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44 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He felt “ something wasn’t right “ apparently. 

It's hard to fathom the decision making at Stoke when it came to buying Gallagher and Ennis, unless the main criteria was strikers who don't score many goals and are injured a lot. In which case, well scouted, I suppose.

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4 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

When we got promoted and he said “ we just need a few lads to help out the current squad “ or words to that effect. That told me all I needed to know about his “ ambition “ , or lack of it. 
We were on a crest of a wave, we’d just filled the ground, the town was buzzing. Then he pricked our balloon.

He wasnt going to say "right, now we are up I can get rid of most of these shit players."

4 hours ago, Hasta said:

My biggest gripe with Mowbray was actively deciding not to try to win league one once we had got promoted. That even annoyed the players.

He didnt "actively decide not to win the league."

We went to Charlton and he made a few changes but if I recall we had a number of injuries.

3 hours ago, islander200 said:

My biggest gripe with Mowbray was when he openly admitted he encouraged our head of recruitment at the time to take the job offered by massive club Sunderland who where in League One at the time .He should have been sacked just for that 

Also when he sulked because we wouldn't sell Rothwell and turned down the opportunity to bring Cameron Archer in on loan "cus we don't play with a striker " who went on loan to Preston instead and scored goals for them whilst we couldn't score and fell from 2nd in the league to finishing outside the playoffs 

 

I have never seen before that he turned down Archer. Have you got a link to that?

He did turn down a striker on loan (wrongly) but that was rumoured to be Liam Delap who went on to have a couple of terrible loans before a half decent one at Hull last season.

He was right to kick up a fuss about not being given the autonomy to sell Rothwell.

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25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He wasnt going to say "right, now we are up I can get rid of most of these shit players."

He didnt "actively decide not to win the league."

We went to Charlton and he made a few changes but if I recall we had a number of injuries.

I have never seen before that he turned down Archer. Have you got a link to that?

He did turn down a striker on loan (wrongly) but that was rumoured to be Liam Delap who went on to have a couple of terrible loans before a half decent one at Hull last season.

He was right to kick up a fuss about not being given the autonomy to sell Rothwell.

Waggott said it was Cameron Archer 

And no don't have a link 

I disagree with Rothwell ,you don't sell your best performing  player(the few months leading up to January)to a direct rival in a promotion race.At the end of the day he was told we weren't selling Rothwell and threw his toys out of the pram and decided to play the saga out through the media.Also up to the point of it becoming evident that he wasn't getting a new contract he had always spoken positively about the owners and how we should be thankful that they always help out 

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15 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He didnt "actively decide not to win the league."

We went to Charlton and he made a few changes but if I recall we had a number of injuries.

He said there were players who he no longer wanted to take chances with now they have “achieved their goal”. He said they had been ‘carrying niggles’

He then benched Graham and dropped Raya, Bennett, Conway and Dack.

In one of the Podcasts he did after he left the club DG said the players wanted to play to make sure they won the league.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Waggott said it was Cameron Archer 

And no don't have a link 

I disagree with Rothwell ,you don't sell your best performing  player(the few months leading up to January)to a direct rival in a promotion race.At the end of the day he was told we weren't selling Rothwell and threw his toys out of the pram and decided to play the saga out through the media.Also up to the point of it becoming evident that he wasn't getting a new contract he had always spoken positively about the owners and how we should be thankful that they always help out 

Thats down to the manager though, he should choose and then if it goes well, great, if not then he gets the blame.

I agree that short and long term it made sense to sell a player with 6 months on his deal and get a couple of assets for the longer term. As it was, we got the worsr of both worlds.

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1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Thats down to the manager though, he should choose and then if it goes well, great, if not then he gets the blame.

I agree that short and long term it made sense to sell a player with 6 months on his deal and get a couple of assets for the longer term. As it was, we got the worsr of both worlds.

Who were these assets Mowbray wanted to sign? 

Also it is wise to sell Rothwell to a team who we were challenging for second place at the time? 

 

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7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Thats down to the manager though, he should choose and then if it goes well, great, if not then he gets the blame.

I agree that short and long term it made sense to sell a player with 6 months on his deal and get a couple of assets for the longer term. As it was, we got the worsr of both worlds.

I know yeah we really missed out on that  player from Reading that Mowbray wanted.What happened with his career since?

At that point it had already been decided they weren't going to renew Mowbrays deal and your mad if you think at other clubs what the manager decides goes.

I agreed with the clubs stance at the time, not to sell one of our better players to a direct rival at the time 

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1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

He wasnt going to say "right, now we are up I can get rid of most of these shit players."

He didnt "actively decide not to win the league."

We went to Charlton and he made a few changes but if I recall we had a number of injuries.

I have never seen before that he turned down Archer. Have you got a link to that?

He did turn down a striker on loan (wrongly) but that was rumoured to be Liam Delap who went on to have a couple of terrible loans before a half decent one at Hull last season.

He was right to kick up a fuss about not being given the autonomy to sell Rothwell.

He didn’t have to say that. All he had to say is similar to what Eustace said yesterday. “ We need a couple of players “ . Everybody knew we were encounrting a step up in playing ability and we needed to match that. The players would have been aware of that just as we were.

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59 minutes ago, Hasta said:

He said there were players who he no longer wanted to take chances with now they have “achieved their goal”. He said they had been ‘carrying niggles’

He then benched Graham and dropped Raya, Bennett, Conway and Dack.

In one of the Podcasts he did after he left the club DG said the players wanted to play to make sure they won the league.

 

 

I like Mowbray, and appreciate that he got the club back up at the first attempt...BUT yeah, forfeiting the League One title was piss poor, and it set the tone for the remainder of his time at the club.

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7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who were these assets Mowbray wanted to sign? 

Also it is wise to sell Rothwell to a team who we were challenging for second place at the time? 

 

I dont know. Jed Wallace and Dembele were the 2 linked but either way, its not about the individuals.

The owners shouldnt be deciding on such matters. As it was, it didnt work out.

Just now, islander200 said:

I know yeah we really missed out on that  player from Reading that Mowbray wanted.What happened with his career since?

At that point it had already been decided they weren't going to renew Mowbrays deal and your mad if you think at other clubs what the manager decides goes.

I agreed with the clubs stance at the time, not to sell one of our better players to a direct rival at the time 

What Reading player? The links were Wallace and Dembele but its besides the point.

Why are the owners deciding who to keep and who to sell? Especially when we needed reinforcements and selling someone with 6 months on his deal could have generated funds to sign 2 or 3 players. Plus Rothwell was clearly unhappy and didnt perform to the samr levels afterwards. End result, no promotion, and no assets.

If they were so insistent on not selling him to a rival, then provide that money on top of keeping him. 

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1 hour ago, Hasta said:

He said there were players who he no longer wanted to take chances with now they have “achieved their goal”. He said they had been ‘carrying niggles’

He then benched Graham and dropped Raya, Bennett, Conway and Dack.

In one of the Podcasts he did after he left the club DG said the players wanted to play to make sure they won the league.

 

 

Who wouldn’t want to win the league ? How long do you think we’ll be waiting for the next chance of winning something ? 

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2 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He didn’t have to say that. All he had to say is similar to what Eustace said yesterday. “ We need a couple of players “ . Everybody knew we were encounrting a step up in playing ability and we needed to match that. The players would have been aware of that just as we were.

He did sign players, we got 7. What he says in the media is obviously done to keep people happy.

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2 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

I like Mowbray, and appreciate that he got the club back up at the first attempt...BUT yeah, forfeiting the League One title was piss poor, and it set the tone for the remainder of his time at the club.

That and his statement about not needing better players when we got promoted lost me. I thought “ This bloke’s  an idiot “.  It was downhill for me after that. As I said earlier - the club was on the crest of a wave and he just let all the enthusiasm drift away.

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1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont know. Jed Wallace and Dembele were the 2 linked but either way, its not about the individuals.

The owners shouldnt be deciding on such matters. As it was, it didnt work out.

What Reading player? The links were Wallace and Dembele but its besides the point.

Why are the owners deciding who to keep and who to sell? Especially when we needed reinforcements and selling someone with 6 months on his deal could have generated funds to sign 2 or 3 players. Plus Rothwell was clearly unhappy and didnt perform to the samr levels afterwards. End result, no promotion, and no assets.

If they were so insistent on not selling him to a rival, then provide that money on top of keeping him. 

Wallace was linked by someone on here.

Do you honestly think we would have been paying his wages?

Dembele had agreed to go to Bournemouth. 

The let and other media at the time where saying it was Ejario(spelling) from Reading we where in for .

 

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Wallace was linked by someone on here.

Do you honestly think we would have been paying his wages?

Dembele had agreed to go to Bournemouth. 

The let and other media at the time where saying it was Ejario(spelling) from Reading we where in for .

 

So you are just picking and choosing which rumours that suit your narrative. The rumoured names are an irrelevance to the point im making.

The owners shouldnt be blocking sales, especially when they are unwilling to provide reasonable funds otherwise to push us forwards.

And it clearly didnt work. We lost out on £4m, and subsequently the potential to reinvest in longer term assets who would also have improved the quality and depth of the squad which was small. We were left with an unhappy player who massively declined in form before leaving for free. 

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Mowbray had Reece James sat in his office ready to sign before asking him what kind of music he liked and whether he had any tattoos. He finished lower half of the lower half with a team of top 6 quality in the Covid season. I’ve not forgiven him for travelling to Wigan to watch Ryan Giles as striker. Man was a clown. 

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The above is the perfect example of my point, misinformation, speculation used to discredit him purely out of dislike well beyond what he warrants.

At the end of the day, he did deserve criticism for his share of how that season finished and we were all glad to see him go.

The Reece James stuff is at best speculation regarding tattoos and music.

And Wigan werent in our division when we had Giles.

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8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So you are just picking and choosing which rumours that suit your narrative. The rumoured names are an irrelevance to the point im making.

The owners shouldnt be blocking sales, especially when they are unwilling to provide reasonable funds otherwise to push us forwards.

And it clearly didnt work. We lost out on £4m, and subsequently the potential to reinvest in longer term assets who would also have improved the quality and depth of the squad which was small. We were left with an unhappy player who massively declined in form before leaving for free. 

3 million 

I'm not picking and choosing.The only link to Jed Wallace was by someone on here and we wouldn't have paid his wages.Unless you can show me a genuine link.

The Lad from reading was in the let and other news outlets

Dembele went to Bournemouth. 

Again I don't agree that Rothwell should have been sold to a direct rival, it didn't work but no guarantee any of that money would have been spent.Managers are over ruled all the time when it comes to transfer decisions. Rovers and venkys ain't unique in that 

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