Championship 24/25

[Mattyblue]

To be fair, Sky are only running the show because the clubs want them to. It’s on them, they signed the contract - yet the clubs always cannily seem to avoid any criticism when the fixture changes get announced.

[roversfan99]

37 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Midweek games or Friday night games have affected me for the last 5 years with me working nights and having to lose 3 hours sleep to attend the game and still go to work afterwards, But would I chose to attend games and its my choice. I could miss the games but that would just pissed me off. 

I take from your comments you have never done a night shift? 

backed myself so far into a corner? totally baffling comments. Annoyed at who? 

The facts of the situation is the EFL and the clubs wanted greater revenue from TV rights and the only way that could be achieve is more games on TV and. The terms of how fans would be told was clearly announce and publish before the season. So fans knew where they stood regarding moving of games for TV coverage. You loved blaming Sky, when actually it the clubs and the EFL you should be blaming not Sky 

Its obviously not all down to Sky. They, the clubs and the EFL have all conspired to create a shit show that totally inconvenices fans. The clubs shouldnt be agreeing to it.

You seem to think giving notice makes it all ok. If I said I am going to rob your house in 6 months on x date, would that make it ok? That being said, for half of the season they dont even bother doing that, the Boro game is only in 4 weeks. "They want to see who has something to play for" will no doubt be the justification but it doesnt so that. Pick them in advance, if you have to suffer the odd dead rubber amongst it, hard luck, but dont inconvience fans with late changes to avoid it.

We will have had 6 Saturday 3pm home games all season, less dependant on more changes. 7 EFL games are all shown at the same time on Saturday dinners, why they need that many I have no idea. Surely you cant think that is a healthy situation.

 

[chaddyrovers]

36 minutes ago, arbitro said:

But the fans didn't have a say in any of this. It was foisted on the fans by clubs who simply saw one thing. 

I wouldn't mind as much if the clubs were mandated to reduce ticket prices or any ventures that made the watching of live football cheaper and a better experience. Instead the money will go into the pockets of players, agents and in Rovers case directors.

Its the clubs who wanted more money from Tv rights. 

I did mentioned previous that Club should used the money to reduce season tickets and match day prices. 

36 minutes ago, arbitro said:

As I said though the travelling fans are the group who sufferer the most. I don't think you go to many away games so it won't impact on you as much as others but at least try and see it from their point of view.

You are correct I don't many away games due to my missus current health problems but hopefully that will be all sorted by the summer, so I can hopefully attend more but I am going Derby Tomorrow and I am looking forward to it. 

I have plenty of sympathy for away fans who have to set off early but maybe away clubs could offer discount travel or free voucher for food and drink at the ground.  

 

34 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Right, so TV companies are running the show and doing whatever they want, but it doesn’t matter, because we were told in advance?

Reyt then.

Its the clubs and EFL who run the show cos they wanted more income from Tv rights

[Mattyblue]

The proof in the pudding will be ST sales across the Championship this summer after a season of this mass inconvenience across the league for fans.

If sales stay steady then they’ve got away with it, if they don’t the clubs/EFL have killed the golden goose…

[arbitro]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its the clubs who wanted more money from Tv rights. 

I did mentioned previous that Club should used the money to reduce season tickets and match day prices. 

You are correct I don't many away games due to my missus current health problems but hopefully that will be all sorted by the summer, so I can hopefully attend more but I am going Derby Tomorrow and I am looking forward to it. 

I have plenty of sympathy for away fans who have to set off early but maybe away clubs could offer discount travel or free voucher for food and drink at the ground.  

 

Its the clubs and EFL who run the show cos they wanted more income from Tv rights

I know exactly who was responsible for the deal but it doesn't make it right.I

If you do go to more away games I trust you'll  have a greater understated of the issues with early starts, lack of public transport etc.

Leeds are at Portsmouth for a noon kick off on Sunday. Aside from the huge inconvenience to them if also impacts on the midweek fixtures next week when Portsmouth's match against Plymouth has to be moved from Tuesday to Wednesday.

[JHRover]

I saw some photos from the Millwall v Bristol City game the other night. The ground was ridiculously empty. I'd be surprised if there were more than 4-5000 actually there, but of course the official attendance is printed as 12,300. Not a chance. 

QPR similar - loads of empty seats when we were there a few weeks ago

This is happening all across the league. There aren't many that keep getting the numbers on for these daft games.. 

I'm not sure what their logic is when picking games - tonight it is Norwich v Oxford - surely they aren't suggesting that is anything more than a run of the mill fixture?

Rovers gladly accepted a significant financial bonus for these Sky changes. That of course hasn't made its way into the stadium, ticket prices, transfer kitty, player contracts, but it might well have found its way into Slippery Steve's wage packet.

Club costs haven't risen significantly by having to play on a Friday night or Sunday morning rather than a Saturday afternoon. Rather the opposite, costs are probably lower due to less people turning up.

So what is that increased Sky money for if not to cover higher costs? Answer - it is to use to address the inevitable impact on gates. Some have realised this by reducing prices, but that's never going to happen here with this CEO and setup, not when his wages depend on it. 

[chaddyrovers]

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its obviously not all down to Sky. They, the clubs and the EFL have all conspired to create a shit show that totally inconvenices fans. The clubs shouldnt be agreeing to it.

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You seem to think giving notice makes it all ok. If I said I am going to rob your house in 6 months on x date, would that make it ok? That being said, for half of the season they dont even bother doing that, the Boro game is only in 4 weeks. "They want to see who has something to play for" will no doubt be the justification but it doesnt so that. Pick them in advance, if you have to suffer the odd dead rubber amongst it, hard luck, but dont inconvience fans with late changes to avoid it.

is 4 weeks that late? 

EFL and Sky agreed to give fans as much notice as possible and that what they have done all season

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We will have had 6 Saturday 3pm home games all season, less dependant on more changes.

 

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

7 EFL games are all shown at the same time on Saturday dinners, why they need that many I have no idea.

FFS, you been told and told the answer so many times but still going on and on. If you wanted more TV revenue for all clubs then all 3 leagues need to be on TV given that some increased revenue for clubs in league 2. 

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Surely you cant think that is a healthy situation.

more choice for fans. interesting that you have no problem with the PL showing a number of games at the same time or the Champions League showing multiple games at the same time, but you never complained about that tho did you?  

[Wheelton Blue]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

is 4 weeks that late? 

EFL and Sky agreed to give fans as much notice as possible and that what they have done all season

 

FFS, you been told and told the answer so many times but still going on and on. If you wanted more TV revenue for all clubs then all 3 leagues need to be on TV given that some increased revenue for clubs in league 2. 

more choice for fans. interesting that you have no problem with the PL showing a number of games at the same time or the Champions League showing multiple games at the same time, but you never complained about that tho did you?  

More choice for the armchair viewer, you mean.

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I know exactly who was responsible for the deal but it doesn't make it right.I

agreed

11 minutes ago, arbitro said:

If you do go to more away games I trust you'll  have a greater understated of the issues with early starts, lack of public transport etc.

I understand now the problems but I won't be using public transport as it unreliable but I also like to stop off for a meal on the way back like tomorrow game or if it London away game I would stay over for the weekend and make the most of it for example

11 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Leeds are at Portsmouth for a noon kick off on Sunday. Aside from the huge inconvenience to them if also impacts on the midweek fixtures next week when Portsmouth's match against Plymouth has to be moved from Tuesday to Wednesday.

Yes I noticed for ITV to cover the live aswell Sky

[Waggy76]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

is 4 weeks that late? 

EFL and Sky agreed to give fans as much notice as possible and that what they have done all season

 

FFS, you been told and told the answer so many times but still going on and on. If you wanted more TV revenue for all clubs then all 3 leagues need to be on TV given that some increased revenue for clubs in league 2. 

more choice for fans. interesting that you have no problem with the PL showing a number of games at the same time or the Champions League showing multiple games at the same time, but you never complained about that tho did you?  

The Champions league needs to revert to back to a knock out cup....

A far better competition,  when there is jeopardy in every game !!

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

is 4 weeks that late? 

EFL and Sky agreed to give fans as much notice as possible and that what they have done all season

 

FFS, you been told and told the answer so many times but still going on and on. If you wanted more TV revenue for all clubs then all 3 leagues need to be on TV given that some increased revenue for clubs in league 2. 

more choice for fans. interesting that you have no problem with the PL showing a number of games at the same time or the Champions League showing multiple games at the same time, but you never complained about that tho did you?  

Games will be moved more and more, inconveniencing fans more and more, and you will keep swallowing it up.

I understand why it is done, greed, and I also know that clubs and broadcasters alike dont give a shit about supporters who go to games. I understand fully. I just think it warrants being called out because its become disgraceful.

I think say 5 or 6 games out of 46 across the top 4 leagues all moved (one at a time, not 8 games on at once) each weekend is more than enough. Decided in 2 blocks so the first half and second half of the season are decided well in advance. And no team shown more than on 2 consecutive weekends without having a break from TV and back to Saturday at 3pm. That would be a fair policy. The current setup is clubs and broadcasters showing disdain and disregard to the fans.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Waggy76 said:

The Champions league needs to revert to back to a knock out cup....

A far better competition,  when there is jeopardy in every game !!

Couldn't agree more. All European competitions need to be knock out competition from the start, But I don't watch it anyway tho

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Games will be moved more and more, inconveniencing fans more and more, and you will keep swallowing it up.

No I have accept that we are moving forward and times are moving away from traditional 3pm kick offs. I started following Rovers in 1991/2 season and the year after the PL started and we witness live football games on Sky and more than 30 years since we see football grow and the English football brand around the league where we have the best league in the world. We seen in La Liga where the games are spread over 4 days where its 1 game on Friday and Monday, 4 games on Saturday and Sunday for the TV coverage. 

We have been given plenty of notice and I'm not bothered myself about kick off cos it not an issue for me at all

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I understand why it is done, greed, and I also know that clubs and broadcasters alike dont give a shit about supporters who go to games. I understand fully. I just think it warrants being called out because its become disgraceful.

So maybe it such a problem then stop watching live TV games and take a stand but you won't will you. 

or maybe we need move the modern times 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I think say 5 or 6 games out of 46 across the top 4 leagues all moved (one at a time, not 8 games on at once) each weekend is more than enough. Decided in 2 blocks so the first half and second half of the season are decided well in advance. And no team shown more than on 2 consecutive weekends without having a break from TV and back to Saturday at 3pm. That would be a fair policy. The current setup is clubs and broadcasters showing disdain and disregard to the fans.

The Premier League TV deal is very different to the EFL and shouldn't be compare. The PL TV rights are sold off in different blocks and different time slots. Plus I don't see why you are bringing them into this discussed. Its been like that for years and it works. Plus its a global brand and appeals to range of overseas market. We have the best top league in the worlld

So back to the EFL rights, the games are mainly in 3 blocks for weekends games with Friday night game, Saturday dinner time and the Sunday dinner/Monday night. 

isn't 4 weeks notice decided well in advance? 

[Mattyblue]

No we haven’t been ‘given plenty of notice’, four weeks is ‘plenty’? Saying ‘we’ll give you four weeks notice’ without knowing what fixtures will actually be moved isn’t helping anybody logistically.

For away fans it means they will have either lost a fortune on rail tickets or you decide to wait until the last minute to book in case it gets moved… and still end up paying a fortune (yes, yes, you like to drive so that doesn’t bother you one bit, but a lot of folk like to get the train as they enjoy the day out with a few beers in a different town or city).

Or even for home games, as guess what, other people (again, I know, not you) have, you know, other social things planned in advance at a weekend outside just going to Ewood.

Edited Friday at 19:30 by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

Also, this idea that we have moved away from every game being at 3pm. Its not as binary as that.

Theres moving a few games. And theres moving quite as many as we see today. Theres usually one or sometimes 2 on Friday, 8 on Saturday dinner, 1 on Saturday evening, usually 2 Premier League and 1 Championship on a Sunday and then maybe one on a Monday. So maybe 14 games moved, 8 of which are all at the same time.

It might be the "best league in the World" (straight from the Sky propaganda machine) but it doesnt sit right prioritising people in other countries over people who are going to the game.

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Also, this idea that we have moved away from every game being at 3pm. Its not as binary as that.

Theres moving a few games. And theres moving quite as many as we see today. Theres usually one or sometimes 2 on Friday, 8 on Saturday dinner, 1 on Saturday evening, usually 2 Premier League and 1 Championship on a Sunday and then maybe one on a Monday. So maybe 14 games moved, 8 of which are all at the same time.

It might be the "best league in the World" (straight from the Sky propaganda machine) but it doesnt sit right prioritising people in other countries over people who are going to the game.

why are bringing PL games in the conversation? not everyone follow the PL. Also the PL is global brand and yes we do have the best league in the world whether you believe it or not and why its has global audience whether its Japan or Australia or USA or Canada or Dubai  

if we are doing that why are moving games to Europa league or conference league games on Thursday? or does that matter cos you loved UEFA tournaments bollocks.  

 

Edited Friday at 20:01 by chaddyrovers

[StHelensRover]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

is 4 weeks that late? 

EFL and Sky agreed to give fans as much notice as possible and that what they have done all season

 

FFS, you been told and told the answer so many times but still going on and on. If you wanted more TV revenue for all clubs then all 3 leagues need to be on TV given that some increased revenue for clubs in league 2. 

more choice for fans. interesting that you have no problem with the PL showing a number of games at the same time or the Champions League showing multiple games at the same time, but you never complained about that tho did you?  

You need a burner account called ChaddySky so that you don't get all your paid-for "I agree with Sky" posts mixed up with all your paid-for "I agree with official club line" posts on here. 

I don't think you could get someone from Sky to come up with more tosh to back them up any better. They don't give a toss about match going fans and judging by your empathy bypass in last few days on here you're the same. Most people plan many things in their lives more than four months in advance, if you don't, then good for you.

[StHelensRover]

*4 weeks not months, won't let me edit post.

[rigger]

A good result for us tonight. Let's take full advantage tomorrow.

Edited Friday at 21:56 by rigger

[1874]

This weekends games are nearly all top half v bottom half

[1874]

5 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

The Champions league needs to revert to back to a knock out cup....

A far better competition,  when there is jeopardy in every game !!

Or they should rename it The "Champions, runners up, third and fourth maybe fifth plus the winners of the other Uefa Cup" League

Edited Friday at 22:25 by 1874

[Upside Down]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

is 4 weeks that late? 

EFL and Sky agreed to give fans as much notice as possible and that what they have done all season

 

FFS, you been told and told the answer so many times but still going on and on. If you wanted more TV revenue for all clubs then all 3 leagues need to be on TV given that some increased revenue for clubs in league 2. 

more choice for fans. interesting that you have no problem with the PL showing a number of games at the same time or the Champions League showing multiple games at the same time, but you never complained about that tho did you?  

You really do have absolutely zero ability to see anything from anyone else's perspective other than your own.

Embarrassing chaddy.

[superniko]

2 from 5 teams now I think.

Norwich likely to be 6 points adrift after this weekend 

[Hasta]

18 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

it was the clubs who wanted this and wanted more money from the tv rights. What don't you get? 

20 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The clubs accepted the shit show but they didn't create it.  It was the clubs who wanted more money. It was Sky Sports that wanted EFL fixtures on Thursday and Friday nights and don't care with their picks which fans are inconvenienced. So they are both to blame. What don't you get?

Edited yesterday at 08:55 by Hasta

[Mattyblue]

As well as the crackers situation of seven live games all kicking off at half 12 on a Saturday…