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Fifteen years in and we are still bouncing from ‘model’ to ‘model’. Even this season we’ve gone from filling the side with experienced pros now we are back to judging success by ‘academy minutes’ on the pitch.

Insane way to try and run a club at this level, good job we won’t be at this level soon enough.

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23 hours ago, Groundhog said:

Wasn't expecting this - really going for it on the propaganda front

Love that straight in at around 6.50mins - she points out Rovers don't give food to the press, just hot drinks - Preston, Burnley and even League Two Doncaster all treat people better with hot food etc. It's the stuff like that raises awareness.

20mins in and this is toxic as hell. So many slight digs at everyone, JE, the press. Unprofessional.

Did I hear this right around 25mins:

"I think the fans should try and understand not with emotion but with pragmatism, the reason why we can have a match on a Saturday is because they are there in the background putting the money in."

 

I've just watched this entirely and as it went on I found myself tensing up, especially in the last 15 minutes. The comments about the fans, the budget, etc.

A big frustration of an otherwise decent podcast (Sam is always good value) is they didn't ask the questions. "Why in three consecutive seasons has a good opportunity for promotion been wasted? Why have the owners not wanted to go for it?"

I'm sure any other billionaire owners with a team who have just made tens of millions in transfer returns, in fifth place in the league would have wanted to back their manager, if not for the club but to recoup some of their millions they've put in.

Clearly there's still no ambition at the club if they are expecting us to compete using budget players over an entire season.

More frustrating nonsense. Another yes-man employee unwilling to put his head over the parapet and doing what he's told.

One thing is more clear than ever, it's Suhail that's feeding the owners information. I imagine he's telling them all is well, everyone's happy to muddle along, and one day we may get to the promised land by selling our best youngsters and bringing in cheap replacements.

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 I think Allardyce was having a pretty good hint early on as to why the club wasn't learning season after season that you have to invest when you are in a position to go up.

Rudy's dumb answer was basically oh well that wasn't the plan.

Big Sam was more or less saying i'd be pushing the owners for investment in Jan so why aren't you/your mates doing so ?

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Not sure why they are expecting us to be on board with this project. We've been here before, they then sold Adam Wharton and Szmodics but instead of reinvesting some of the money into players, who can then be sold on in the future, the money was just put into the running costs of the club to stop the owners from spending. Not a sustainable model and certainly not the fabled Brentford model they've previously referred to.

 

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Gestede just came across like he holds us fans in total contempt and we don't understand anything about football.

He also spouted a load of contradictory shite about building a club whilst at the same time admitting they won't re-invest in the playing squad or stop valuable players contracts expire by offering better wages.

His whole plan seems to be a miracle 'Adam Wharton' appears every season or so to balance the £20-25m hole in the accounts.

What an ambitious and exciting future he paints. We should all pay £450 to watch a team of academy lads get stuffed 5-0 every week as we slowly drop down the leagues and end up going bust.

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Well thanks Rudy and thanks Admin. The timing of the poll to coincide with Gestedes interview was absolute perfection. 
 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this site come together so comprehensively before. The Raos and top execs have truly been sussed. Everybody can see your naievity towards how you all believe this path your trodding is in any kind of way, the right way. It isn’t and it never will be. 

and for the first time you’re being truly called out.

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Managed all of 25 seconds and quite frankly Gestede is K*%N level duplicitous

Edit: would have loved to have shared a taxi with Big Sam after the show - pretty sure he wouldn't have been quite so subtle

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2 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Not sure why they are expecting us to be on board with this project. We've been here before, they then sold Adam Wharton and Szmodics but instead of reinvesting some of the money into players, who can then be sold on in the future, the money was just put into the running costs of the club to stop the owners from spending. Not a sustainable model and certainly not the fabled Brentford model they've previously referred to.

 

Because we're just numbers on a spreadsheet.

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37 minutes ago, booth said:

Because we're just numbers on a spreadsheet.

I doubt there are too many spreadsheets knocking around, I would say its mostly a wing and a prayer.

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A few years ago it was Gegg Broughton spouting the same great reset and project shite whilst providing the perfect shield for Swaghail and the ownership.

Difference is he did it in a far more affable, professional and respectful manner than this latest puppet until he realised as Director of Football he wasn't actually allowed to direct anything, so then he said nothing until his head was served up for all the gaffs.

So now they've just managed to bring in a cheaper far less experienced version who is no doubt far more adhered to their script and won't go rouge like Gregg did in pursuit of Mcguire. No point getting too worked up because in a year or twos time there'll be another one wheeled out spouting the same crap when Rudy has either moved on or been sacrificed.

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What's funny is that Gregg himself was also inexperienced - at least for the role we gave him. I didn't particularly rate him, but at the same time I don't think he came here to just ride the gravy train. It felt like he did believe he could make a difference and the 'project' alongside JDT was something that may bear fruit if the pair of them were allowed to take their vision forward. Obviously Venky's ended up taking a wrecking ball to that, but nonetheless, regardless of his ability I think Broughton was sincere in what he was trying to achieve.

I don't get that same feeling from Gestede at all. Pretty much the total opposite.

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Yep Rudy is just a cheaper yes man version of GB and his job title is a bit of a farce as pointed out on that podcast.

'Your role is too big' he should be concentrating only on the football with the head coach and those above him but it's a jack of all trades master of non role.  A typical Venky money saving crackpot appointment and he'll find he isn't head of anything when he is constantly overruled or sent to inspect the kitchens and sign off the pie delivery whilst Swaghail ring around looking for 1 year deals of injury prone players.

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4 minutes ago, DE. said:

What's funny is that Gregg himself was also inexperienced - at least for the role we gave him. I didn't particularly rate him, but at the same time I don't think he came here to just ride the gravy train. It felt like he did believe he could make a difference and the 'project' alongside JDT was something that may bear fruit if the pair of them were allowed to take their vision forward. Obviously Venky's ended up taking a wrecking ball to that, but nonetheless, regardless of his ability I think Broughton was sincere in what he was trying to achieve.

I don't get that same feeling from Gestede at all. Pretty much the total opposite.

Broughton extended more deals in two days than these crooks have in 14+ months. The future of Blackburn Rovers is worrying. 

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38 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Yep Rudy is just a cheaper yes man version of GB and his job title is a bit of a farce as pointed out on that podcast.

'Your role is too big' he should be concentrating only on the football with the head coach and those above him but it's a jack of all trades master of non role.  A typical Venky money saving crackpot appointment and he'll find he isn't head of anything when he is constantly overruled or sent to inspect the kitchens and sign off the pie delivery whilst Swaghail ring around looking for 1 year deals of injury prone players.

He wasn't even master at being a footballer a poor man's Jimmy Quinn. 

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Some of the things being said aren't wrong - we need to be smart in the transfer market and we need to use the academy and ultimately we need to either produce sellable assets or take a punt on some rough diamonds from abroad to sell for a profit. 

I think Broughton was sincere in wanting to do that and then wanting to reinvest in the squad. Rudy thinks £4m spent on £30m + of incomings is acceptable and we should be grateful that venkys put a match on every Saturday. 

Broughton was sincere in wanting to get us premier league but pleaded for time when he first came in. Rudy has just said that there was no intention to push for promotion when we were sat in 5th. I thought pro athletes were meant to have a competitive and winning mentality?? 

 

You can debate Broughtons ability if you want but I never once doubted his sincerity to implement a Brighton/ Brentford model and get us promotion. Imo he was firmly on our side but had his hands tied behind his back. Again if you want to question his ability that's fine by me, but not his intentions. 

Rudy on the other hand has just done an hour long podcast where he essentially said "Promotion? Lol fuck off. Why don't you morons be grateful that we even put a team out on a Saturday?" 

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The primary role of the Academy should be to provide players for the first team once they've proved good enough. That would save the admin a massive amount in transfer fees.

Instead the primary role of the Academy now is to produce players to sell so that the club can continue operating.

Why should anyone pay to watch that process?

With Clayton, Douglas et al, we worshipped them as kids, that's partly why we kept going back.

Now the kids invest their emotion in a player like Wharton or Smoditz and they're off in a trice.

No héros----no club.

 

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Yes Broughton wanted the youth pathway, to find players to develop AND invest in quality were we could with the project being build for a Prem push over a few seasons.

Debatable whether he was capable but the money invested when he was here was good, the players to develop were terrible however those he wanted to invest a bit more in, that got pulled, where decent on paper.

Think he signed his own p45 once he laid out what they should do with the Wharton money.

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1 hour ago, sammie said:

Broughton extended more deals in two days than these crooks have in 14+ months. The future of Blackburn Rovers is worrying. 

I suspect Gregg was employed and remunerated on targets other than saving the Indians money wherever possible. I suspect the two stooges that have been here throughout this whole rotten period are tasked with saving the Indians money wherever possible and this neatly explains the contract situation.

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