Championship 24/25

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont know. Jed Wallace and Dembele were the 2 linked but either way, its not about the individuals.

so you had no problem selling a key player to top 2 rival and neither of those players were direct replacements for Rothwell. Which I find that Mowbray want to replace like for like 

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The owners shouldnt be deciding on such matters. As it was, it didnt work out.

of course they should. You don't sell one of your key players to your promotion/top 2 rival for FFS

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

3 million 

I'm not picking and choosing.The only link to Jed Wallace was by someone on here and we wouldn't have paid his wages.Unless you can show me a genuine link.

The Lad from reading was in the let and other news outlets

Dembele went to Bournemouth. 

Again I don't agree that Rothwell should have been sold to a direct rival, it didn't work but no guarantee any of that money would have been spent.Managers are over ruled all the time when it comes to transfer decisions. Rovers and venkys ain't unique in that 

As ive said, the players we were linked to are an irrelevance to my point.

The manager wasnt backed either through the autonomy of selling to buy or with a reasonable transfer budget. That was the primary reason for the extent of our collapse, obviously Mowbray made choices which played a part but its the main reason. A similar thing (not to the same extent) happened in the following 2 seasons, a thin squad dying for reinforcements ran out of steam and suffered a dip in results in the second half of the season.

If you want to defend the owners then thats fine, they clearly DIDNT make the right decision hence an unhappy player left for free after stinking the place out in a season where promotion didnt happen. But it happens at other clubs so its ok.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

so you had no problem selling a key player to top 2 rival and neither of those players were direct replacements for Rothwell. Which I find that Mowbray want to replace like for like 

of course they should. You don't sell one of your key players to your promotion/top 2 rival for FFS

It shouldnt be decided to the owners. Thats the issue. Not about the individuals or even the choice made.

And it didnt work out. 

We could have strengthened, added quality in other positions both short and long term. We could have become better and sustained our push for longer.

As it was, we kept an unhappy player who stunk the place out for the rest of the season. We then lost him for free and remained in the Championship.

How can people defend that, defend these bastard owners, not even at the time but looking back and seeing how it played out.

If it was about ambition, keep him AND provide a few million to help to sustain the promotion push.

[islander200]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

As ive said, the players we were linked to are an irrelevance to my point.

The manager wasnt backed either through the autonomy of selling to buy or with a reasonable transfer budget. That was the primary reason for the extent of our collapse, obviously Mowbray made choices which played a part but its the main reason. A similar thing (not to the same extent) happened in the following 2 seasons, a thin squad dying for reinforcements ran out of steam and suffered a dip in results in the second half of the season.

If you want to defend the owners then thats fine, they clearly DIDNT make the right decision hence an unhappy player left for free after stinking the place out in a season where promotion didnt happen. But it happens at other clubs so its ok.

I'm not defending the owners I just agrees with that decision, not to sell a star player to a direct promotion rival.And I certainly wasn't the only one on here who agreed with that decision at the time

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It shouldnt be decided to the owners. Thats the issue. Not about the individuals or even the choice made.

And it didnt work out. 

We could have strengthened, added quality in other positions both short and long term. We could have become better and sustained our push for longer.

As it was, we kept an unhappy player who stunk the place out for the rest of the season. We then lost him for free and remained in the Championship.

How can people defend that, defend these bastard owners, not even at the time but looking back and seeing how it played out.

If it was about ambition, keep him AND provide a few million to help to sustain the promotion push.

These owners kept Mowbray on well past his “ best before “ date.

[roversfan99]

40 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I'm not defending the owners I just agrees with that decision, not to sell a star player to a direct promotion rival.And I certainly wasn't the only one on here who agreed with that decision at the time

You are defending them on this matter then.

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are defending them on this matter then.

Yes.If in a promotion hunt which we where at the time then you don't make your rivals stronger by selling them one of  your best players.

You don't see many if any clubs selling their better players in January to a direct rival.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Yes.If in a promotion hunt which we where at the time then you don't make your rivals stronger by selling them one of  your best players.

You don't see many if any clubs selling their better players in January to a direct rival.

It could have made us stronger though, short term and long term. Wouldnt have been hard considering how Rothwell chucked in the towel.

But either way, the issue is the owners shouldnt block it AND then refuse to provide reasonable funds. We fell away and as has been the case in the 2 seasons since the blame falls on the owners.

[Hasta]

What a terrible Christmas that was for Rovers. Lose to that lot, lose to Hull and Millwall and the only teams we take points from are the ones who can stop Burnley getting promoted.🙄

Edited Sunday at 17:30 by Hasta

[chaddyrovers]

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It shouldnt be decided to the owners. Thats the issue. Not about the individuals or even the choice made.

Why shouldn't they decide given they are the owners. 

Just for clarity, so if you would full autonomy to the director of Football and Head coach to sign who they wanted without yourself or CEO saying no?  

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And it didnt work out. 

No. Cos Mowbray ballsed it up by not using Giles proper, not willing to change tactics and formation sooner, playing Bradley Johnson as a false 9 FFS. 

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We could have strengthened, added quality in other positions both short and long term. We could have become better and sustained our push for longer.

If you are selling your centre midfielder who partner Travis for most of the season then you replace and what you said that Dembele and Wallace was his targets so how does that replace a key player

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

As it was, we kept an unhappy player who stunk the place out for the rest of the season. We then lost him for free and remained in the Championship.

Rothwell moved on that summer to Bournemouth but now is back in championship again and maybe he should have stayed here and sign that new contract

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How can people defend that, defend these bastard owners, not even at the time but looking back and seeing how it played out.

If it was about ambition, keep him AND provide a few million to help to sustain the promotion push.

hindsight is wonderful thing is it and its not about the owners but what was right for us and selling him to the team we were challenging for second place would have been ill-advised, stupid and f**king dumb move. 

[wilsdenrover]

55 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Just for clarity, so if you would full autonomy to the director of Football and Head coach to sign who they wanted without yourself or CEO saying no?  

 

Obviously you didn’t direct this question to me but my opinion is…

The owner/CEO should agree a budget/wage structure. 

The DoF/head coach should be free to recruit within those figures however they wish.

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 18:31 by wilsdenrover

[roversfan99]

53 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why shouldn't they decide given they are the owners. 

Just for clarity, so if you would full autonomy to the director of Football and Head coach to sign who they wanted without yourself or CEO saying no?  

No. Cos Mowbray ballsed it up by not using Giles proper, not willing to change tactics and formation sooner, playing Bradley Johnson as a false 9 FFS. 

If you are selling your centre midfielder who partner Travis for most of the season then you replace and what you said that Dembele and Wallace was his targets so how does that replace a key player

Rothwell moved on that summer to Bournemouth but now is back in championship again and maybe he should have stayed here and sign that new contract

hindsight is wonderful thing is it and its not about the owners but what was right for us and selling him to the team we were challenging for second place would have been ill-advised, stupid and f**king dumb move. 

Yes, full autonomy to the manager and if applicable the director of football. Ie the people specifically employed to deal with football matters.

It doesnt require hindsight to see that replacing a want away player with 6 months left and replacing with 2 or 3 long term aasets to improve the side short and long term is a wise move. Although hindsight does prove we made the wrong call.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Obviously you didn’t direct this question to me but my opinion is…

The owner/CEO should agree a budget/wage structure. 

The DoF/head coach should be free to recruit within those figures however they wish.

 

 

 

I would assume any money needed for potential transfers in January is outside the "normal" agreed budget and needs separate authorisation.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yes, full autonomy to the manager and if applicable the director of football. Ie the people specifically employed to deal with football matters.

Thanks for answering the question. Not what I would do but fair enough. 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It doesnt require hindsight to see that replacing a want away player with 6 months left and replacing with 2 or 3 long term aasets to improve the side short and long term is a wise move. Although hindsight does prove we made the wrong call.

you were selling him directing to the team we were at the time challenging for 2nd place. Sorry but I wouldn't do it even now. 

No, I don't think it was wrong call but the reasons our season nosedive was Mowbray not changing formation, trying to turn Giles into Mahrez FFS and him not signing Josh Maja in January like he should have done! 

2 or 3 assests but not a direct replacement for Rothwell from what you have said who Mowbray wanted to sign. 

[wilsdenrover]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I would assume any money needed for potential transfers in January is outside the "normal" agreed budget and needs separate authorisation.

I’d want the same ‘responsibilities’ whether the budgets were agreed on a  year by year or window by window basis.

If it was the latter, I’d want the January Budget agreed comfortably before the window opened.

I doubt my wants and the clubs procedures align.

[wilsdenrover]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thanks for answering the question. Not what I would do but fair enough. 

 

But you’ve just said in a different thread:

‘Eustace is right to go to Gestede about new players wanting in as soon as possible. 

Rudy is the head of football operations so will run the recruitment side of the footballing operation, why wouldn't he not? Does Waggott really need to be involve? ‘
 

You do confuse me sometimes 😁😀

 

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Obviously you didn’t direct this question to me but my opinion is…

The owner/CEO should agree a budget/wage structure. 

The DoF/head coach should be free to recruit within those figures however they wish.

Firstly, please reply whenever, and give your opinions, that's why we have brfcs site. 

I would do differently to yourself. 

for example, lets say for January Window, I would conduct a footballing board meeting in November with myself, CEO, Head coach, Director of football and the Chief Scout and set out the budget for the window. Ask the head coach and DoF for their thoughts and what positions the head coach is looking at for signings. Let them go away for weeks and do their final scouting and created their shortlist for each position they want signings in and the 3 man shortlist. 

Then we meet the week before Christmas where the Director of football, head coach and head of recruitment present their targets, videos why each player on the shortlist and then we decide who the first, second and third choices and whether everything is in the budget or not. 

Then let the Director of football start talking to clubs and player agents. Talk every day cos things changed every day during a transfer window.  

[roversfan99]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thanks for answering the question. Not what I would do but fair enough. 

you were selling him directing to the team we were at the time challenging for 2nd place. Sorry but I wouldn't do it even now. 

No, I don't think it was wrong call but the reasons our season nosedive was Mowbray not changing formation, trying to turn Giles into Mahrez FFS and him not signing Josh Maja in January like he should have done! 

2 or 3 assests but not a direct replacement for Rothwell from what you have said who Mowbray wanted to sign. 

You are fixated on the Giles situation as if he was a special talent who we wasted. Hes proven since that he isnt particularly good. He was used strangely but I dont think he suited the team anyway, his sole strength is crossing and we had a counter attacking side that didnt have the same attackers that Cardiff did where he had that bit of success.

You fixate on people who have left and put all the blame on them, same with Tomasson who you again didnt say a bad word about until he went. I think you are trying to convince yourself that the people who messed up previous seasons have gone, the owners are still here so you deflect blame away and think this is the year everything changes. £20m of sale proceeds has gone, oh well, which QPR striker can we sign on the cheap to fire us to promotion.

26 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Obviously you didn’t direct this question to me but my opinion is…

The owner/CEO should agree a budget/wage structure. 

The DoF/head coach should be free to recruit within those figures however they wish.

 

 

 

I dont understand how anything other than this can be correct.

Footballing people decide footballing matters. Owners provide money and communicate to CEO.

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

But you’ve just said in a different thread:

‘Eustace is right to go to Gestede about new players wanting in as soon as possible. 

Rudy is the head of football operations so will run the recruitment side of the footballing operation, why wouldn't he not? Does Waggott really need to be involve? ‘
 

You do confuse me sometimes 😁😀

 

 

Eustace and Gestede clearly have the targets they want already agreed and Eustace to get them in asap given that Ohashi is now out injured for month so a new striker in the building asap would be useful. Not agree? 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are fixated on the Giles situation as if he was a special talent who we wasted. Hes proven since that he isnt particularly good. He was used strangely but I dont think he suited the team anyway, his sole strength is crossing and we had a counter attacking side that didnt have the same attackers that Cardiff did where he had that bit of success.

We have just signed a player who was the top assist in the league and yet our manager was obsessed in turning into Mahrez 

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You fixate on people who have left and put all the blame on them, same with Tomasson who you again didnt say a bad word about until he went. I think you are trying to convince yourself that the people who messed up previous seasons have gone, the owners are still here so you deflect blame away and think this is the year everything changes. £20m of sale proceeds has gone, oh well,

you are fixate on the Rothwell situation and trying to show why you were right. and we could have sold one of our best player during the season to our rival who we were challenging us for 2nd place. 

Also I said repeating during the last 3 months Mowbray needed to changed formation and go back 4-2-3-1 formation cos our false 9 formation wasn't working anymore. Sadly Mowbray and yourself didn't want to 

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

which QPR striker can we sign on the cheap to fire us to promotion.

I came up with a very quick shortlist based on what we want which is championship experience, loan or cheap buy striker and put together a shortlist instead of hiding behind I'm not scout comment given you give it large about being a fan of European champions league football and watch other leagues unlike myself who doesn't 

I gave you 4 names which was Forest striker Dennis, Riis From PNE, Frey at QPR and Brewster at Sheffield United. 3 of those are out of contract this summer and Dennis is a loan. I suggested Sam Surridge from Nashville who would be my choice to sign if we had money to spend on a striker 

[wilsdenrover]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Eustace and Gestede clearly have the targets they want already agreed and Eustace to get them in asap given that Ohashi is now out injured for month so a new striker in the building asap would be useful. Not agree? 

I’d like to think they’ve identified the targets they want.

I agree the sooner any target is signed the better.

[Upside Down]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

These owners kept Mowbray on well past his “ best before “ date.

They employed him in the first place, that's bad enough.

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have just signed a player who was the top assist in the league and yet our manager was obsessed in turning into Mahrez 

you are fixate on the Rothwell situation and trying to show why you were right. and we could have sold one of our best player during the season to our rival who we were challenging us for 2nd place. 

Also I said repeating during the last 3 months Mowbray needed to changed formation and go back 4-2-3-1 formation cos our false 9 formation wasn't working anymore. Sadly Mowbray and yourself didn't want to 

I came up with a very quick shortlist based on what we want which is championship experience, loan or cheap buy striker and put together a shortlist instead of hiding behind I'm not scout comment given you give it large about being a fan of European champions league football and watch other leagues unlike myself who doesn't 

I gave you 4 names which was Forest striker Dennis, Riis From PNE, Frey at QPR and Brewster at Sheffield United. 3 of those are out of contract this summer and Dennis is a loan. I suggested Sam Surridge from Nashville who would be my choice to sign if we had money to spend on a striker 

The MAIN reason why we failed to sustain our promotion push, and why we have also seen dips in results in the following 2 seasons during the second half of the season. Is due to budget cuts from the owners and an inability to really strengthen in January with any sort of reasonable budget. Our squads lack of depth and quality caught up with us, and probably will again this year. The squad is a bit stretched at the moment and the cracks are already starting to apear.

There are tactical reasons etc across those seasons that can be questioned, but that is the main reason.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The MAIN reason why we failed to sustain our promotion push, and why we have also seen dips in results in the following 2 seasons during the second half of the season. Is due to budget cuts from the owners and an inability to really strengthen in January with any sort of reasonable budget. Our squads lack of depth and quality caught up with us, and probably will again this year. The squad is a bit stretched at the moment and the cracks are already starting to apear.

There are tactical reasons etc across those seasons that can be questioned, but that is the main reason.

Well that's your opinion not fact. 

My opinion is different to you and it was Mowbray's unwillingness not to change to tactics when his plan A wasn't working anymore. That was clear as day and I was posting regular on here asking for a change to 4-2-3-1 formation. 

He signed 5 players in that window which was James Brown, Markanday, Hedges, Zeefuik and Giles. He didn't sign Maja who he should have signed. Maybe he shouldn't sign Markanday and Giles instead signed a striker or false 9 striker. That's was Mowbray's decision to do that not the owners