Championship 24/25

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, DE. said:

We still have a game in hand on WBA and Boro, but when you're in 5th/6th position a run of 2 points from 12 will usually drop you out of the playoff places. We've overachieved so far, so I won't be critical, but without some backing in January we'll likely have to settle for mid table in the end. That would still be a good achievement considering the squad, but still a shame when it's clear the manager doesn't need that much more to keep us competing for those playoff positions. 

A perfect summary.

[BankEnd Rover]

24 minutes ago, DE. said:

We still have a game in hand on WBA and Boro, but when you're in 5th/6th position a run of 2 points from 12 will usually drop you out of the playoff places. We've overachieved so far, so I won't be critical, but without some backing in January we'll likely have to settle for mid table in the end. That would still be a good achievement considering the squad, but still a shame when it's clear the manager doesn't need that much more to keep us competing for those playoff positions. 

Yeah, our season comes down to this window. West Brom, boro all have better squads and definitely more depth. We are running short of players.

All in all I don't think we will have enough. Think we will be 5/6 points out come May...I think Sheff Wednesday will be ones to maybe sneak in.

[martonrover]

May I be so bold as to be the first person this season to say………We’re only goal difference off the Play Off positions (klaxon), it’s still in our own hands, (klaxon) and if we play like we know we can (klaxon) we can still make the play offs (klaxon).

It already feels like 2023 😉

[simongarnerisgod]

sheff utd in very charitable mood,they`ve gifted sunderland 2 goals😒

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, DE. said:

We still have a game in hand on WBA and Boro, but when you're in 5th/6th position a run of 2 points from 12 will usually drop you out of the playoff places. We've overachieved so far, so I won't be critical, but without some backing in January we'll likely have to settle for mid table in the end. That would still be a good achievement considering the squad, but still a shame when it's clear the manager doesn't need that much more to keep us competing for those playoff positions. 

Cue the manager being poached away by a more ambitious club.

[Exiled_Rover]

20 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Cue the manager being poached away by a more ambitious club.

Poached?

I think he'll be applying for jobs.

[yellowsubmarine]

Hate teams like Hull and Millwall. Beat us then go on to lose in the next games.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 hours ago, yellowsubmarine said:

Hate teams like Hull and Millwall. Beat us then go on to lose in the next games.

I didn’t see the Hull game but Millwall played like their lives depended on it.

Edited January 2 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Blue blood]

Whilst I appreciate the championship is very competitive with any team able to beat any other, looking at the championship table it's pretty much exactly what you would expect. 

Sheff Utd, Leeds, Burnley at the top. The likes of Weat Brom and Boro in playoffs. The teams neear the bottom of the league to be the ones you'd expect to be there. 

As I see it there's only a couple or surprises. Luton to be as low as they are and struggling and us to be near the playoffs. Perhaps Sunderland are surprisingly high too but it's few and far between where teams aren't where expected. 

What makes it even more frustrating is I don't think the top 3 teams are all that good. All three I feel have been unconvincing and marginally less poor than the rest.  Makes it  all the more frustrating that we aren't investing that bit more needed to enable us to take the next step. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Whilst I appreciate the championship is very competitive with any team able to beat any other, looking at the championship table it's pretty much exactly what you would expect. 

Sheff Utd, Leeds, Burnley at the top. The likes of Weat Brom and Boro in playoffs. The teams neear the bottom of the league to be the ones you'd expect to be there. 

As I see it there's only a couple or surprises. Luton to be as low as they are and struggling and us to be near the playoffs. Perhaps Sunderland are surprisingly high too but it's few and far between where teams aren't where expected. 

What makes it even more frustrating is I don't think the top 3 teams are all that good. All three I feel have been unconvincing and marginally less poor than the rest.  Makes it  all the more frustrating that we aren't investing that bit more needed to enable us to take the next step. 

I was just thinking that earlier. Another really good opportunity going begging because of lack of investment. In my darker moments I thought - “ Well that’s another season over “ earlier today.

When I think of what we spent on Gallagher and Brererton I could spit !

Edited January 4 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[DE.]

The league has been this way for a while now. It's why teams like Brentford, Luton, Ipswich, etc have been able to get themselves up - just needs intilligent people at the top with a plan and a dash of luck. Plenty of bang average teams in the division (inluding ourselves) so a team with the right strategy and the right personnel can get themselves promoted even if they aren't one of the fancied clubs.

We'll have to wait until Venky's finally leave before we become a team with that kind of potential though. Until then we'll just tread water at best.

[roverandout]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I was just thinking that earlier. Another really good opportunity going begging because of lack of investment. In my darker moments I thought - “ Well that’s another season over “ earlier today.

When I think of what we spent on Gallagher and Brererton I could spit !

I could spit at the fact that we had our best squad in years at this level under a novice like bowyer. A proper manager would have had us up with that squad 

Edited January 4 by roverandout

[Upside Down]

3 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I could spit at the fact that we had our best squad in years at this level under a novice like bowyer. A proper manager would have had us up with that squad 

Conveniently for venkys they didn't appoint a real manager until the squad was completely depleted of any quality.

[roverandout]

Just now, Upside Down said:

Conveniently for venkys they didn't appoint a real manager until the squad was completely depleted of any quality.

Venky world

[Upside Down]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Venky world

Almost as though the aim was to get us sitting mid table in the second division permanently, out of the spotlight but still in a position where lots of financial turnover and losses can be accrued without much scrutiny 🤔

[Waggy76]

6 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I could spit at the fact that we had our best squad in years at this level under a novice like bowyer. A proper manager would have had us up with that squad 

I think the team Mowbray, had in the Covid year, should have done a lot than they did but that was Mowbray all over! 

You are right about Bowyer though a very poor manager! 

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, Waggy76 said:

I think the team Mowbray, had in the Covid year, should have done a lot than they did but that was Mowbray all over! 

You are right about Bowyer though a very poor manager! 

Yep. Mowbray had some pretty good forwards.  He wasn't interested in promotion.  Just lining his own pockets 

[roversfan99]

Makes zero sense. Promotion would have lined those pockets further with a considerable wage increase and probably a new deal.

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Makes zero sense. Promotion would have lined those pockets further with a considerable wage increase and probably a new deal.

But Mowbray probably knew he would be out his depth in the premiership and would have ended up losing his job. It's better for him to plod along making a profit for venkys.  A job for life 

[roversfan99]

20 minutes ago, roverandout said:

But Mowbray probably knew he would be out his depth in the premiership and would have ended up losing his job. It's better for him to plod along making a profit for venkys.  A job for life 

If he went up and then got sacked, he would have been paid up on a massively increased contract and had a considerable improvement in reputation at Championship level so would have been given further work easily.

Every manager is doing it to line their pockets. But the idea that Mowbray wouldnt want promotion is illogical, financially as much as anything.

[roverandout]

15 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If he went up and then got sacked, he would have been paid up on a massively increased contract and had a considerable improvement in reputation at Championship level so would have been given further work easily.

Every manager is doing it to line their pockets. But the idea that Mowbray wouldnt want promotion is illogical, financially as much as anything.

But he was given another job after his contract was up.  Sunderland and Birmingham.  He knew he would walk into other jobs straight away.  He has lived on his reputation after getting west brom promoted.  

[roversfan99]

36 minutes ago, roverandout said:

But he was given another job after his contract was up.  Sunderland and Birmingham.  He knew he would walk into other jobs straight away.  He has lived on his reputation after getting west brom promoted.  

Your logic makes absolutely no sense. It would have been very much in his best interests from a career and financial point of view to get promoted.

The problem is, he was here too long so peoples dislike of him grew to unhealthy levels to the point where they start creating nonsensical theories to try and discredit him further.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

If he went up and then got sacked, he would have been paid up on a massively increased contract and had a considerable improvement in reputation at Championship level so would have been given further work easily.

Every manager is doing it to line their pockets. But the idea that Mowbray wouldnt want promotion is illogical, financially as much as anything.

When we got promoted and he said “ we just need a few lads to help out the current squad “ or words to that effect. That told me all I needed to know about his “ ambition “ , or lack of it. 
We were on a crest of a wave, we’d just filled the ground, the town was buzzing. Then he pricked our balloon.

Edited January 5 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Hasta]

My biggest gripe with Mowbray was actively deciding not to try to win league one once we had got promoted. That even annoyed the players.

[islander200]

My biggest gripe with Mowbray was when he openly admitted he encouraged our head of recruitment at the time to take the job offered by massive club Sunderland who where in League One at the time .He should have been sacked just for that 

Also when he sulked because we wouldn't sell Rothwell and turned down the opportunity to bring Cameron Archer in on loan "cus we don't play with a striker " who went on loan to Preston instead and scored goals for them whilst we couldn't score and fell from 2nd in the league to finishing outside the playoffs