Adam Owen set to become Rovers new head of technical.

[Exiled_Rover]

15 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

This thread sums up the risks of adding people in technical roles at a dysfunctional club.

It adds unnecessary confusion and conflict if it is at a club that cant operate efficiently.

Broughton was cleaning a lot of things up, but obviously that didn't suit Waggot and his shadowy puppet master - hence the admin 'error's during the two January transfer windows and then his eventual dismissal.

The whole thing stinks. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Broughton was cleaning a lot of things up, but obviously that didn't suit Waggot and his shadowy puppet master - hence the admin 'error's during the two January transfer windows and then his eventual dismissal.

The whole thing stinks. 

It all goes back to India. Waggott and Suhail are just willing puppets.

[LDRover]

So, the guy likes a move as his extensive CV at footballing backwaters attests to.

However, the link with Chris Coleman makes me uneasy but not as uneasy as who was one of his colleagues at Hibs - King Rat himself. Could it be the more things change the more they stay the same??

[SuperBrfc]

An assistant from a place that the king rat recently had a spell at. I could just stop there. Tell me nothing has changed, without telling me nothing has changed.

A nothing appointment, in my view. I recall people similarly hyping up Broughton due to his qualifications. It's not difficult to find people better qualified than the clowns that inhabit the upper corridors at Ewood.

Clubs like Newcastle, Brighton and even Man Utd might have these fancy technical directors and recruitment setups, there's a slight difference though. Those are serious football clubs with real operators who want their clubs to succeed. They are also in the business of finding quality footballers. When they sell their best players, they go out and find others. Like proper clubs do.

What we have, is an absolute shitshow led by people with super agent connections. Why is it that no matter what happens, no matter how many years pass by, all roads STILL seemingly lead back to the same place?

Those fancy positions mean nothing here under these owners and only act as a shield for the car salesman, the shadow man and their buddies. Yet the gullible will fall for it. We've just had Kimberly overseeing recruitment here, plus Broughton and a whole new recruitment team and what have they managed to come up with?

A lot of that might not be their fault due to budget cuts and the clowns changing like the wind, but they serve as examples of these appointments being a waste of time.

You have to wonder why a club, that has no ambition, no care for promotion and does not want to spend on signings, needs so many Directors. Imo, it's window dressing bullshit, to make it look like there is a plan. There is no plan. There is no project. They are winging it.

The only plan this club should ever have in this Division, is how to get back into the Premier League.

Funny how, the only two people at the club who spoke about Rovers becoming a Premier League club again have recently been removed. I was far from a Broughton fan, I didn't agree with his "pathways" philosophy, nor am I fussed about his departure. However, I do believe he was being genuine when he spoke about Rovers and the aim to become a sustainable Premier League club.

When has that bastard Waggott ever said anything about promotion? From day one his aim has been to save the owners from having to spend. They've been so generous haven't they, Steve? We have to "give them something back" eh, Steve? Strange how a £150m jackpot for promotion doesn't seem appealing. Surely that would be the best way for us to "give something back" to these "generous" owners, Steve?

A technical director coming in means little to me and changes nothing.

Waggott out.

[Penwortham Blue]

21 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

An assistant from a place that the king rat recently had a spell at. I could just stop there. Tell me nothing has changed, without telling me nothing has changed.

A nothing appointment, in my view. I recall people similarly hyping up Broughton due to his qualifications. It's not difficult to find people better qualified than the clowns that inhabit the upper corridors at Ewood.

Clubs like Newcastle, Brighton and even Man Utd might have these fancy technical directors and recruitment setups, there's a slight difference though. Those are serious football clubs with real operators who want their clubs to succeed. They are also in the business of finding quality footballers. When they sell their best players, they go out and find others. Like proper clubs do.

What we have, is an absolute shitshow led by people with super agent connections. Why is it that no matter what happens, no matter how many years pass by, all roads STILL seemingly lead back to the same place?

Those fancy positions mean nothing here under these owners and only act as a shield for the car salesman, the shadow man and their buddies. Yet the gullible will fall for it. We've just had Kimberly overseeing recruitment here, plus Broughton and a whole new recruitment team and what have they managed to come up with?

A lot of that might not be their fault due to budget cuts and the clowns changing like the wind, but they serve as examples of these appointments being a waste of time.

You have to wonder why a club, that has no ambition, no care for promotion and does not want to spend on signings, needs so many Directors. Imo, it's window dressing bullshit, to make it look like there is a plan. There is no plan. There is no project. They are winging it.

The only plan this club should ever have in this Division, is how to get back into the Premier League.

Funny how, the only two people at the club who spoke about Rovers becoming a Premier League club again have recently been removed. I was far from a Broughton fan, I didn't agree with his "pathways" philosophy, nor am I fussed about his departure. However, I do believe he was being genuine when he spoke about Rovers and the aim to become a sustainable Premier League club.

When has that bastard Waggott ever said anything about promotion? From day one his aim has been to save the owners from having to spend. They've been so generous haven't they, Steve? We have to "give them something back" eh, Steve? Strange how a £150m jackpot for promotion doesn't seem appealing. Surely that would be the best way for us to "give something back" to these "generous" owners, Steve?

A technical director coming in means little to me and changes nothing.

Waggott out.

Brilliant post, 100% aligned with how I feel and I would wager, the vast majority of the fan base. Well said Super, Swag out, now ! They dropped lucky with JDT but just couldn’t handle his ambition and aspiration to take this club back to the top division.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, SuperBrfc said:

An assistant from a place that the king rat recently had a spell at. I could just stop there. Tell me nothing has changed, without telling me nothing has changed.

A nothing appointment, in my view. I recall people similarly hyping up Broughton due to his qualifications. It's not difficult to find people better qualified than the clowns that inhabit the upper corridors at Ewood.

Clubs like Newcastle, Brighton and even Man Utd might have these fancy technical directors and recruitment setups, there's a slight difference though. Those are serious football clubs with real operators who want their clubs to succeed. They are also in the business of finding quality footballers. When they sell their best players, they go out and find others. Like proper clubs do.

What we have, is an absolute shitshow led by people with super agent connections. Why is it that no matter what happens, no matter how many years pass by, all roads STILL seemingly lead back to the same place?

Those fancy positions mean nothing here under these owners and only act as a shield for the car salesman, the shadow man and their buddies. Yet the gullible will fall for it. We've just had Kimberly overseeing recruitment here, plus Broughton and a whole new recruitment team and what have they managed to come up with?

A lot of that might not be their fault due to budget cuts and the clowns changing like the wind, but they serve as examples of these appointments being a waste of time.

You have to wonder why a club, that has no ambition, no care for promotion and does not want to spend on signings, needs so many Directors. Imo, it's window dressing bullshit, to make it look like there is a plan. There is no plan. There is no project. They are winging it.

The only plan this club should ever have in this Division, is how to get back into the Premier League.

Funny how, the only two people at the club who spoke about Rovers becoming a Premier League club again have recently been removed. I was far from a Broughton fan, I didn't agree with his "pathways" philosophy, nor am I fussed about his departure. However, I do believe he was being genuine when he spoke about Rovers and the aim to become a sustainable Premier League club.

When has that bastard Waggott ever said anything about promotion? From day one his aim has been to save the owners from having to spend. They've been so generous haven't they, Steve? We have to "give them something back" eh, Steve? Strange how a £150m jackpot for promotion doesn't seem appealing. Surely that would be the best way for us to "give something back" to these "generous" owners, Steve?

A technical director coming in means little to me and changes nothing.

Waggott out.

Good point although the focus has to be Venkys out. 

Waggott is a dirty symptom that would naturally be flushed out once they go. Just getting rid of him as incompetent as he is would change little.

[rigger]

Roll up, roll up, get your season tickets.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, SuperBrfc said:

An assistant from a place that the king rat recently had a spell at.

I was at a company, once, whereby a colleague who I barely spoke to sold the database of our clients for some serious dosh. Should my career be shut down because I was at the same company this particular person was? Is that fair?

Take the bloke in isolation, and even then, give him a chance. He's done nothing to deserve the backlash regarding his appointment on here.

[Mercer]

IMO, our club is just one unholy mess.

Think all these comings and goings tell their own story.

We aren't even shopping in Home Bargains or B & M - we are trawling the charity shops for the cast offs, damaged goods and the cheap unwanted.

IMO, until the Raos, Waggott and Pasha are gone, we will continue to be in a race to the bottom.

IMO, we need an owner of the  ilk of Sugar or Ratcliffe to tear the club to pieces and rid it of all that is rotten and incompetent.

[davulsukur]

38 minutes ago, Mercer said:

IMO, our club is just one unholy mess.

Think all these comings and goings tell their own story.

We aren't even shopping in Home Bargains or B & M - we are trawling the charity shops for the cast offs, damaged goods and the cheap unwanted.

IMO, until the Raos, Waggott and Pasha are gone, we will continue to be in a race to the bottom.

IMO, we need an owner of the  ilk of Sugar or Ratcliffe to tear the club to pieces and rid it of all that is rotten and incompetent.

Agreed.

After 14 years of complete mismanagement, the club is desperate for new ownership and that ownership needs to come in and gut the place completely.

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It wouldnt be a knee jerk reaction after one performance, no one has suggested that anything should be decided on one shoddy performance against QPR.

My point was on people having knee-jerked reaction after one performance like you all the time btw. 

our performance against QPR and JDT post match rant seal his tenure here and he left us. 

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Our budget last season wasnt comparable to Luton when they got promoted as they bought Morris, Doughty and Woodrow as well as loaning Nakamba, Horvarth and Drameh who arent young untested kids. Hardly being unable to even bring in Batth and having to shop in the German 4th division.

those permanent signings cost around £3m but they still pick up some quality signings on free and loans. 

Drameh, this player I have suggested we sign here for right back slot and challenge Brittain for the right back slot. Oh wait, we can't do that cos he was part of Birmingham team that went down. 

We signed 14 players last season and Maybe we should have signed different players from who we did. Instead of signing Telalovic we could have signed 31 years old striker on loan from La Liga(GB comments after last summer window)

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Any credibility in opinions is lost when up until and including a manager/DOF's departure, anyone refuses to accept criticism yet now they are gone, blame is constantly put onto them as if their departure was simply down to the club wanting better.

Cos I look back and judge on what was right and wrong from last season, like end of season review. 

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Tomasson went because he was being very public with his justifiable criticisms regarding the way the club is run and owned, nothing to do with losing faith. Had be not kicked up a stink and accepted the mess around him, he would have continued in his job.

He offered to resign last summer cos the project had change

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Broughton might have been a bit more down to a power struggle but I am not having that his exit was simply because his transfer business was deemed to be unsatisfactory. Perhaps more likely a mixture of a power struggle, cost cutting and again unhappiness on his part as to what has happened above his head compounded by Tomasson going.

How can power struggle with your boss when he has open admitted he reports to Waggott and the board. His opinions may have different from Waggott and the owners or Eustace on the plan going forward

52 minutes ago, goozburger said:

I was at a company, once, whereby a colleague who I barely spoke to sold the database of our clients for some serious dosh. Should my career be shut down because I was at the same company this particular person was? Is that fair?

Take the bloke in isolation, and even then, give him a chance. He's done nothing to deserve the backlash regarding his appointment on here.

agreed there. 

Edited June 2 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

My point was on people having knee-jerked reaction after one performance like you all the time btw. 

our performance against QPR and JDT post match rant seal his tenure here and he left us. 

those permanent signings cost around £3m but they still pick up some quality signings on free and loans. 

Drameh, this player I have suggested we sign here for right back slot and challenge Brittain for the right back slot. Oh wait, we can't do that cos he was part of Birmingham team that went down. 

We signed 14 players last season and Maybe we should have signed different players from who we did. Instead of signing Telalovic we could have signed 31 years old striker on loan from La Liga(GB comments after last summer window)

Cos I look back and judge on what was right and wrong from last season, like end of season review. 

He offered to resign last summer cos the project had change

How can power struggle with your boss when he has open admitted he reports to Waggott and the board. His opinions may have different from Waggott and the owners or Eustace on the plan going forward

agreed there. 

Tomasson's departure wasnt anything to do with the defeat to QPR, it wasnt the club who decided to sack him. He was so pissed off and rightly so that he was having to be gagged pre game, he went because he was fuming in general at the restrictions and the decision was clearly because he had enough.

Of course you can pick up quality frees and loans but you compared our budget to Luton as a way of criticising Broughton. Luton massively aided their promotion push by signing players for fees and signing more senior loans, last summer we spent less than a million and that was on the backdrop of having to sell our keeper, selling Phillips, losing our top scorer for 2 seasons. I criticised Broughton at times during his spell at the club, you only have (like with Tomasson) since he left, but last season both of them had a very difficult job on working with such small resources and even within that, there was a big gap where we couldnt sign anyone, a mid summer slashing of the budget and a potential signing blocked. Nothing comparable to what Luton did to go up.

It seems a bit convenient that having continiously defended both Tomasson and Broughton throughout their time here, as part of an "end of season review" youve now grown fond of repeatedly criticising them, this player wasnt used right, this player wasnt used right, this performance was unacceptable, the transfer record wasnt good enough. Both of their exits werent the result of the club wanting better performance levels, especially Tomassons, they were because of the growing frustration between the pair at the absolute shit show above them. Had you said these things regularly when they were in employment here, you would have more credibility. Now with Eustace again, he cant do any wrong in your eyes. When he goes whenever that is, you will start to criticise him for what he did wrong.

Im not sure where this "knee jerk reaction to one game narrative" has come from. Who is making a judgement on one game and which game is it?

[sparky12]

On 02/06/2024 at 03:01, J*B said:

I’m not entirely clear what a technical director does. What is this guys role? Is this replacing Silvestre or Broughton!

Wilcox is the bridge between manager / recruitment and directors at Utd. Compiles list of players with recruitment team, gets signed off then gives that to manager to choose from the list of 4 in each position i believe.

[roversfan99]

The problem at a club as dysfunctional as ours is any extra bridges tend to increase the risk of conflict and time delays.

[chaddyrovers]

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Tomasson's departure wasnt anything to do with the defeat to QPR, it wasnt the club who decided to sack him. He was so pissed off and rightly so that he was having to be gagged pre game, he went because he was fuming in general at the restrictions and the decision was clearly because he had enough.

I think its was final straw that game and his post match rant about everything. I think Waggott lined up Eustace a couple of weeks he was appointed here. 

Also he wanted out last season and as soon as he offered his resignation last summer, I think Rovers should have accept it cos I think JDT lost his heart in the job which I can understand from JDT point of view completely but the project had changed. 

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Of course you can pick up quality frees and loans but you compared our budget to Luton as a way of criticising Broughton. Luton massively aided their promotion push by signing players for fees and signing more senior loans, last summer we spent less than a million and that was on the backdrop of having to sell our keeper, selling Phillips, losing our top scorer for 2 seasons. I criticised Broughton at times during his spell at the club, you only have (like with Tomasson) since he left, but last season both of them had a very difficult job on working with such small resources and even within that, there was a big gap where we couldnt sign anyone, a mid summer slashing of the budget and a potential signing blocked. Nothing comparable to what Luton did to go up. It seems a bit convenient that having continiously defended both Tomasson and Broughton throughout their time here, as part of an "end of season review" youve now grown fond of repeatedly criticising them, this player wasnt used right, this player wasnt used right, this performance was unacceptable, the transfer record wasnt good enough. Both of their exits werent the result of the club wanting better performance levels, especially Tomassons, they were because of the growing frustration between the pair at the absolute shit show above them. 

I Look back at the season as a whole and who performed well, what signings were good bad or had mixed spells. 

I don't make knee jerk reactions like you do regular. I judge everything over a period of time or season and actually give signings or academy players a proper and fair chance instead of over judging on one game performance. 

You can still find good quality players even on here budget and given we signed 13 players last season(7 players each window) I find your point is wrong. Tronstad was very good signing and proved his worth after a slow start. Ennis wasn't what we needed and rightly sold in January, Sigurdsson, our second top scorer but abit tailed off second half of the season before getting season ended injury. Wahlstedt, Struggled to cope with physical nature of the English game but might need a season to adapt to the English. Moran, started very well but after Mid December he struggled and not feature as much as he did in the first half of the season, Maybe overplayed and need to be rest abit more. Hill, good solid loan signing. Telalovic was risky signing that didn't pay off. Why didn't we not sign Ugbo or Stansfield on loan who proved themselves in this league and scored more than 10 championship goals. 

In January, I thought Ayari and Chrisene were more than decent enough loan signings and I would like them back this coming season if possible. Koumetio featured once in the Newcastle game and that's it, did well but never feature again. O'Riordan one for the future, thought he did well against Stoke but apart from 1 more appearance we didn't see him. McFadzean, I think did the job he was signed for and I would give him another 12 months contract. Fleck only lasted 13 minutes and that's it. 

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Now with Eustace again, he cant do any wrong in your eyes. When he goes whenever that is, you will start to criticise him for what he did wrong.

I thought Eustace got it wrong against Plymouth not change tactics or taking McFadzean off like he should have done. I posted that on here. Maybe you missed it or just choose to ignore it but your comment is wrong

 

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not sure where this "knee jerk reaction to one game narrative" has come from. Who is making a judgement on one game and which game is it?

You do it all the time 

[London blue]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You can still find good quality players even on here budget and given we signed 13 players last season(7 players each window) I find your point is wrong. Tronstad was very good signing and proved his worth after a slow start. Ennis wasn't what we needed and rightly sold in January, Sigurdsson, our second top scorer but abit tailed off second half of the season before getting season ended injury. Wahlstedt, Struggled to cope with physical nature of the English game but might need a season to adapt to the English. Moran, started very well but after Mid December he struggled and not feature as much as he did in the first half of the season, Maybe overplayed and need to be rest abit more. Hill, good solid loan signing. Telalovic was risky signing that didn't pay off. Why didn't we not sign Ugbo or Stansfield on loan who proved themselves in this league and scored more than 10 championship goals. 

In January, I thought Ayari and Chrisene were more than decent enough loan signings and I would like them back this coming season if possible. Koumetio featured once in the Newcastle game and that's it, did well but never feature again. O'Riordan one for the future, thought he did well against Stoke but apart from 1 more appearance we didn't see him. McFadzean, I think did the job he was signed for and I would give him another 12 months contract. Fleck only lasted 13 minutes and that's it.

1 (one) of those signings made any real positive impact on the team over the season. 

There is very little quality on that list of freebies, punts and bottom of the barrel loans. 

[AllRoverAsia]

On 02/06/2024 at 02:01, J*B said:

I’m not entirely clear what a technical director does. What is this guys role? Is this replacing Silvestre or Broughton!

If he knows how to press "submit" he will be replacing Silvestre

[AllRoverAsia]

On 02/06/2024 at 02:14, simongarnerisgod said:

in charge of all things technical,i.e fixing the changing room showers,sorting out the canteen telly and checking all the outdoor lights at brockhall

Maybe he's here to teach Gally how to control the ball first touch, that's an extremely technical and difficult task even for a Welsh guru. At least the Swag Choir should improve 

[AllRoverAsia]

On 02/06/2024 at 03:50, J*B said:

Oversees player development and coaching? As in, makes sure the coaches turn up on time and coach? I am so confused by this, it feels extremely convoluted to me. 

Rovers have more layers than an onion.

Great strategy for plausible deniability.

[Moptop1]

16 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Good point although the focus has to be Venkys out. 

Waggott is a dirty symptom that would naturally be flushed out once they go. Just getting rid of him as incompetent as he is would change little.

Start with Waggott, then target Pasha and watch the house of cards fall.

Problem is, does anyone have the fight anymore?

Edited June 3 by Moptop1

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, Moptop1 said:

Start with Waggott, then target Pasha and watch the house of cards fall.

Problem is, does anyone have the fight anymore?

The house wont fall until the owners are gone.

[Moptop1]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The house wont fall until the owners are gone.

Well, that’s a long wait.

Then they’ll leave us as nothing and walk away with no feelings shown, believing they were hard done by.

And during all this time, the FA have done nothing to help us.

Shame on them and all involved in our downfall.

 

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, Moptop1 said:

Start with Waggott, then target Pasha and watch the house of cards fall.

Problem is, does anyone have the fight anymore?

Generally, Rovers' fans are a placid lot and our owners, Waggott and Pasha get a very easy ride.

In my more 'militant' days, if it felt change was needed, we were on the pitch, in the enclosure in front of the directors' box (right in their faces) and outside the main entrance on Nuttall Street in vociferous numbers. 

Sadly, we have far too many happy clappers who can't see past their own nose.

[ABBEY]

That mercer is your most truest post EVER.

Modern generation can't knock a wank out without being offended 

[Mattyblue]

Think people on here fundamentally misunderstand large chunks of the fanbase.

It’s not that they don’t have enough fight to go after the owners - it’s that they don’t have any particular issue with them in the first place.