v Stockport County (a) - 13/8/24 - Carabao Cup

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, alexanders said:

Do people see Tyjon above Vale in the pecking order? 

yes,i do,vale could`nt even do it in conference for halifax,he`s got no future here

[J*B]

29 minutes ago, alexanders said:

Do people see Tyjon above Vale in the pecking order? 

I’d put you above Vale in the pecking order. 

[Hatter1]

County fan in peace. We've got 11 out injured - including Adaramola for 2 months thanks to your captain kicking him in the friendly... - so 12 fit outfield, senior players. Though maybe 2 of those back for next Saturday and 2 shortly after.

In that scenario the manager has already confirmed youth and academy players will be involved. Suspect they'll be a handful of first teamers starting as there are some who didn't make the XI yesterday (where we lost another to be being kicked late on) and others still building minutes from their own injuries in preseason. We've really struggled with injuries for the last year or so! 7 knee injuries currently.

Normally I think most of the fanbase would like us to go for it. It's an exciting fixture - gone are the days of tier 7/8 teams in the FA Trophy - and it's first season in a while when league promotion isn't the expectation but our injury situation just doesn't allow it. Suspect everyone will be happy if whoever makes it out there puts in a decent account of themselves and no one gets injured. I wouldn't read too much into the preseason game for the same reason as we were chopping and changing all preseason.

If you are anywhere near full strength I suspect it will be a long night for us - it could be anyways. 

Edited August 11 by Hatter1

[Hullrover]

Only got 5 games in 4 weeks before break so no reason why we don’t put out a strong team. Would not expect any injury prone players to start (Hedges). Would think all the bench players from Fri will get a game.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

44 minutes ago, J*B said:

I’d put you above Vale in the pecking order. 

You look at a player and think - what have they got. Are they, quick, strong, aggressive, two footed, can they jump, have they got a trick or two, are they good passers of the ball etc etc . With Vale I’m still waiting.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

34 minutes ago, Hatter1 said:

County fan in peace. We've got 11 out injured - including Adaramola for 2 months thanks to your captain kicking him in the friendly... - so 12 fit outfield, senior players. Though maybe 2 of those back for next Saturday and 2 shortly after.

In that scenario the manager has already confirmed youth and academy players will be involved. Suspect they'll be a handful of first teamers starting as there are some who didn't make the XI yesterday (where we lost another to be being kicked late on) and others still building minutes from their own injuries in preseason. We've really struggled with injuries for the last year or so! 7 knee injuries currently.

Normally I think most of the fanbase would like us to go for it. It's an exciting fixture - gone are the days of tier 7/8 teams in the FA Trophy - and it's first season in a while when league promotion isn't the expectation but our injury situation just doesn't allow it. Suspect everyone will be happy if whoever makes it out there puts in a decent account of themselves and no one gets injured. I wouldn't read too much into the preseason game for the same reason as we were chopping and changing all preseason.

If you are anywhere near full strength I suspect it will be a long night for us - it could be anyways. 

We’ll have a decent side out but I’ll be really surprised if it’s anything like our first 11.

[Neal]

Mates just moved to Manchester so blagged a ticket with him in the home end. Mentioned Louie Barry on here before, think he looks a decent player that a few clubs in the championship might be interested in soon, scored a cracker first game of the season. 

[J*B]

3 hours ago, Hatter1 said:

County fan in peace. We've got 11 out injured - including Adaramola for 2 months thanks to your captain kicking him in the friendly... - so 12 fit outfield, senior players. Though maybe 2 of those back for next Saturday and 2 shortly after.

In that scenario the manager has already confirmed youth and academy players will be involved. Suspect they'll be a handful of first teamers starting as there are some who didn't make the XI yesterday (where we lost another to be being kicked late on) and others still building minutes from their own injuries in preseason. We've really struggled with injuries for the last year or so! 7 knee injuries currently.

Normally I think most of the fanbase would like us to go for it. It's an exciting fixture - gone are the days of tier 7/8 teams in the FA Trophy - and it's first season in a while when league promotion isn't the expectation but our injury situation just doesn't allow it. Suspect everyone will be happy if whoever makes it out there puts in a decent account of themselves and no one gets injured. I wouldn't read too much into the preseason game for the same reason as we were chopping and changing all preseason.

If you are anywhere near full strength I suspect it will be a long night for us - it could be anyways. 

You’ve come to exactly the right place - we’ve a whole host of players not up to Championship level. What position are you most in need of? 

[Upside Down]

17 minutes ago, J*B said:

You’ve come to exactly the right place - we’ve a whole host of players not up to Championship level. What position are you most in need of? 

Throw in a free goalkeeper as well.

[Hatter1]

2 hours ago, Neal said:

Mates just moved to Manchester so blagged a ticket with him in the home end. Mentioned Louie Barry on here before, think he looks a decent player that a few clubs in the championship might be interested in soon, scored a cracker first game of the season. 

He's shit. You wouldn't want him at all.... 

(We love him and he says he loves playing for us. Nasty ACL injury cut out 60% of his L2 season last year but the first 15 games he was electric. May get a half as, although he played Saturday, he's reportedly 3 weeks behind where we'd like him to be with doing his preseason with Villa and the later EPL start. Equally can see us wrapping him in cotton wool though.)

Edited August 11 by Hatter1

[Hatter1]

25 minutes ago, J*B said:

You’ve come to exactly the right place - we’ve a whole host of players not up to Championship level. What position are you most in need of? 

Haha. Depends on their "age profile". We're trying to buy/loan younger then develop now we're not one of the big spenders in the division - admittedly we could be top 10 though. We brought in 12 preseason and said that was our planned business done but have also said there's budget left and we're looking to respond to the injuries.

A RB/RWB is really a must. We have one coming off an ACL injury from last year that's ahead of schedule (and a good player) but won't be available for 2-3 months at best, then will have barely played in the last year (Southam-Hales). Another reliable one that looked set to be our regular, after missing most of the second half of last season with a bleed on the brain following an aerial challenge (yes - that's right!), who has just done his knee and is out for 4 months. Then a couple of players who can fill in (Mingi, Collar, Fevrier) but their preferred positions are elsewhere.

A combative midfielder who can also pass wouldn't go a miss either. I suspect it will be loans if we bring anyone in, unless we move on Powell.

We've got 3 keepers. That's the one position without injuries! Maybe we could play 5-aside Tuesday with rolling goalies....?

 

[Neal]

37 minutes ago, Hatter1 said:

He's shit. You wouldn't want him at all.... 

(We love him and he says he loves playing for us. Nasty ACL injury cut out 60% of his L2 season last year but the first 15 games he was electric. May get a half as, although he played Saturday, he's reportedly 3 weeks behind where we'd like him to be with doing his preseason with Villa and the later EPL start. Equally can see us wrapping him in cotton wool though.)

Ha

 

Seems to be a good pro with a good attitude, always been impressed every time I see him. If he keeps scoring goals like the weekend you'll do well to hang on to him no doubt. 

[WacoRover]

Give all the new lads a runout… Mak, Sauce, Batth, Weimann, & the toffees’ reject gk. 

[arbitro]

7 hours ago, Hatter1 said:

Haha. Depends on their "age profile". We're trying to buy/loan younger then develop now we're not one of the big spenders in the division - admittedly we could be top 10 though. We brought in 12 preseason and said that was our planned business done but have also said there's budget left and we're looking to respond to the injuries.

A RB/RWB is really a must. We have one coming off an ACL injury from last year that's ahead of schedule (and a good player) but won't be available for 2-3 months at best, then will have barely played in the last year (Southam-Hales). Another reliable one that looked set to be our regular, after missing most of the second half of last season with a bleed on the brain following an aerial challenge (yes - that's right!), who has just done his knee and is out for 4 months. Then a couple of players who can fill in (Mingi, Collar, Fevrier) but their preferred positions are elsewhere.

A combative midfielder who can also pass wouldn't go a miss either. I suspect it will be loans if we bring anyone in, unless we move on Powell.

We've got 3 keepers. That's the one position without injuries! Maybe we could play 5-aside Tuesday with rolling goalies....?

 

Is it safe to assume Norwood and Gayle weren't offered deals.

[KentExile]

7 hours ago, Hatter1 said:

Haha. Depends on their "age profile". We're trying to buy/loan younger then develop now we're not one of the big spenders in the division - admittedly we could be top 10 though. We brought in 12 preseason and said that was our planned business done but have also said there's budget left and we're looking to respond to the injuries.

A RB/RWB is really a must. We have one coming off an ACL injury from last year that's ahead of schedule (and a good player) but won't be available for 2-3 months at best, then will have barely played in the last year (Southam-Hales). Another reliable one that looked set to be our regular, after missing most of the second half of last season with a bleed on the brain following an aerial challenge (yes - that's right!), who has just done his knee and is out for 4 months. Then a couple of players who can fill in (Mingi, Collar, Fevrier) but their preferred positions are elsewhere.

A combative midfielder who can also pass wouldn't go a miss either. I suspect it will be loans if we bring anyone in, unless we move on Powell.

We've got 3 keepers. That's the one position without injuries! Maybe we could play 5-aside Tuesday with rolling goalies....?

 

If Rovers  were to bring in a right back/wing back on loan, I could see Leo Duru really benefitting from a League 1 loan.  19 year old, quick, good with the ball, tore up PL2 in the second half of last season, but firmly behind Brittan at Rovers and his development may stagnate without regular first team football at this stage.

Can see him getting a start tomorrow night for Rovers

Edited August 12 by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

@Hatter1what is the season target for you and will you be able to keep of your manager? 

[Hatter1]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Is it safe to assume Norwood and Gayle weren't offered deals.

Broadly. We had a Fans Forum just before the season started and their names came up, of course. Sounded like a bit of pragmatism on both sides - we needed bodies with our 2 preseason games in 2 games, they wanted to stay fit and keep themselves in the shop window.

For Norwood too there was a comment along the lines of he wants to play as high as possible so I suspect he's out of our price/aspiration range currently. For Gayle, maybe, but we seem keen to transition to playing with wingers and we've got some good options as the central striker - especially if Mellon(on loan from Burnley)'s injury isn't as bad as first feared. Still another 2+months though.

Sounded like we were looking for short term deals to fill in gaps due to injuries so I wouldn't say no. There's budget left apparently but U23 loans probably more likely. We brought in a kid from Everton Friday. Still think we could do with a permanent, first choice RB though. 

[Hatter1]

9 hours ago, Neal said:

Ha

 

Seems to be a good pro with a good attitude, always been impressed every time I see him. If he keeps scoring goals like the weekend you'll do well to hang on to him no doubt. 

Well he's not our player; being recalled in Jan to player higher was expected last season then he did his ACL. Reportedly Championship clubs were interested this preseason but he chose us (he's very vocal about liking it here - suspect it's because it's the best football he's played in a while). 

If he lights up L1, I can see January recall to test him in the Championship but really what he needs is an interrupted season and 20+ goal return. So hopefully he manages that with us... 

[Hatter1]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

If Rovers  were to bring in a right back/wing back on loan, I could see Leo Duru really benefitting from a League 1 loan.  19 year old, quick, good with the ball, tore up PL2 in the second half of last season, but firmly behind Brittan at Rovers and his development may stagnate without regular first team football at this stage.

Can see him getting a start tomorrow night for Rovers

Interesting. Sounds like exactly the sort of player we would look for. The manager is a big fan of pace at wingback and we brought in Adaramola from Palace on the other side, before Travis took him out!

[Hatter1]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

@Hatter1what is the season target for you and will you be able to keep of your manager? 

Depends who you ask! The owner and manager have mentioned targeting the POs. The owner is very ambitious and Challinor has never finished outside of the POs in his managerial career!

We were a bit more realistic at the Fans Forum given the amount of relatively big clubs at this level and spending. 10-12th would be a good achievement for me, especially with our injuries. Somewhere midtable if the injuries don't dry up. For some, anything above a relegation battle is baseline; others think we have a good chance at the POs given the momentum behind the club and where Orient, Stevenage and Northampton finished last season. 

Re Challinor. Depends on the above. The question marks about him have been whether he can do it a higher level and with not one of the biggest budgets, so a good performance this season would answer a lot of those. He's well backed here and part of ambitious project but if someone like Bolton or yourselves came in for him, I think he'd go. He nearly went to Charlton last season. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Bolton seem happy with the guy they’ve got. It’s early days for us but personally I think Eustace will do ok even with the “ added degree of difficulty “ the Chicken Chokers bring to the job.

[Exiled_Rover]

15 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You look at a player and think - what have they got. Are they, quick, strong, aggressive, two footed, can they jump, have they got a trick or two, are they good passers of the ball etc etc . With Vale I’m still waiting.

Vale is good technically - you can see that. He just has nothing going for him physically or mentally.

[J*B]

3 hours ago, Hatter1 said:

Depends who you ask! The owner and manager have mentioned targeting the POs. The owner is very ambitious and Challinor has never finished outside of the POs in his managerial career!

We were a bit more realistic at the Fans Forum given the amount of relatively big clubs at this level and spending. 10-12th would be a good achievement for me, especially with our injuries. Somewhere midtable if the injuries don't dry up. For some, anything above a relegation battle is baseline; others think we have a good chance at the POs given the momentum behind the club and where Orient, Stevenage and Northampton finished last season. 

Re Challinor. Depends on the above. The question marks about him have been whether he can do it a higher level and with not one of the biggest budgets, so a good performance this season would answer a lot of those. He's well backed here and part of ambitious project but if someone like Bolton or yourselves came in for him, I think he'd go. He nearly went to Charlton last season. 

For what its worth I often work at Stockport - we hire your ground for film shoots - and the improvements in both facilities and staff over the last 5 years is fantastic. You're certainly a club on the up.

[Hatter1]

34 minutes ago, J*B said:

For what its worth I often work at Stockport - we hire your ground for film shoots - and the improvements in both facilities and staff over the last 5 years is fantastic. You're certainly a club on the up.

Yeah and big plans to come. Plans for a 20k stadium in motion and redoing 3 of the stands - the first being the open Railway End which is just shit - apologies if you end up there for the game. We rent Carrington currently, which is great, but the owner wants to build our training ground in Stockport. We seem to be doing the right things in the community and trying to rebuild the youth setup too. That gives me hope we'll become semi-sustainable as currently we're spending an awful lot to invest. Fan support is on the up too though and we capped out at 6,500 season tickets this season.

Championship in 7 years was the goal when Stott took over in the National League (though a lot of the groundwork was laid by Jim Gannon getting us out of regional football in the NLN). It's now Championship in three years. It's doable but this will be the biggest challenge yet. Personally, I'm just trying to enjoy the journey after 3 relegations in 4 seasons, administration and opening day away trips to Spennymoor or facing (and losing to) Bradford Park Avenue, Vauxhall Motors etc. 

[Mattyblue]

Big potential there when you see the size of Stockport borough.