Tracking our (outbound) loan players 24/25

[KentExile]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

There is very few wingers out there now. Most wide players cut inside like Salah does at Liverpool or Kulusevski at Spurs. Markanday is in the same mould. 

Merry Christmas KentExile 

Also, a lot of players who would have in the past been considered as a winger, are now played as wing backs or full backs, Giles, Gent etc

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Also, a lot of players who would have in the past been considered as a winger, are now played as wing backs or full backs, Giles, Gent etc

Great point there

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Also, a lot of players who would have in the past been considered as a winger, are now played as wing backs or full backs, Giles, Gent etc

And they’re neither good enough as a full back or a winger.

[KentExile]

14 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

And they’re neither good enough as a full back or a winger.

Giles did well as a left back for Middlesbrough, and well as a left winger for Cardiff.  Gent is doing well at the level he is at, but he is not a Championship level player at this time (if ever).  I was just using former Rovers players as examples we would be at least familiar with, rather than saying that they are wonderful players

Another traditional winger who was converted into a full back was Le Saux

Edited December 23, 2024 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, rigger said:

Watching Markanday play for the U23's he was always at his most dangerous when he moved inside. He has a natural powerful shot. He possesses none of the abilities required of a decent winger.. Which games have you seen Markanday play that lead you to think that central is not his best position.

The burden of proof here is not on me. There is no evidence that Markanday is a Championship standard player or anything close. He has also barely if ever played centrally and even in League 2 seems to have been played wide still where he is being productive at a level that perhaps suits him more.

You seem to be basing it on under 23 games from years ago where even then from what you say he didnt specifically play centrally, he just drifted there.

6 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Based purely on the warm-up drills he's the best finisher at the club. He just has absolutely zero physicality. 

I just dont think hes close to being a Champipnship standard player.

[pick32]

Let’s get Garret back with trav out 

[KentExile]

23 minutes ago, pick32 said:

Let’s get Garret back with trav out 

He cannot be recalled until the window opens next week.

When it does open, I am sure that Garrett (and O'Riordan) will both be recalled due to lack of game time, but will probably be loaned out elsewhere, rather than used by Rovers this term (I am pretty sure, that having played for one loan club already this term, if they do play for Rovers, then they cannot then be loaned out elsewhere this season)

Edited December 23, 2024 by KentExile

[rigger]

51 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The burden of proof here is not on me. There is no evidence that Markanday is a Championship standard player or anything close. He has also barely if ever played centrally and even in League 2 seems to have been played wide still where he is being productive at a level that perhaps suits him more.

You seem to be basing it on under 23 games from years ago where even then from what you say he didnt specifically play centrally, he just drifted there.

I just dont think hes close to being a Champipnship standard player.

Only time will tell

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

He cannot be recalled until the window opens next week.

When it does open, I am sure that Garrett (and O'Riordan) will both be recalled due to lack of game time, but will probably be loaned out elsewhere, rather than used by Rovers this term (I am pretty sure, that having played for one loan club already this term, if they do play for Rovers, then they cannot then be loaned out elsewhere this season)

We need to find them clubs where they will play regular first team football. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, KentExile said:

Giles did well as a left back for Middlesbrough, and well as a left winger for Cardiff.  Gent is doing well at the level he is at, but he is not a Championship level player at this time (if ever).  I was just using former Rovers players as examples we would be at least familiar with, rather than saying that they are wonderful players

Another traditional winger who was converted into a full back was Le Saux

Alan Wright was another but there were international class players. Most of these wing backs we see today at our level aren’t brilliant at defending or attacking. Some are decent attacking players but can’t defend to save their lives.

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, KentExile said:

He cannot be recalled until the window opens next week.

When it does open, I am sure that Garrett (and O'Riordan) will both be recalled due to lack of game time, but will probably be loaned out elsewhere, rather than used by Rovers this term (I am pretty sure, that having played for one loan club already this term, if they do play for Rovers, then they cannot then be loaned out elsewhere this season)

I'd rather he be of some use here for a month with us in a promotion fight, and continue to be backup for that style of midfielder when Tronstad or Travis inevitably get injured or suspended again, than potentially end up notching just a handful of League One appearances again.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, rigger said:

Only time will tell

It probably wont in that I doubt it will ever be tried. 

3 hours ago, pick32 said:

Let’s get Garret back with trav out 

Lets not. Not good enough and half a season struggling to get into the Bristol Rovers squad doesnt strengthen his argument.

[KentExile]

Last one of these before Christmas

Saadi started this evening in Cyprus and played the full game in a 2-2 draw

Random bit of trivia - Blackburn born Greek International & son of former Rovers player George, Anastasios Donis was on the opposing side

Edited December 23, 2024 by KentExile

[B16Rover]

Is Gilsenan still knocking about, due a move maybe?

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Is Gilsenan still knocking about, due a move maybe?

He is still recovering from injury 

[KentExile]

Powell loan at Chorley extended for another month & Michalski's loan ended at City of Liverpool

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/december/24/powell-extends-magpies-stay/

[rigger]

On 23/12/2024 at 09:26, roversfan99 said:

The burden of proof here is not on me. There is no evidence that Markanday is a Championship standard player or anything close. He has also barely if ever played centrally and even in League 2 seems to have been played wide still where he is being productive at a level that perhaps suits him more.

You seem to be basing it on under 23 games from years ago where even then from what you say he didnt specifically play centrally, he just drifted there.

I just dont think hes close to being a Champipnship standard player.

I don't see it as requiring a " Burdon of Proof ", it is my opinion. The same as it is your opinion that Markanday is not a championship level player.

[Exiled_Rover]

On 23/12/2024 at 20:14, B16Rover said:

Is Gilsenan still knocking about, due a move maybe?

That lad is constantly injured.

[wilsdenrover]

On 23/12/2024 at 10:04, KentExile said:

He cannot be recalled until the window opens next week.

When it does open, I am sure that Garrett (and O'Riordan) will both be recalled due to lack of game time, but will probably be loaned out elsewhere, rather than used by Rovers this term (I am pretty sure, that having played for one loan club already this term, if they do play for Rovers, then they cannot then be loaned out elsewhere this season)

Technically we could loan them elsewhere (3 club registration limit) but as they wouldn’t then be able to play for them (2 club playing limit) I doubt we’d have any takers 😁😁

 

[Mattyblue]

If Markanday is a Championship level player why has he been sent out to the fourth division despite being at a Championship club for three years?

[KentExile]

Interesting that Honor seems to be doing well at that level whilst Michalski, despite being the more highly rated of the two, was recalled from his loan at the team at bottom of the table in the same division after they brought in someone to replace him,.

From memory, Atherton were second bottom when Honor joined them, and they have since moved up into mid table

[KentExile]

Starts today for

Markanday lost 2-0

Olson drew 0-0

Powell game abandoned at half time whilst losing 1-0

Atcheson lost 3-2

Edmondson lost 2-1

Eastham game abandoned whilst winning 3-0

Honor lost 2-1

 

On the bench

Garrett lost 3-1

Gamble lost 3-1

 

Not involved in matchday squad

Vale lost 4-0

O'Riordan lost 2-1

Montgomery lost 3-2

Mullarkey-Matthews lost 3-2

Ramwell lost 5-1

 

Game postponed

Batty 

 

Saturday 28th Dec

Wood not involved for Annan who drew 1-1

Woods loan has been a strange one.  Appeared in the first 6 games of the season in league and cup, scoring his first senior goal, then had 2 games as an unused sub, and I do not think he has not been seen or heard from since early October.  Maybe an injury, maybe frozen out/completely out of favour,  I think his loan expires after this game.

Edited December 28, 2024 by KentExile

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

6 hours ago, KentExile said:

Starts today for

Markanday lost 2-0

Olson drew 0-0

Powell game abandoned at half time whilst losing 1-0

Atcheson lost 3-2

Edmondson lost 2-1

Eastham game abandoned whilst winning 3-0

Honor lost 2-1

 

On the bench

Garrett lost 3-1

Gamble lost 3-1

 

Not involved in matchday squad

Vale lost 4-0

O'Riordan lost 2-1

Montgomery lost 3-2

Mullarkey-Matthews lost 3-2

Ramwell lost 5-1

 

Game postponed

Batty 

 

Play on Saturday

Wood 

Bloody hell, you’d get long odds on those scores. 

[Exiled_Rover]

Horror loans for Garrett and O'Riordan. I wouldn't do business with either of those clubs again.

[Mattyblue]

Why? If they were pulling up trees they’d be playing.

These are pro clubs, not development teams there to do us a favour - flip it round, maybe they should refuse loans from us if we provide duds.