 

[roversfan99]

Just now, Roverthechimp said:

Simple question: would Ruddy improve our team/squad this season?

IMO - yes. Maybe could improve Pears as well.

Is he a risk - of course but frankly we need a leader in goal if we Hyam, Carter, Pickering and Brittain is our back 4

 

Based on current day Ruddy? Declining further as he gets older. Im not entirely sure. 

[CambridgeRover]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Fun fact - Transfermarkt has the Birmingham City squad as having a higher overall value than the Blackburn Rovers squad. 

It gets even weirder as Dolan and Pickering are listed as our most valuable players

[KentExile]

16 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Fun fact - Transfermarkt has the Birmingham City squad as having a higher overall value than the Blackburn Rovers squad. 

Apparently Brum have  spent about £15M this summer so far, and half the income from transfer sales to Rovers

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2024&s_w=s&leihe=3&intern=0&intern=1

Don't we wish we had owners that gave a monkeys?

Edited August 25, 2024 by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Based on current day Ruddy? Declining further as he gets older. Im not entirely sure. 

What's that based on? Your own opinions or based on Birmingham City fans opinion? 

[Exiled_Rover]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He's obviously earned no leeway from you with the way we've started the season then!

I do concede though that it's odd he's not all over a cheap punt on another Japanese player the way Ohashi has started the season. Seems a bit like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Unless it's not a cheap punt and those wages tied up in Germain are then taken away from a player he actually wants. 

He's said multiple times that he wants 4+ players in that will all start (or at least massively improve the bench). Maybe he just sees Germain as a bench filler and that role can be taken by our two Academy prospects instead?

[KentExile]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

What's that based on? Your own opinions or based on Birmingham City fans opinion? 

Birmingham fans were not keen on keeping him, quotes below from just one page of Birmingham forum

https://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,3567165,3567322

He isn't good enough to be first choice anymore, particularly with how we want to play.
He has been a good servant for the club though, and seems to have a great attitude.

I think we need to move on from him but I'd have no problem if he stayed as a back up. Particularly if he is a help for the squad culture.

As soon as we started trying to play on the 'front foot', Ruddy was the odd piece of the jigsaw. He's a great keeper but if we want to play with more possession he isn't the one for us. If we carry on with this playing style then the number 2 needs to be able to step in without changing how we play, therefore Ruddy wouldn't be much use to us.

I also think we need to look to the future and get a new keeper, one who is comfortable playing out from the back and can ping an accurate pass. Ruddy has done a good job for us the last couple of years though.

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by KentExile

[M_B]

10 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

Simple question: would Ruddy improve our team/squad this season?

IMO - yes. Maybe could improve Pears as well.

Is he a risk - of course but frankly we need a leader in goal if we Hyam, Carter, Pickering and Brittain is our back 4

 

Of all the positions,whether it's Ruddy or not, I'd be inclined to give Eustace the last word on the keeper. 

I don't mind having a bit of a gamble on any other appointment, but it's crucial  we get the keeper right,and Eustace is happy with who comes in.

As we all know, it's an easy one to get horribly wrong. 

Edited August 25, 2024 by M_B

[Exiled_Rover]

9 hours ago, Ossydave said:

3.5m? No way Wigan can demand that sort of fee if the player expresses an interest in leaving. Not really what we need anyway....

Wigan can ask for whatever they want - they have a billionaire owner. 

Granted, he wants Wigan Athletic to wash it's own face because he only bought them to get his hands on the stadium for his Rugby League team, but still...