The Aynsley Pears appreciation thread.

[Roverthechimp]

Could anyone have imagined Steele in the Premier League? How do we rate his time here in comparison to Pears?

(that said i would be absolutely AMAZED if the link is anything other than a puff piece to give Pears a "boost" probably ordered by our glorious ceo...)

[Bohinen1983]

Steele is the worst keeper I've ever seen in a Rovers shirt. Abysmal.  Still is in my opinion. Hardly covered himself in glory at Sunderland either...

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Of course you would still need a number 1 cos I want more than decent as our number 1 and someone who has the quality I was in a number 1 keeper. 

 

Decent would be a definite upgrade on Pears.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Decent would be a definite upgrade on Pears.

Yet again RF99, I have absolutely no idea why you have reply to me again, since I have given my opinion on Pears and what I want to see in a future keeper signing who needs to be our new number 1 next season. I can't be any more clearer than I have posted on this issue since Saturday post game Derby game 

[Andy]

1 hour ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Steele is the worst keeper I've ever seen in a Rovers shirt. Abysmal.  Still is in my opinion. Hardly covered himself in glory at Sunderland either...

And yet still didn't make a tenth of the regular errors Pears makes.

It's not just the errors either, it's the lack of positional awareness, lack of any kind of bravery and his distribution is shite also.

[roversfan99]

I remember people trying to justify the decision to play Pears over Kaminski because he was "good with his feet."

He isnt.

[M_B]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I remember people trying to justify the decision to play Pears over Kaminski because he was "good with his feet."

He isnt.

Tomasson selected him, justification enough, you just never got over that he rated Pears over Kaminski.

[roversfan99]

Just now, M_B said:

Tomasson selected him, justification enough, you just never got over that he rated Pears over Kaminski.

That implies that a manager is always right. He was wrong with that decision.

For the majority of the time he picked Kaminski. Pears only came in when Kaminski got injured but he seemingly didnt want to rock the boat and put back in the far superior keeper when he was fit again.

[M_B]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That implies that a manager is always right. He was wrong with that decision.

For the majority of the time he picked Kaminski. Pears only came in when Kaminski got injured but he seemingly didnt want to rock the boat and put back in the far superior keeper when he was fit again.

Tomasson obviously didn't think he was "far superior", or he'd have put him straight back in. 

There is no grey area here,no ulterior motive at play, Tomasson preferred Pears.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Tomasson obviously didn't think he was "far superior", or he'd have put him straight back in. 

There is no grey area here,no ulterior motive at play, Tomasson preferred Pears.

I never said there was an ulterior motive. I said it was the wrong decision by Tomasson.

Although based on the fact that Kaminski was his number 1 up until he got that injury, I think it was as much a case of him not wanting to change towards the end of the season rather than actually thinking that Pears was a better keeper.

Who do you think is a better keeper?

[Jackh]

12 hours ago, M_B said:

Tomasson obviously didn't think he was "far superior", or he'd have put him straight back in. 

There is no grey area here,no ulterior motive at play, Tomasson preferred Pears.

Or was Tomasson told to prefer Pears?

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, Jackh said:

Or was Tomasson told to prefer Pears?

Theres's history with our wonderful owners of that happening .

[London blue]

Make JDT play Pears so Kaminski has no second thoughts about leaving when the inevitable offers come in?

I can see it.

 

[DE.]

Considering how much JDT revealed in the press regarding his frustrations, how likely is it that he happened to completely leave out being forced to select a player?

He picked Pears for reasons only he knows. It was a mistake. 

[ageoftherover]

Kaminski had a few dodgy moments prior to his injury. I could understand a coach wanting to motivate him to come back from injury and work hard for his spot. That kind of play can be important for a coach sometimes.

Hes obviously the better keeper though.

[London blue]

30 minutes ago, DE. said:

Considering how much JDT revealed in the press regarding his frustrations, how likely is it that he happened to completely leave out being forced to select a player?

He picked Pears for reasons only he knows. It was a mistake. 

You're more than likely right.

The other option isn't beyond the realms of possibility though, which is the really sad thing.

[chaddyrovers]

JDT never got told to pick anyone. He picks his team based on what he wanted. Not a chance. 

Why didn't he pick Kaminski when over Pears who knows but he was having a few dodgy moments himself prior to being out. Was that down that's injury related? Who knows. None of us know do we. 

What everyone agreed on we need a new number 1 for next season and possible number 2 aswell. 

[London blue]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

JDT never got told to pick anyone. He picks his team based on what he wanted. Not a chance. 

Why didn't he pick Kaminski when over Pears who knows but he was having a few dodgy moments himself prior to being out. Was that down that's injury related? Who knows. None of us know do we. 

What everyone agreed on we need a new number 1 for next season and possible number 2 aswell. 

You can't say something definitive then state that none of us know. You do it all the time.

[KentExile]

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics 😉 

I tried to post the twitter link, but for some reason it is not embedding
 

I note that the above is only for inside the box saves, so presumably shows keepers who are often beaten from longer range in a much better light than they may deserve

Edited 21 hours ago by KentExile

[rigger]

I am not really persuaded by stats. I just know that I think pears is a poor keeper, and I don't want to spend my money to watch him.

[M_B]

20 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I never said there was an ulterior motive. I said it was the wrong decision by Tomasson.

Although based on the fact that Kaminski was his number 1 up until he got that injury, I think it was as much a case of him not wanting to change towards the end of the season rather than actually thinking that Pears was a better keeper.

Who do you think is a better keeper?

At the time, I didn't think there was much in it to be honest, I thought Pears probably suited the way Tomasson wanted to play rather than Kaminski. Pears was by far the better with the ball at feet, especially in tight areas.

Kaminski definitely improved the longer he stayed out of the team, as per most players.

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, M_B said:

At the time, I didn't think there was much in it to be honest, I thought Pears probably suited the way Tomasson wanted to play rather than Kaminski. Pears was by far the better with the ball at feet, especially in tight areas.

Kaminski definitely improved the longer he stayed out of the team, as per most players.

Kaminski had been excellent barring a couple of games right before he broke down with an injury he was carrying. People at the time seemed to only remember those 2 or 3 games when justifying keeping Pears in the team.

[M_B]

10 hours ago, Jackh said:

Or was Tomasson told to prefer Pears?

I'm not having tat to be honest.

[M_B]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Kaminski had been excellent barring a couple of games right before he broke down with an injury he was carrying. People at the time seemed to only remember those 2 or 3 games when justifying keeping Pears in the team.

I don't really remember thinking of him as excellent. At the time, there wasn't any obvious gulf  between the two, resulting in Pears keeping his place.

[StHelensRover]

19 hours ago, KentExile said:

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics 😉 

I tried to post the twitter link, but for some reason it is not embedding
 

I note that the above is only for inside the box saves, so presumably shows keepers who are often beaten from longer range in a much better light than they may deserve

Interesting graphic but as you note I don't think it ultimately shows too much, taken one very specific metric and lot of context missing around it. 

I'm sure Aynsley works his arse off and is a lovely lad, but watching him over several years, he doesn't pass the eye test for me. He still makes the same howlers regularly that he made very early on e.g. Wigan away where he was at directly at fault for all three goals. All players make mistakes in all games. But when goalies do it it's more heavily scrutinised, that has always been part of the game and is why it's such an important position.

Usually when goalies make a mistake it's a one-off in the game and costs one goal. There's been occasions with AP where he has an absolute stinker and costs us multiple goals, think that shows there are issues around confidence and mentality as well as raw ability, maybe it could be coached out of him if we had someone around who knew what they were doing with a young-ish goalie.