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[Mike E]

38 minutes ago, AJW said:

There are other Blackburn Rovers  Forums …….?????

None worth joining.

I’m a member of a couple of others (golf, and wrestling).

[wilsdenrover]

30 minutes ago, Mike E said:

None worth joining.

I’m a member of a couple of others (golf, and wrestling).

I’m intrigued as to how a golf forum can get toxic.

[Mike E]

16 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I’m intrigued as to how a golf forum can get toxic.

There are golfers who still believe golf should be old white men only.

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, Mike E said:

There are golfers who still believe golf should be old white men only.

How very bizarre

[Norbert Rassragr]

Not surprising considering golf has been a pastime for upper middle class blazer wearing tossers in the past. Doctors, dentists and architects, that sort.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 minutes ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Not surprising considering golf has been a pastime for upper middle class blazer wearing tossers in the past. Doctors, dentists and architects, that sort.

Another form of Masonry ?

[rigger]

45 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Another form of Masonry ?

A brick wall ?

[tomphil]

I know someone who was a mason but he only went to the not so secret meetings twice.

Probably because he hated golf.

Edited September 3, 2024 by tomphil

[bluebruce]

6 hours ago, tomphil said:

Yep just the same as Leo but a good bit older and more experienced although still below championship level.

The main defining factor i feel will be character, Walsted never looked comfortable he very much resembled a rabbit in the headlights on the pitch despite seeming of a confident nature in his interviews.

If this lad is more grounded and steady that will make a big difference as at his age he should be ready to step up, Leo wasn't.

Technically there is a bit more difference than that - Leo was 24 and had a Sweden cap (they're ranked 29th currently) and Toth is 27 tomorrow and has zero caps (Hungary are ranked 32nd). Wahlstedt had better international credentials at roughly 3 years younger.

Of course, this is all relatively meaningless, but worth pointing out to anyone who wants to say he is an international keeper (which he isn't yet despite making some squads) and therefore isn't a gamble, when someone with better international credentials failed here recently.

You're right about mentality being key. Half of being a keeper happens in the mind, even moreso than other positions I'd say. Focus, confidence, communication and ability to read the game are absolutely essential. The physical attributes, raw talent and reflexes can only take you so far before you're found woefully out of position, or getting to something too slowly because your low confidence has slowed your decision making.

[bluebruce]

23 hours ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Has O'riordan played for a the club he's on loan too yet? 

I'm hoping he does well there and returns to us at Christmas ready to fight for some first team game time

3 times in the league and once in the cup. Looks like he's played the full game each time, at least in the league.

For what it's worth, Sofascore has given him ratings of 6.9, 6.3, 6.9 in the league. Interestingly, his best rating was 7, in a 2-1 defeat to QPR in the cup, the highest level of opposition he's faced. The 6.3 was in a 4-4 draw with Blackpool, I doubt any defenders on the pitch came out with credit from that one! Plenty of stats here if you're interested: https://www.sofascore.com/player/connor-oriordan/1133480

[Mike E]

25 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Technically there is a bit more difference than that - Leo was 24 and had a Sweden cap (they're ranked 29th currently) and Toth is 27 tomorrow and has zero caps (Hungary are ranked 32nd). Wahlstedt had better international credentials at roughly 3 years younger.

Of course, this is all relatively meaningless, but worth pointing out to anyone who wants to say he is an international keeper (which he isn't yet despite making some squads) and therefore isn't a gamble, when someone with better international credentials failed here recently.

You're right about mentality being key. Half of being a keeper happens in the mind, even moreso than other positions I'd say. Focus, confidence, communication and ability to read the game are absolutely essential. The physical attributes, raw talent and reflexes can only take you so far before you're found woefully out of position, or getting to something too slowly because your low confidence has slowed your decision making.

The other keepers selected with Toth respectively are 34 and 33, and play for RP Leipzig and Ferencvaros, who have shared international duties roughly 60/40 for the last 10 years.

Just adding a bit of context as to his potential international credentials, his competitors have played reasonably regular European competition for their clubs, and he seems to be the rising star behind them, 26 still being relatively young for a GK (albeit he should now be hitting his stride, which seems to be the case from his most recent season).

[tomphil]

So in essence there are no actual grounds to throw him straight in just because a Pears cock up might be inevitable when we don't even know if he'll be up to the job himself.

[roversfan99]

We dont know if he will be up to it, but if we have spent money on another keeper who isnt even an upgrade on Pears then its another huge error in recruitment and one that will cost us points because it will mean that Pears remains number 1.

[riverholmes]

51 minutes ago, tomphil said:

So in essence there are no actual grounds to throw him straight in just because a Pears cock up might be inevitable when we don't even know if he'll be up to the job himself.

Been hit and miss with goalie signings. Kaminski the success story, signed from Gent. Early days for Jack Barrett; I think he’s given away two pens in his first few games but he’s only just starting and is 22. Prior to Leo Wahlstedt, there was the young Greek, Antonis Stergiakis, who signed for the U21s but didn’t stay long. 

Incidentally, if we include the U18s and loaned out players, Rovers could field a goalie eleven. It seems we’ve accumulated more than is quite necessary with the new additions and hanging on to Hilton and Eastham, for now.

Pears, Toth, Hilton, Barrett, Goddard, Michalski, Khan, Eastham, Honor and U18s, Thompson and Wolsoncroft.

Edited September 3, 2024 by riverholmes

[lraC]

4 hours ago, riverholmes said:

Been hit and miss with goalie signings. Kaminski the success story, signed from Gent. Early days for Jack Barrett; I think he’s given away two pens in his first few games but he’s only just starting and is 22. Prior to Leo Wahlstedt, there was the young Greek, Antonis Stergiakis, who signed for the U21s but didn’t stay long. 

Incidentally, if we include the U18s and loaned out players, Rovers could field a goalie eleven. It seems we’ve accumulated more than is quite necessary with the new additions and hanging on to Hilton and Eastham, for now.

Pears, Toth, Hilton, Barrett, Goddard, Michalski, Khan, Eastham, Honor and U18s, Thompson and Wolsoncroft.

Stick that on the Burnley thread, as according to them, we are going to need 11 keepers for the fixture in January.

[roverblue]

Shame we went out the Carabao as would have been a safer place to blood him in. Guess we stick with Pears till he cocks up or gets injured.

[neophox]

Gueye, Cozier-Duberry, Cantwell, Ohashi, Beck, Toth and Baker has really improved our team and all of them could go in to our starting eleven soon. Good signings that will be even better after the international break training two full weeks with the team.

Batth and McFadzean has given us defensive cover and Batth is back from injury already. Leonard coming back from injury has given us even more options up front. With Szmodics still here I really think we could had blasted it this year.

A good solid start of the season.

[Inferi]

8 hours ago, tomphil said:

So in essence there are no actual grounds to throw him straight in just because a Pears cock up might be inevitable when we don't even know if he'll be up to the job himself.

Pears is terrible! Why wait? The logical move is to start the new keeper who has (hopefully) been identified as an upgrade by the recruitment team. For example the keeper who Derby started against us had a great game against Middlesbrough but has been benched since then in favour of their new keeper. 

Edited September 4, 2024 by Inferi

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, Inferi said:

Pears is terrible! Why wait? The logical move is to start the new keeper who has (hopefully) been identified as an upgrade by the recruitment team. For example the keeper who Derby started against us had a great game against Middlesbrough but has been benched since then in favour of their new keeper. 

As much as Pears suffers with mistakes we saw how calamitous it can be to bring in a keeper out of their depth and then destroy their confidence..... Leo was unbelievably poor 

One big thing Toth does have in his favour though is under Eustace he will be a lot better protected than Leo was. But we have to make sure he is acclimatised. Its very hard for a keeper to recover when they have a bad start.

I wouldnt be rushing it.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Inferi said:

Pears is terrible! Why wait? The logical move is to start the new keeper who has (hopefully) been identified as an upgrade by the recruitment team. For example the keeper who Derby started against us had a great game against Middlesbrough but has been benched since then in favour of their new keeper. 

You really haven't read what's been debated have you.

[islander200]

11 hours ago, tomphil said:

So in essence there are no actual grounds to throw him straight in just because a Pears cock up might be inevitable when we don't even know if he'll be up to the job himself.

Eustace isn't happy with Pears as his number 1

Just because Wahlstedt was poor plenty of foreign goalkeepers that have never played in England before have come over and done well. 

We might not know much about Toth but pretty sure recruitment will ,Pears isn't a long term option. Get Toth in ASAP 

[Inferi]

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

You really haven't read what's been debated have you.

The notion that Pears is a "safe" option and that it's "too risky" to start the new keeper doesn't make any sense if you consider how poor Pears is. The situation would be a bit different if Pears was a solid but bang average keeper. 

[rigger]

2 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

As much as Pears suffers with mistakes we saw how calamitous it can be to bring in a keeper out of their depth and then destroy their confidence..... Leo was unbelievably poor 

One big thing Toth does have in his favour though is under Eustace he will be a lot better protected than Leo was. But we have to make sure he is acclimatised. Its very hard for a keeper to recover when they have a bad start.

I wouldnt be rushing it.

Should Toth have been tried in the U21s last night ?

[tomphil]

16 minutes ago, Inferi said:

The notion that Pears is a "safe" option and that it's "too risky" to start the new keeper doesn't make any sense if you consider how poor Pears is. The situation would be a bit different if Pears was a solid but bang average keeper. 

And if Toth was chucked in v Dingles, cocked up and we lost what would the debate be now ?

Oh shit bring Pears back and sack the recruitment team......

A bit like it was last season which is what we need to learn from and avoid, we are unbeaten and doing ok so we have time to let him train and ease him in.

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

Eustace isn't happy with Pears as his number 1

Just because Wahlstedt was poor plenty of foreign goalkeepers that have never played in England before have come over and done well. 

We might not know much about Toth but pretty sure recruitment will ,Pears isn't a long term option. Get Toth in ASAP 

Eustace wanted a proven keeper which costs money or he wanted the likes of Ruddy or Krull, any of those signings would have gone straight in imo.

As it is we've taken a similar punt to last time again so the only sensible option is to let him get up to speed first as was the plan with Leo but Pears injury changed that.