The Summer Transfer Window (Press Submit)

[islander200]

3 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

They know what they’re signing up for

The clue should be the fact Eustace  was appointed Head coach  not manager.

You are 100% correct in what you said about Brentford and Brighton,  both head coaches trusting in the recruitment and not giving lists of ex players to sign

It's a different story if Eustace was promised he could sign who he wants if it came within budget , but you would expect his title to be manager if that was the case 

[pick32]

We are being linked with players who won’t improve the starting 11 and we have 30million in the bank it’s all a joke, thankfully we have played bad teams upto now

[ItsRoverZ]

From a marketing point of view too, the Asian Market can be brilliant for clubs, just look at ohashi and what's happened there. I'd gamble on Ryo myself.

[Exiled_Rover]

5 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

From a marketing point of view too, the Asian Market can be brilliant for clubs, just look at ohashi and what's happened there. I'd gamble on Ryo myself.

We had a Chilean superstar for 18 months and did nothing with it.

I wouldn't worry about the marketing with these guys in charge.

[MB Rover]

 

16 minutes ago, pick32 said:

We are being linked with players who won’t improve the starting 11 and we have 30million in the bank it’s all a joke, thankfully we have played bad teams upto now

Yeah thankfully we’ve had an incredibly easy start to the season. 2 promoted teams at home and Norwich under a new gaffer. I imagine the panic buttons would be getting pressed if we’d had a slightly harder start. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Agreed -  in an ideal world I'd like 7.

Keeper, 2 new full backs, creative midfielder, pacey winger for either side and a quality Szmodics replacement.

We obviously won't get anywhere near that. I think we could get by with three, the keeper, midfielder and the Szmodics replacement if they were all permanent and really good quality.

A couple of good permanent signings and three really good loans in the right positions (not just the usual pick anyone up who's left at the last minute for the sake of it) would probably be a reasonable compromise.

Let's see how we go given Waggott has said quite clearly the owners have reiterated their full backing for the Club and there is no impediment to them providing such.

*cough*

 

If we dont spend much this week, would you be more angry at Venkys for again failing to put the money in to improve the club or Waggott for saying that nothing is stopping them?

[Paul Mani]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

No but park ,gestede and Owen are looking at players from a larger pool than Eustace is again he had nothing to do with Gueye or Ohashi 

At most clubs now the manager/head coach has little to do with the signing of players 

The two are not mutually exclusive. Eustace will be seeing all the same content, data and footage that Rudy and Park are seeing. If after all that, he wants player X or Y then in my opinion, unless there is a compelling argument, then we must go with the guy who is a) in charge of the players, and b) judged on the success (or failure) of that team.

It appears with Ohashi and Gueye, that evidence was compelling enough. Maybe the evidence for Germain, Yeboah, Drommel etc just isn’t cutting through with the manager and he’s saying, “that’s great, but I’d prefer Siriki, Ruddy etc”. 

Im sure, as professionals they will come to a compromise. Eustace is 3-2 up on choices so far…One things for sure, I won’t profess to know more about those players than our manager, with 20yrs in the game, Pro Licence and paid to do the job.

The only thing that matters to me is that we spend the right money to get the right players.

[Rover1984]

4 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

The two are not mutually exclusive. Eustace will be seeing all the same content, data and footage that Rudy and Park are seeing. If after all that, he wants player X or Y then in my opinion, unless there is a compelling argument, then we must go with the guy who is a) in charge of the players, and b) judged on the success (or failure) of that team.

It appears with Ohashi and Gueye, that evidence was compelling enough. Maybe the evidence for Germain, Yeboah, Drommel etc just isn’t cutting through with the manager and he’s saying, “that’s great, but I’d prefer Siriki, Ruddy etc”. 

Im sure, as professionals they will come to a compromise. Eustace is 3-2 up on choices so far…One things for sure, I won’t profess to know more about those players than our manager, with 20yrs in the game, Pro Licence and paid to do the job.

The only thing that matters to me is that we spend the right money to get the right players.

Eustace is 3-2 up on players. Only difference is the 3 he’s brought in are not starters. If his choices like Ruddy who are not going to improve the starting 11 then I hope he is overlooked for the rest of the window

Edited August 25 by Rover1984

[CambridgeRover]

4 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

The two are not mutually exclusive. Eustace will be seeing all the same content, data and footage that Rudy and Park are seeing. 

I would hope that is untrue.

Eustace will be given a short summary of key statistics and facts but will not be seeing everything Park is and for good reason

Eustace is there to coach and Park to aide recruitment.

Your view of recruitment is very very old fashioned and does not align with modern clubs 

 

[tomphil]

30 million to cover 18 months running costs.

India show your intention and stick just a few million in for players eh !

[Paul Mani]

14 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

 

Yeah thankfully we’ve had an incredibly easy start to the season. 2 promoted teams at home and Norwich under a new gaffer. I imagine the panic buttons would be getting pressed if we’d had a slightly harder start. 

Nah, just lazy narrative that. Derby and Oxford are decent, have already beaten Norwich and Boro and in my opinion should have enough to stay up this season. Both of those fixtures were huge potential banana skins for us. I will guarantee there will be far worse teams come to Ewood this season.

We can only beat what’s put in front of us, and we’ve done pretty well so far. Credit where it’s due.

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, Neal said:

I don't get why so many are desperate for Dembele... I think some have been misled by his performance at Ewood but the reality is... He's a 27 year old journeyman with a questionable attitude who never does it consistently. I'd be disappointed if we spent anything more than a million on him. 

 

I'd much prefer someone the manager could potentially mould into a top class player, which Dembele will never be. 

I think if Eustace can get Dembele at his best he would be very good signing. Eustace signed him at Birmingham. 

4 hours ago, unleaded said:

Ryo Germain lines up for Júbilo Iwata today !! Recruitment team still getting blocked by Eustace for sealing the cheap deal … He won’t sanction it … Hopefully they go over his head like they did with others … Eustace still holding out for Ruddy ….Turks in for Dembele … Eustace has a greed for power …

Why do you think we should sign Ryo Germain? Do we really need another striker when we got Gueye, Ohashi and Leonard who can play as the 9. 

3 hours ago, Ossydave said:

The Ruddy obsession means he's obviously after an experienced keeper, which I understand but theres surely better options, also makes Rushworth unlikely....

Eustace I think wants a keeper who he can trust hence why he wants Ruddy. He deffo wouldn't be my choice either tho. 

3 hours ago, pick32 said:

Don’t want Germain or Dembele, surely better options out there.

any suggestions? 

[Paul Mani]

9 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

I would hope that is untrue.

Eustace will be given a short summary of key statistics and facts but will not be seeing everything Park is and for good reason

Eustace is there to coach and Park to aide recruitment.

Your view of recruitment is very very old fashioned and does not align with modern clubs 

 

Hahahha - ok mate. Bit awkward 👍🏼

[M_B]

Maybe Eustace remembers the players as ones who were in the play off places when he left, rather than ones who went down under Rooney. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, islander200 said:

Well his title is head coach?Why not manager 

Why bring in Gestede, Owen and Park?

Park, Gestede and Owen to improve the recruit of players from previous seasons under GB and Williams/Kimberley cos it wasn't good enough. Park/Gestede/Owen found 2 strikers who was better than we have signed in few years since we signed Armstrong and BBD

1 hour ago, MB Rover said:

All this talk of the Brentford/Brighton model on this forum but now moaning and think the manager should pick and sanction all deals. The Brighton and Brentford ‘managers’ (first team coaches) have no say on transfers. They don’t have access to the data and insights that the recruitment teams do. We’ve spent all this money on wages for multiple back room recruitment bods and if what unleaded has said is true, who is the only genuine ITKer we have, then it’s pointless. Sack the lot, including Gestede, and let Eustace pick his players like Mowbray did. You can’t have it both ways.

I would imagine Thomas Frank at Brighton has a lot of say but he has been coach then head coach there, so will know the people very well above him or in the recruitment department who he has build up relationship with

Eustace hasn't work with Park and Gestede for around 2 months so not build up that realtions they need

18 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

The two are not mutually exclusive. Eustace will be seeing all the same content, data and footage that Rudy and Park are seeing. If after all that, he wants player X or Y then in my opinion, unless there is a compelling argument, then we must go with the guy who is a) in charge of the players, and b) judged on the success (or failure) of that team.

It appears with Ohashi and Gueye, that evidence was compelling enough. Maybe the evidence for Germain, Yeboah, Drommel etc just isn’t cutting through with the manager and he’s saying, “that’s great, but I’d prefer Siriki, Ruddy etc”. 

Im sure, as professionals they will come to a compromise. Eustace is 3-2 up on choices so far…One things for sure, I won’t profess to know more about those players than our manager, with 20yrs in the game, Pro Licence and paid to do the job.

The only thing that matters to me is that we spend the right money to get the right players.

exactly Paul, well though out and logically points made.  

[islander200]

29 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

 

Im sure, as professionals they will come to a compromise. Eustace is 3-2 up on choices so far…One things for sure, I won’t profess to know more about those players than our manager, with 20yrs in the game, Pro Licence and paid to do the job.

 

Am I professing I know more than Eustace?By the way he is head coach...not the manager?. There is a difference most head coaches don't have much of a say in recruitment 

Dembele spells on the bench at every club he has been at.Woeful goals and assist record.

I think it would be a poor signing and I think better can be found for the same money both fee and wages he is likely to cost .Be a lazy signing too plumping for someone the head coach knows 

 

 

 

 

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Park, Gestede and Owen to improve the recruit of players from previous seasons under GB and Williams/Kimberley cos it wasn't good enough. Park/Gestede/Owen found 2 strikers who was better than we have signed in few years since we signed Armstrong and BBD

 

Yeah that's why I think they should be leading the recruitment,  not Eustace and his ex player brigade 

[StaffordRover]

19 minutes ago, Rover1984 said:

Eustace is 3-2 up on players. Only difference is the 3 he’s brought in are not starters. If his choices like Ruddy who are not going to improve the starting 11 then I hope he is overlooked for the rest of the window

Just a thought but do wonder if bringing in the older heads is as much about their ability to instill some confidence, nouse and steel into the squad as it is for them to improve the first 11 themselves. They can nevertheless be called upon when required and undoubtedly will be required if no fresh faces come in next week. In the case of Ruddy, does anyone know if he's commenced any coaching quals? Maybe JE doesn't rate Benson and believes Ruddy's experience and presence alone will add more value in terms of improving the confidence in the goalkeeping department than what he physically brings. Based on current feelings toward our number 1 he would have his work cut out to energise Pears and make him a better keeper at this time, but surely some of the accountability must lie with the goalkeeping coach? I actually think Pears has the capacity to be a decent keeper, but he has been inconsistent for some time now and his confidence must be fragile. Who knows, there may be a plan to acquire 2 keepers next week, with one intended as a starter, the other challenging for number 2.

[CambridgeRover]

26 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Hahahha - ok mate. Bit awkward 👍🏼

Why is it awkward?

[Iceman]

58 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We had a Chilean superstar for 18 months and did nothing with it.

I wouldn't worry about the marketing with these guys in charge.

Superstar is a bit of a strong word to use lol 

[Angry_Pirate]

Some may call this an overreaction, but I think our best XI (right now) is how we finished yesterday - except JRC on the RW.

Ohashi looks like a potential game changer at #10, the team needs the presence of Gueye, Sigurdsson has undoubtedly quality and end product.

JRC is not a RW, and I'd like to see him play more CM/CAM when appropriate. But Ohashi, Sigurdsson and JRC could be fluid as a 3.

Dolan, Hedges, Weimann all have a key role, but we don't want 2 of those 3 starting any game. 

All being said, this team needs to add another quality addition who can play 35-40 games from the LW/RW.

Edited August 25 by Angry_Pirate

[Exiled_Rover]

14 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Superstar is a bit of a strong word to use lol 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

27 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yeah that's why I think they should be leading the recruitment,  not Eustace and his ex player brigade 

Ex player brigade is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it. We've been linked with a grand total of 2 of his former players.

I'm guessing then you were similarly dismissive when Souness signed Neill, Tugay and Friedel? Sometimes a manager signing  a player he knows well works out well, sometimes it doesn't.

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yeah that's why I think they should be leading the recruitment,  not Eustace and his ex player brigade 

But as @Paul Manisays its the head coach job on the line if he doesn't get the results so he should and rightly have an opinion. 

Eustace will have access to the same data, analysis and video clips as Park and the recruitment team, but if Eustace doesn't agree or think he doesn't fit then quite rightly says no. 

On Dembele I would sign him if Nixon story he is available for £1m. Seems a no brainer for me. 

On Ruddy, not keen at all. Think Drommel, Rushworth or Iversen are better options for me. 

 

 

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Ex player brigade is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it. We've been linked with a grand total of 2 of his former players.

I'm guessing then you were similarly dismissive when Souness signed Neill, Tugay and Friedel? Sometimes a manager signing  a player he knows well works out well, sometimes it doesn't.

2? Dembele, Ruddy, Stansfield,Pak, the young midfielder from Birmingham this morning...that's 5 

The media haven't mentioned a player he wants that hasn't played for him yet 

Sourness hadn't worked with Neill before...Tugay and Friedal where internationals who came here after only plating top flight football...a bit different than raiding league one Birmingham 

Edited August 25 by islander200