The Summer Transfer Window (Press Submit)

[ABBEY]

36 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

In the case of Harvey Elliott he was good for both clubs because he was such a fine player, and it's clear from his performances and his comments that he enjoyed playing for Rovers. I really enjoyed watching him - and other excellent loanees such as Tosin, Reed and Harwood-Bellis too

I agree about some of them though - they've been poor and likely no better than some of the young players in our own teams who have been denied first team opportunities as a result. 

Who did it benefit most tho ? us or them _ in the longg run

[chaddyrovers]

33 minutes ago, rigger said:

But who, in your opinion,did the Elliot loan benefit the most Rovers or liverpool ?

But that's how loans work. It's the same when we loan players out like Lenihan or Gent to play and come back here as a better all player. Most clubs used the loan market and make it work them. 

I suspect we loan 2 or 3 players and I hope they have more of impact most of the loans did last season. 

Edited May 26 by chaddyrovers

[ABBEY]

Always pro establishment..

chaddy would you rather we develop our own or other teams?

dont mp an answer ours or others ...if others what's point of an academy

 

[MarkBRFC]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

I think the model is to sell players before their contract expires. If Siggy, Dolan and Gally, who all have 1 year left, indicate they won’t sign another contract then they’ll have to be sold.

 

That was the Gregg/JDT model.

I believe now that we're back to the Waggott/Mowbray/Venus model of letting folk walk out for nothing.

Time will tell I suppose.

[Mattyblue]

Obviously it primarily aided Liverpool as the rest of our side was largely shite that year, so we may as well have not bothered bringing him in.

But if you actually have aspirations to achieve something, then a top quality loan who is better than what you have can be the difference to push you over the top that season.

[Forever Blue]

When Eliot was here which of ‘our own’ was he blocking from developing? And were they as good as Eliot? 
 

some loans are excellent. Some are shite. I think this years loans have been poor. I think Broughton did well on signing up academy players and getting the assets tied down, but his work in the transfer market was mainly poor. 

[Forever Blue]

19 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

That was the Gregg/JDT model.

I believe now that we're back to the Waggott/Mowbray/Venus model of letting folk walk out for nothing.

Time will tell I suppose.

This summer is pivotal really. If the club gets it wrong again like last summer we are in the mire. We got away with it this year due to szmodics. 

Edited May 26 by Forever Blue

[47er]

Nixon's at it again. A 16 year old this time.

https://the72.co.uk/2024/05/26/blackburn-rovers-igor-tyjon-wanted-manchester-united/

Edited May 26 by 47er

[Hasta]

11 minutes ago, ABBEY said:

Always pro establishment..

chaddy would you rather we develop our own or other teams?

dont mp an answer ours or others ...if others what's point of an academy

 

@jim mk2 is right on this one. 
 

Of course we would rather develop our academy more than other peoples youngsters, but the aim is also to balance that with achieving the best possible finish in the upcoming season. Bringing in the likes of Van Hecke or Elliot, which improves the first team significantly, is clearly a good move. It brings in a better calibre of player than we could afford just on transfers in. There’s plenty of clubs who have got out of the Championship with a team containing numerous well-sourced loans. Who is to say without the loan of Adam Armstrong that we  would definitely have got out of league one.  Good loans could also be the difference between staying up or going down.

However they have to be regularly in the first team and a definite improvement over what we can field. I’m not sure playing Ayari and Moran benefited us much more that had we blooded Gilsennan during the season, and hopefully whoever scouted the likes of Mola is no longer at the club. 

[M_B]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

On here? I haven’t seen any of that but surprising if so. He’s a decent Championship player who contributes a lot more than people realise, but he shouldn’t be one of the top earners. 

On here, yes. 

[martonrover]

18 minutes ago, Hasta said:

@jim mk2 is right on this one. 
 

Of course we would rather develop our academy more than other peoples youngsters, but the aim is also to balance that with achieving the best possible finish in the upcoming season. Bringing in the likes of Van Hecke or Elliot, which improves the first team significantly, is clearly a good move. It brings in a better calibre of player than we could afford just on transfers in. There’s plenty of clubs who have got out of the Championship with a team containing numerous well-sourced loans. Who is to say without the loan of Adam Armstrong that we  would definitely have got out of league one.  Good loans could also be the difference between staying up or going down.

However they have to be regularly in the first team and a definite improvement over what we can field. I’m not sure playing Ayari and Moran benefited us much more that had we blooded Gilsennan during the season, and hopefully whoever scouted the likes of Mola is no longer at the club. 

I think the problem is that we can only afford the scraps, rather than the high quality loans which demand a decent loan fee.

Edited May 26 by martonrover

[M_B]

On 18/05/2024 at 14:06, yankfan said:

Leonard is twice the player of Gally. Getting his wages off the books likely worth more than we’d get in a transfer fee 

Didn't take long to find one Forever Blue. 

Edited May 26 by M_B

[Hasta]

8 minutes ago, martonrover said:

I think the problem is that we can only afford the scraps, rather than the high quality loans which demand a decent loan fee.

In which case if they dont improve the first team dont do them.
 

But you can’t question the logic of loaning the likes of Elliot which is where Rigger and Abbey seem to be.

Edited May 26 by Hasta

[martonrover]

Just now, Hasta said:

In which case if they dont improve the first team do them.
 

But you can’t question the logic of loaning the likes of Elliot which is where Rigger and Abbey seem to be.

We tend to get the younger ones, who are rarely ready for the rigors of Championship football.

Elliott was an exception and had the physicality to cope.

[Hasta]

19 minutes ago, martonrover said:

We tend to get the younger ones, who are rarely ready for the rigors of Championship football.

Elliott was an exception and had the physicality to cope.

I’d say JPVH, Elliot, Tosin and the wasted Harrison Reed were all definitely good enough in recent times. I also didn’t mind bringing Chrisene in on loan in Jan as we had injuries as the back and he was good enough to give cover through what was an injury crisis and probably better than Pickering.

But you are correct in that many others just aren’t ready and end up learning on the job.  Branthwaite and Harwood-Bellis both looked ropey to me and yet a few years later are now better than what we have. They probably are two examples where we didn’t get a great deal back from them from the loans, but we did massively benefit the player, their parent club and their careers. 
 

What I don’t like is that, unlike 15+ years ago, football is not in a place where if you get a successful loan you can buy them in the summer. With the stockpiling of home grown players at premier league clubs and the inflated prices it’s always likely to be a one-season deal.

Ultimately though, without a big budget, it’s an area we have to act cleverly in.

 

Edited May 26 by Hasta

[sverrehh]

45 minutes ago, 47er said:

Nixon's at it again. A 16 year old this time.

https://the72.co.uk/2024/05/26/blackburn-rovers-igor-tyjon-wanted-manchester-united/

Could he go for free?

[47er]

8 minutes ago, sverrehh said:

Could he go for free?

At 16 I think he would.

[roversfan99]

So Nixon gets his disciples into frenzy all guessing 2 stories he has, one of which they say is very positive. Turns out it is United showing an interest in one of our youngsters and a passing interest in a young lad at Palace that no one has heard of.

[jim mk2]

26 minutes ago, Hasta said:

I’d say JPVH, Elliot, Tosin and the wasted Harrison Reed were all definitely good enough in recent times. I also didn’t mind bringing Chrisene in on loan in Jan as we had injuries as the back and he was good enough to give cover through what was an injury crisis and probably better than Pickering.

But you are correct in that many others just aren’t ready and end up learning on the job.  Branthwaite and Harwood-Bellis both looked ropey to me and yet a few years later are now better than what we have. They probably are two examples where we didn’t get a great deal back from them from the loans, but we did massively benefit the player, their parent club and their careers. 
 

What I don’t like is that, unlike 15+ years ago, football is not in a place where if you get a successful loan you can buy them in the summer. With the stockpiling of home grown players at premier league clubs and the inflated prices it’s always likely to be a one-season deal.

Ultimately though, without a big budget, it’s an area we have to act cleverly in.

 

And to be fair to Tony Mowbray (without a DoF?) we had some pretty good ones under him

Forgot about Van Hecke, he was a very good player and I had high hopes we would sign him. Ryan Giles another.

It's funny with Harwood-Bellis and Branthwaite though: I thought H-B was a class act and would play for England, while Branthwaite looked like Jay McEverley (sp?), big and cumbersome and League One at best. 

Shows what I know I suppose

 

 

Edited May 26 by jim mk2

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

ok thanks

How do you know he isn't first choice then? 

 

very very rarely do our local media break any king of exclusive. Last one was Eustace. Nicko broke the 3 recent Rovers stories which have all been right with Silvester sacked, Baker in as replacement and GB sack. 

I dont know if Ruddy is a target, never mind our first choice target.

You suggested it would be positive to sign him not because of a personal opinion but because he is Eustace's first choice. That is a statement that surely needs proving, not disproving. You cant pass across something youve made massive assumptions on then call out others for not being able to prove otherwise. 

[wilsdenrover]

18 minutes ago, sverrehh said:

Could he go for free?

 

9 minutes ago, 47er said:

At 16 I think he would.

I think we’d receive £40,000 ‘compensation’ under the Elite Player Performance Plan.

I’m basing that on the belief he’s only been with us for one year.

They’d then be some possible (but fixed) future compensation based on appearances.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

I'm not convinced Szmodic will leave and if he does, it won't be anywhere near the £15 mil people throw about. 

My guess is Waggott will accept a bid of £5-6 mil in the last knockings of the transfer window. None of which will be invested. 

[tomphil]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Towards the end of last season he didn’t ever look like scoring a goal. He wasn’t even missing chances, he wasn’t getting on the end of them. I’ve rarely seen a striker with so little goal poaching instincts, he always seems to go where the ball isn’t going. 

I was on about Nixon but yeah can apply similar comparisons to Gally.

[Mercer]

11 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

I'm not convinced Szmodic will leave and if he does, it won't be anywhere near the £15 mil people throw about. 

My guess is Waggott will accept a bid of £5-6 mil in the last knockings of the transfer window. None of which will be invested. 

I would be absolutely staggered if there is no bid greater than £5/6million.

All this stuff about £20million is nonsense given SS turns 29 in Aug. and has not played at a level higher than the Championship.

Pretty sure someone will take a punt at £10/12million.

[tomphil]

15 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

I'm not convinced Szmodic will leave and if he does, it won't be anywhere near the £15 mil people throw about. 

My guess is Waggott will accept a bid of £5-6 mil in the last knockings of the transfer window. None of which will be invested. 

An undisclosed fee of around 10 mill plus a few add ons i reckon.