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[Erased Citizen]

  On 28/08/2024 at 12:58, Neal said:

11 million for Federico Chiesa whilst Tyler Morton has been linked to Leverkusen for 20 million... Twenty million pounds for Tyler feckin sideways and backwards Morton. 

 

Have I woken up in an alternative reality? 

 

Perhaps we did get a fair price for Szmods?

 

I have no idea what are players worth anymore.

 

Bonkers. 

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Chiesa is an absolute crock tbf. He's a player but he's missed about 80 games through injury in the past 3 seasons

[superniko]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:10, Bbrovers2288 said:

Much rather we spent some money on perm signings that one season wonder loans 

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The best teams in the league always have a few premier league quality loans to compliment their squad. e.g. Hutchinson at Ipswich last season
We, in particular, need to make the most of this because of our ‘financial predicament’.

But yes, we should be reinvesting a chunk of that £40m of course 

[Mercer]

  On 28/08/2024 at 12:50, chaddyrovers said:

How much of Ryo have you seen? 

Birmingham are signing another winger Scott Wright so Surely Dembele is available and we should be all over that

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Ryo - as much as you or anyone else on this MB has seen as with Gueye and Ohashi before they were signed.

It's all opinion but think Dembele might be well left alone - we do not need players with attitude problems who throw toys out the pram if something just doesn't suit.

[Paul Mani]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:17, Mercer said:

Ryo - as much as you or anyone else on this MB has seen as with Gueye and Ohashi before they were signed.

It's all opinion but think Dembele might be well left alone - we do not need players with attitude problems who throw toys out the pram if something just doesn't suit.

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Yeah, thanks. I think we can probably trust our Head Coach, John Eustace who signed, worked with and managed Dembele, to make that professional call.

Right? 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Paul Mani

[rover23]

Cantwell fee is £600k. 
 

A punt worth taking. 
 

In 2021 Norwich rejected £30m for him 🤯

[chaddyrovers]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:01, roversfan99 said:

I never said that Eustace will do that.

I personally think, as do others, that Rankin Costello has had by far his best performances in a Rovers shirt from right back. Not only to specifically drift inside, but he was better defensively there than I expected and he lacks the athleticism to pose a threat further up the pitch. He also struggles in a frantic midfield to be aware of whats around him, hes better moving from deep ie at full back. He struggled in central midfield last season, and when put back there yesterday he had an absolute nightmare. He also doesnt look well suited to playing wide. 

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He suits playing how JDT wanted to play but would that sorted how Eustace wants to play formation and tactical? also factoring in he has played there 3 times, he has been carrying an injury and it is far too early to judge him playing wide right 

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:01, roversfan99 said:

And yes, desperate if reports are to be believed. Piss poor budget and lots of infighting over which targets we want leaves us with lots to do in little over 48 hours. Weve gone through loads of goalkeeping targets to end up seemingly flying over a random Hungarian. We are desperate for speed out wide yet have seemingly ended up resorting to Todd Cantwell. Ashby if those reports are true also doesnt fit the remit of what we need. Just seems like loads of people having loads of opinions leading to us just trying desperately to get whatever we can over the line.

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You will have list after list for each position in terms of cost, perm, loan. You will probably speak to agents and clubs over possible targets finding the transfer fee involve, wages, agent fees. Then you leaks after leaks. I bet we have enquired over a 100 players this summer to find out whether they are interest in moving here, are they available to move, transfer fee/loan fee, players wages and agents fee. 

How do you know that the keeper is random? but he was a list but down the list or on a different list and has just become available late in the window? 

How do you know Cantwell is being sign as winger only? Eustace has spoken about having different options in attacking areas. How do you know we won't sign another winger? 

 

[islander200]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:23, Paul Mani said:

Yeah, thanks. I think we can probably trust our Head Coach, John Eustace who signed, worked with and managed Dembele, to make that professional call.

Right? 

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How long did Eustace have Dembele for?

It's a fact he has been left out of Birmingham squads both last season and this.

We don't have to agree with the managers opinion,  just because Eustace is a football manager doesn't him right and us wrong.

If Eustace judgement was impeccable he wouldn't be the head coach at a championship club he would be higher up.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:17, Mercer said:

Ryo - as much as you or anyone else on this MB has seen as with Gueye and Ohashi before they were signed.

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Ok thanks for the reply 

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:17, Mercer said:

It's all opinion but think Dembele might be well left alone - we do not need players with attitude problems who throw toys out the pram if something just doesn't suit.

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Who says Dembele has an attitude player? Eustace signed him last summer and he started well under him. Maybe trust Eustace judgement on him

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:23, Paul Mani said:

Yeah, thanks. I think we can probably trust our Head Coach, John Eustace who signed, worked with and managed Dembele, to make that professional call.

Right? 

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1000% correct

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 28/08/2024 at 12:58, Neal said:

11 million for Federico Chiesa whilst Tyler Morton has been linked to Leverkusen for 20 million... Twenty million pounds for Tyler feckin sideways and backwards Morton. 

 

Have I woken up in an alternative reality? 

 

Perhaps we did get a fair price for Szmods?

 

I have no idea what are players worth anymore.

 

Bonkers. 

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That’s more than we got for Wharton !

[chaddyrovers]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:29, islander200 said:

How long did Eustace have Dembele for?

It's a fact he has been left out of Birmingham squads both last season and this.

We don't have to agree with the managers opinion,  just because Eustace is a football manager doesn't him right and us wrong.

If Eustace judgement was impeccable he wouldn't be the head coach at a championship club he would be higher up.

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Maybe he does need managing properly like Ferguson did at Peterborough with him? 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:29, islander200 said:

How long did Eustace have Dembele for?

It's a fact he has been left out of Birmingham squads both last season and this.

We don't have to agree with the managers opinion,  just because Eustace is a football manager doesn't him right and us wrong.

If Eustace judgement was impeccable he wouldn't be the head coach at a championship club he would be higher up.

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Manager fall out 

same as JDT and Travis here doesn’t make Travis a bad player though does it?

[islander200]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:31, chaddyrovers said:

Maybe he does need managing properly like Ferguson did at Peterborough with him? 

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There was times he was on the bench for pboro too.

On his day he is good player and a threat but goals and assists  return is poor and at every club he has been at he has spent time on the bench and the clubs end up wanting him away.

How long did Eustace work with Dembele for?Not very long.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:01, roversfan99 said:

I never said that Eustace will do that.

I personally think, as do others, that Rankin Costello has had by far his best performances in a Rovers shirt from right back. Not only to specifically drift inside, but he was better defensively there than I expected and he lacks the athleticism to pose a threat further up the pitch. He also struggles in a frantic midfield to be aware of whats around him, hes better moving from deep ie at full back.

He struggled in central midfield last season, and when put back there yesterday he had an absolute nightmare. He also doesnt look well suited to playing wide. 

And yes, desperate if reports are to be believed. Piss poor budget and lots of infighting over which targets we want leaves us with lots to do in little over 48 hours. Weve gone through loads of goalkeeping targets to end up seemingly flying over a random Hungarian. We are desperate for speed out wide yet have seemingly ended up resorting to Todd Cantwell. Ashby if those reports are true also doesnt fit the remit of what we need. Just seems like loads of people having loads of opinions leading to us just trying desperately to get whatever we can over the line.

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The difference is if you’re any sort of a right back, or left back, and you know how to play the position - you’re normally playing facing the play. In midfield it’s totally different, it can be going on around you, it’s an eyes in the back of your head role. See Adam Wharton.

Edited August 28, 2024 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Atko's Engine]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:04, J*B said:

I haven't seen him personally but the reviews I've heard back say he's not stood out and isn't as good as Igor.

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That may be true, but the lad's barely had chance to settle in, he's only v young.

Not aiming this at you but some folk seem to think that if a player hasn't "stood out" within 3-4 games of arriving then they're a dud. I think it's a modern trend in life generally, emanating from the accessibility & immediacy of most forms of media nowadays. But folk have lost the ability to be patient & instead react to things in a knee jerk fashion.

See Szmodics, Pedersen, Tronstad even for good examples of slow burners... 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

  On 28/08/2024 at 12:58, Neal said:

11 million for Federico Chiesa whilst Tyler Morton has been linked to Leverkusen for 20 million... Twenty million pounds for Tyler feckin sideways and backwards Morton. 

 

Have I woken up in an alternative reality? 

 

Perhaps we did get a fair price for Szmods?

 

I have no idea what are players worth anymore.

 

Bonkers. 

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Until people realise football prices aren’t solely based on quality alone then they will never understand the market values

are there a lot of players overpriced absolutely 

but the main factors are

age/ceiling

what experience does the player have

ability 

consistency 

contract length 

it’s not just as simple as saying oh he was good last year he’s worth 20 and he was shite last year he’s worth 5 

[London blue]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:39, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Until people realise football prices aren’t solely based on quality alone then they will never understand the market values

are there a lot of players overpriced absolutely 

but the main factors are

age/ceiling

what experience does the player have

ability 

consistency 

contract length 

it’s not just as simple as saying oh he was good last year he’s worth 20 and he was shite last year he’s worth 5 

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You can add how desperate the financial situation is at the selling club to that list

[islander200]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:35, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Manager fall out 

same as JDT and Travis here doesn’t make Travis a bad player though does it?

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Managers fall out?Both this season and last season he has been left out,different people in charge.

I'd rather we paid money for Dembele than say loan in Gordon...but like someone else on here said I think some are taken in by the couple of decent performances he had against us his goal and assist return poor, ended up out of the squad of a relegated side.He would give us a different dimension to what we currently have but imo we should be looking at better with the money that's come in.

It's the "Trust Eustace" argument I'm calling out he worked with Dembele for a short period, when results where going well 

[TommyRovers]

Cantwell for 600k is unbelievable business 

[MarkBRFC]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:45, TommyRovers said:

Cantwell for 600k is unbelievable business 

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We'll see, need to agree his wages first.

Still think this will fall through for that very reason.

[TheRevAshton]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:45, TommyRovers said:

Cantwell for 600k is unbelievable business 

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If we pull it off! Can see this one either;

A - Getting hijacked
or
B - Collapsing due to wage demands

Edited August 28, 2024 by TheRevAshton

[jim mk2]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:45, TommyRovers said:

Cantwell for 600k is unbelievable business 

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Too much for Rovers though

[Crimpshrine]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:46, TheRevAshton said:

If we pull it off! Can see this one either;

A - Getting hijacked
or
B - Collapsing due to wage demands

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C - Not pressing send

[Neal]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:39, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Until people realise football prices aren’t solely based on quality alone then they will never understand the market values

are there a lot of players overpriced absolutely 

but the main factors are

age/ceiling

what experience does the player have

ability 

consistency 

contract length 

it’s not just as simple as saying oh he was good last year he’s worth 20 and he was shite last year he’s worth 5 

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No disrespect but I think most of us know that. There are probably a few that don't of course but at the end of the day it comes down to how much club A want the player from club B. Many over pay for what they're getting. 

 

I don't wish to turn this thread into another discussion but Liverpool are getting a potentially world class player for 11 million and it just highlights how much other clubs are paying for dross footballers. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Neal

[Lancaster Rover]

Cantrell won't get hijacked, nobody wanted him when he left Norwich and he's not had any takers in the 4 months since he lobbed his toys out the pram at Rangers 

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 28/08/2024 at 13:45, TommyRovers said:

Cantwell for 600k is unbelievable business 

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Why, has it gone through?