Championship 24/25

[PotterLog]

13 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What's your initial view on Gallagher Potterlog?

My friend roversfan99 will always defend him to the hilt and he had a moderately successful initial loan period here in a season which saw us relegated but since returning on a permanent basis for a vastly inflated £5m fee I genuinely think he's been one of the worst strikers I've ever seen pull on the blue and white halves in  53 years of watching the Club.

I'm old fashioned and judge a striker primarily on goals scored. For me a top striker should be willing to kill his gran to get on the score sheet. Gallagher in his 2nd spell looked like he never considered scoring goals as part of his job description and could never be bothered getting into positions from which he was likely to score. Neither for such a huge physical unit did he impose himself on the opposition and for someone 6ft 5in jumped 5 ft 7. Second touch was a tackle.

Apart from that he was OK as George Best famously said about Beckham.

(You're probably going to tell me you love him now!) 

Lol.

 

He’s looked a sight more imposing and powerful than the rest of our powder-puff attack when we’ve seen him - which is hardly ever because he’s always injured.

Our fans are hanging their hopes on him but my general opinion is that he’s a chronic crock that we shouldn’t have gone anywhere near.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, PotterLog said:

He’s looked a sight more imposing and powerful than the rest of our powder-puff attack when we’ve seen him - which is hardly ever because he’s always injured.

Our fans are hanging their hopes on him but my general opinion is that he’s a chronic crock that we shouldn’t have gone anywhere near.

He’s a better player than he’s given credit for on here ….. but you’re right, he’s a waste of space because of his injury problems. 

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, PotterLog said:

He’s looked a sight more imposing and powerful than the rest of our powder-puff attack when we’ve seen him - which is hardly ever because he’s always injured.

Our fans are hanging their hopes on him but my general opinion is that he’s a chronic crock that we shouldn’t have gone anywhere near.

most of us were sick of him,continually being injured and when he did appear he was less than willing to mix it with centre backs,despite him being bigger than them

whats your take on adam moran!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PotterLog]

5 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

most of us were sick of him,continually being injured and when he did appear he was less than willing to mix it with centre backs,despite him being bigger than them

whats your take on adam moran!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tidy player with an eye for goal but lightweight. Part of a midfield that’s getting consistently overrun. Not all his fault, he needs a beast or two alongside him, which we don’t have.

[M_B]

22 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

‘Lovely cushioned header’. 
 

You’re definitely his agent😉

I've watched it a few times, it's perfect.

I can't help but like him to be fair,he might be a lunatic, but he's our lunatic 😁.

Credit where it's due though, he's improving.

[simongarnerisgod]

21 minutes ago, PotterLog said:

Tidy player with an eye for goal but lightweight. Part of a midfield that’s getting consistently overrun. Not all his fault, he needs a beast or two alongside him, which we don’t have.

exactly our thoughts,typical academy graduate,technically good but can`t look after himself on the pitch

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What's your initial view on Gallagher Potterlog?

My friend roversfan99 will always defend him to the hilt and he had a moderately successful initial loan period here in a season which saw us relegated but since returning on a permanent basis for a vastly inflated £5m fee I genuinely think he's been one of the worst strikers I've ever seen pull on the blue and white halves in  53 years of watching the Club.

I'm old fashioned and judge a striker primarily on goals scored. For me a top striker should be willing to kill his gran to get on the score sheet. Gallagher in his 2nd spell looked like he never considered scoring goals as part of his job description and could never be bothered getting into positions from which he was likely to score. Neither for such a huge physical unit did he impose himself on the opposition and for someone 6ft 5in jumped 5 ft 7. Second touch was a tackle.

Apart from that he was OK as George Best famously said about Beckham.

(You're probably going to tell me you love him now!) 

Lol.

 

Is it defending him to the hilt to suggest that hes a below average Championship striker when fit, which he doesnt actually seem able to do anymore?

My issue is with all of this hyperbole which is an approach youve again led with by describing him as one of our worst strikers in memory.

Some names of strikers in the Venkys reign of terror. Makhtar Gueye, Niall Ennis, Semir Telalovic, George Hirst, Leon Best, Chris Brown, Luke Varney, Jack Vale, Tony Watt, Simeon Jackson, David Goodwillie, Dom Samuel. He is clearly not one of the very worst strikers we have had.

You criticise his goal tally which as I have said is below average, prior to last season when he didnt play very much, he scored 8 or 9 in each of the 3 seasons prior. Below average. You "judge a striker primarily on goals scored." Yet you compare Gueye favourably to him who approaching the new year has a solitary league goal.

That proves that you are not able to compare without allowing your bias against him to play a part in your analysis.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by roversfan99

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, PotterLog said:

Walters didn’t really like Schuey from the off. SS objected to some of Walters’ signings and when things started to go south Walters flexed.

interesting, I read that Walters took control of signings and Schumacher had little involved. Is that what happened there? 

do you know which signings Schumacher rejected? 

I thought Schumacher would do well for you. shame he didn't get the time. 

2 hours ago, PotterLog said:

I’m at the stage where I really don’t care who comes in next. I don’t believe anything will change. We ruin people’s careers so I’d actually hate it to be someone likeable and on an upward trajectory (eg Eustace). Just someone experienced who can keep us up will have to do for now.

I'm surprised Walters has survived, his signings haven't worked out. 

I think someone like Mowbray would suit your club at the minute. 

Will Tom Cannon stay at Stoke for the rest of the season? 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Is it defending him to the hilt to suggest that hes a below average Championship striker when fit, which he doesnt actually seem able to do anymore?

My issue is with all of this hyperbole which is an approach youve again led with by describing him as one of our worst strikers in memory.

Some names of strikers in the Venkys reign of terror. Makhtar Gueye, Niall Ennis, Semir Telalovic, George Hirst, Leon Best, Chris Brown, Luke Varney, Jack Vale, Tony Watt, Simeon Jackson, David Goodwillie, Dom Samuel. He is clearly not one of the very worst strikers we have had.

You criticise his goal tally which as I have said is below average, prior to last season when he didnt play very much, he scored 8 or 9 in each of the 3 seasons prior. Below average. You "judge a striker primarily on goals scored." Yet you compare Gueye favourably to him who approaching the new year has a solitary league goal.

That proves that you are not able to compare without allowing your bias against him to play a part in your analysis.

 

OK I'll grant you he was slightly better than Ennis, Telalovic, Brown, Reg Varney, Watt and Jackson.

He's no where  near as good as Leon Best prior to his injury. Hirst was terrible here but has done more since he left the Club than Gallagher ever has.

Watt, Goodwillie and Samuel I couldn't really differentiate him from. It's not really fair to compare him to Vale who's a youngster who never got a run in the first team.

Add Paul Mckinnon to the first list and you've just about covered it. I'd also put Grabbi in there - we were really scammed on that one.  Which still makes Gallagher "one of" the worst strikers ever to pull the shirt on imo though. I know we'll never agree on it.

Edited 13 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You criticise his goal tally which as I have said is below average, prior to last season when he didnt play very much, he scored 8 or 9 in each of the 3 seasons prior. Below average. You "judge a striker primarily on goals scored." Yet you compare Gueye favourably to him who approaching the new year has a solitary league goal.

That proves that you are not able to compare without allowing your bias against him to play a part in your analysis.

 

You can’t talk about bias when you are comparing Gallaghers record over a full season against Gueye’s half a season

Gally got 3 goals all of last season in the league. Prior to that he hit around the 8/9 mark, but if memory serves me right in the season before last he only had 1 or 2 goals by Christmas. It was something daft like October to March without a goal. 
Gally played his part for Rovers but in plenty of Championship seasons he got over double figures only once. Gueye has had half a season, mainly from the bench, and so comparisons between the two goal records atm are pretty meaningless 

You have said that Gueye is a bad football player but he is really about there or thereabouts with Sam Gallagher. He is better than Gally in the air, he is stronger than Gally, he is a better passer than Gally and he has half a season to get 6/7 goals to equal his goal scoring. I don’t think that is outside of the realms of possibilities. Will you then go from calling him a terrible footballer with poor technique to saying he’s below average?

I think, much like JRC, you are putting your opinion across too harshly too soon. 

[DE.]

Certainly a strange situation at Stoke. They've had some decent squads, on paper, and decent managers... but it never works out for them. Am sure I read they haven't finished higher than 14th since being relegated. 

Have to admit I can't imagine too many self-respecting managers coming in to work under Walters.

 

[BRFC4EVA]

2 hours ago, PotterLog said:

Tidy player with an eye for goal but lightweight. Part of a midfield that’s getting consistently overrun. Not all his fault, he needs a beast or two alongside him, which we don’t have.

The fact you guys took Ennis off our hands (and then didn't learn from that mugging off), but then come back in for Gally absolutely astounds me! 

Two of the worst signings when you combine the 2. Both serially injured and don't score goals. Nightmare forwards.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

You can’t talk about bias when you are comparing Gallaghers record over a full season against Gueye’s half a season

Gally got 3 goals all of last season in the league. Prior to that he hit around the 8/9 mark, but if memory serves me right in the season before last he only had 1 or 2 goals by Christmas. It was something daft like October to March without a goal. 
Gally played his part for Rovers but in plenty of Championship seasons he got over double figures only once. Gueye has had half a season, mainly from the bench, and so comparisons between the two goal records atm are pretty meaningless 

You have said that Gueye is a bad football player but he is really about there or thereabouts with Sam Gallagher. He is better than Gally in the air, he is stronger than Gally, he is a better passer than Gally and he has half a season to get 6/7 goals to equal his goal scoring. I don’t think that is outside of the realms of possibilities. Will you then go from calling him a terrible footballer with poor technique to saying he’s below average?

I think, much like JRC, you are putting your opinion across too harshly too soon. 

Of course any opinion is only based on what we have seen to date.

If Gueye does end up with 8 or 9 goals this season then of course that massively changes the discussion. I personally cannot see that happening but its not beyond the realms of possibility for him to score 7 or 8 in 24 games. If he does then any judgement on him as a striker will change.

[M_B]

The thing with Gally was that he was never a prolific goalscorer, but those that played alongside him were.

[simongarnerisgod]

2 minutes ago, M_B said:

The thing with Gally was that he was never a prolific goalscorer, but those that played alongside him were.

his lack of striking nous meant he was never in the right place to put them in the net,how many times did the ball come into the box and gally was nowhere near it

[rigger]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

The thing with Gally was that he was never a prolific goalscorer, but those that played alongside him were.

The most prolific person alongside Gally was the physio.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, M_B said:

The thing with Gally was that he was never a prolific goalscorer, but those that played alongside him were.

You weirdly seem to be implying there's some correlation between the two.

[M_B]

47 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You weirdly seem to be implying there's some correlation between the two.

If you want to write it off with 3 different partners, be my guest.

Edited 10 hours ago by M_B

[GHR]

10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That's very weird. You could understand it maybe if he was a former superstar as a player and carried some gravitas within the game due to that, but he's never really done anything of note.

He's a bit of a laughing stock here as well due to the circumstances under which he was sacked from our Club before his career had ever really got off the ground.

Out of interest, what happened with Walters at Rovers? I never knew he was with us until I googled him (in my defence, before my time and he never made a league appearance!), and Wikipedia just offers the spiel put out officially at the time.

[Tom]

Lots of rumours around Plymouth and the culture Rooney has instilled, lots of drinking, plans changing around the managers social life, players not bothering training. 

Fans are almost unanimously against him at this point 

[Tom]

3 minutes ago, GHR said:

Out of interest, what happened with Walters at Rovers? I never knew he was with us until I googled him (in my defence, before my time and he never made a league appearance!), and Wikipedia just offers the spiel put out officially at the time.

It was heavily rumoured, if not confirmed that he was dismissed for having sticky fingers around other players belongings