The Summer Transfer Window (Press Submit)

[Polky]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

LT reporting Rovers are due a ‘significant’ fee when AW makes his competitive England debut. The rest of article is behind paywall, does it expand on what ‘significant’ actually is?

No, but it states that the sell on % could be similar to the Raya deal.

[Forever Blue]

4 minutes ago, Polky said:

No, but it states that the sell on % could be similar to the Raya deal.

Thanks. I think Nixon has previously said 10-15% for the sell-on for AW. 

[sverrehh]

5 minutes ago, Polky said:

No, but it states that the sell on % could be similar to the Raya deal.

probably apart of the £18 up to £22million? 22 has to be max?

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 minutes ago, sverrehh said:

probably apart of the £18 up to £22million? 22 has to be max?

I would have thought 22 was the max if all the contingencies were met, but did not relate to the sell on, which will be based on profit (probably) or gross fee on the on sale. I don't think there will be a max for the sell on.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, AspRover said:

 It would be more than the 1.5m they reportedly bid in January but closer to that than 8m - I'd guess we could probably talk them up to 3-4m maybe, if they are serious.

Agreed with all your post except this bit. We don't do talking clubs up. Pretty sure the most we would squeeze out would be 2.5 mill, and tbf, that's a fair deal. With the caveat that we won't adequately replace him or spend more than a couple hundred k of that.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, bluebruce said:

Agreed with all your post except this bit. We don't do talking clubs up. Pretty sure the most we would squeeze out would be 2.5 mill, and tbf, that's a fair deal. With the caveat that we won't adequately replace him or spend more than a couple hundred k of that.

I thought we talked up Man Utd over Phil Jones ?

[bluebruce]

7 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Thanks. I think Nixon has previously said 10-15% for the sell-on for AW. 

If it's 10 we really are a joke. 15 is too low tbh. I appreciate it was a 'gamble' for Palace given his experience, but in that case it shouldn't have been too hard to get a 20% sell on. 

[bluebruce]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

I thought we talked up Man Utd over Phil Jones ?

Very different scenario, if the rumours about that are even true. Venkys had more interest then, plus we knew Manure had obtained details of his min clause implicitly so we managed to get a touch more out of them to avoid a court case and/or forcing the deal to Liverpool through instead (who had offered several million more than we got in the end). Hardly a bargaining masterclass to have given him a clause in the first case when he was already contracted for a decent stretch before it.

Also Waggott was nowhere near the club back then.

[Forever Blue]

15 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

If it's 10 we really are a joke. 15 is too low tbh. I appreciate it was a 'gamble' for Palace given his experience, but in that case it shouldn't have been too hard to get a 20% sell on. 

Yeah should be 20% considering they got him on the cheap

[AspRover]

57 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Agreed with all your post except this bit. We don't do talking clubs up. Pretty sure the most we would squeeze out would be 2.5 mill, and tbf, that's a fair deal. With the caveat that we won't adequately replace him or spend more than a couple hundred k of that.

Yeah you are probably right, I was thinking swag might add a mil for that prem money, but then I remembered how cheaply we let kaminski go under similar circumstances.

[simongarnerisgod]

should be plenty of money to spend this summer with the wharton deal and raya sell on,then i woke up😁

[Miller11]

The sell on is 15% of any profit. Basically the standard sell on.

[Forever Blue]

29 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

The sell on is 15% of any profit. Basically the standard sell on.

It’s not standard. Adam Armstrongs was 40%

[sverrehh]

29 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

The sell on is 15% of any profit. Basically the standard sell on.

Potentially another 10 million then, if Wharton continues to impress and a big PL club is interested

[Forever Blue]

10 minutes ago, sverrehh said:

Potentially another 10 million then, if Wharton continues to impress and a big PL club is interested

If he goes for £60m we’ll get another £6m or thereabouts. 
 

What ever way you cut it we’ve been had over a barrel. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

If he goes for £60m we’ll get another £6m or thereabouts. 
 

What ever way you cut it we’ve been had over a barrel. 

Realisticly,what do you think a player best suited to the pivot role in a 4-2-3-1 playing in the Championship would fetch ? Another £6m to £10m brings the fee up to to £28m to £32m which is about the max for a Championship player ( £32m for Watkins ?)

[Miller11]

26 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

It’s not standard. Adam Armstrongs was 40%

It is standard. Armstrong was an exception. We got him cheaper than Newcastle valued him at because of the higher sell on.

[Forever Blue]

14 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Realisticly,what do you think a player best suited to the pivot role in a 4-2-3-1 playing in the Championship would fetch ? Another £6m to £10m brings the fee up to to £28m to £32m which is about the max for a Championship player ( £32m for Watkins ?)

Palace knew what they were buying. There’s a reason Bayern and Man City are already being linked. 
 

And the pivot role is now one of the most important roles on the pitch because of the way a lot of teams press. You have to very good to cope with that. As JDT said, AW is Champions League quality on the ball, and JDT should know as he won it. And that was a description of a  Championship player. 
 

It was clear he was a very rare talent. We were selling potential and we massively fucked it up. 
 

The only consolation is that whoever signed off that deal is going to look increasingly stupid as each week passes. And I doubt it was Mrs D doing the negotiating! 

Edited June 7 by Forever Blue

[Forever Blue]

2 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

It is standard. Armstrong was an exception. We got him cheaper than Newcastle valued him at because of the higher sell on.

And we sold Wharton on the cheap and so shouldn't have agreed to the ‘standard’. 
 

And, again, there is no industry standard. Newcastle did it with a few players, Toney being another they claused at 40%. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, Forever Blue said:

Palace knew what they were buying. There’s a reason Bayern and Man City are already being linked. 
 

And the pivot role is now one of the most important roles on the pitch because of the way a lot of teams press. You have to very good to cope with that. As JDT said. AW is Champions League quality on the ball, and he should know he won it. And that was playing in the Championship. 
 

It was clear he was a very rare talent. We were selling potential and we massively fucked it up. 
 

The only consolation is that whoever signed off that deal is going to look increasingly stupid as each week passes. And I doubt it was Mrs D doing the negotiating! 

Given their financial resources Bayern and Man City could have outbid Palace - but chose not to do so.

[Forever Blue]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Given their financial resources Bayern and Man City could have outbid Palace - but chose not to do so.

Clubs were waiting until the summer. Chelsea wanted him this summer. There will have been others. 
 

it’s irrelevant anyway. The big clubs can afford to wait and often do. 

[alex l]

4 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

LT reporting Rovers are due a ‘significant’ fee when AW makes his competitive England debut. The rest of article is behind paywall, does it expand on what ‘significant’ actually is?

Actually it says when he makes a competitive start. 

 

5 hours ago, Hasta said:

Just a random reminder to when Blackpool FC's official site called Nixon out last year for writing 'many in a long list (of articles) written for the sole purpose of gaining clicks and views, regardless of their accuracy"

Interesting Neil Critchley is still manager of Blackpool a full season later. 

This doesn't say Nixon specifically has written the long list of inaccurate articles, just that there has been a long list of such reports. 

[Hasta]

17 hours ago, alex l said:

This doesn't say Nixon specifically has written the long list of inaccurate articles, just that there has been a long list of such reports. 

No. But it was in response to a Nixon article that day. And implies that article is one of many written for clicks. And Blackpool felt strong enough to put that out.

But you are right. It could have been Nixons first ever article he has ever written which is inaccurate. Well, other than the war chest and the wee gem ones.

Edited June 8 by Hasta

[tomphil]

Remember Doogie Freedman calling him out in all but name when he was trying to tell everyone skint Bolton were going to sign 30k a week Rhodes from Rovers because we couldn't meet the last fee instalment ?

Complete nonsense the guy makes stuff up in between being an agents stooge and trying to get interest/auctions going for their clients.

Yes once in a blue moon he gets summat correct but his strike rate is worse than that of Chris Brown in a Blue and White shirt.

He;s derided by many sets of fans.

Edited June 7 by tomphil

[Miller11]

57 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

And we sold Wharton on the cheap and so shouldn't have agreed to the ‘standard’. 
 

And, again, there is no industry standard. Newcastle did it with a few players, Toney being another they claused at 40%. 

I really can’t be arsed arguing. For about the hundredth time the question of a sell on has come up with people doubting its existence or speculating the figure. It’s 15%.