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Tracking our (outbound) loan players 24/25


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5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Whilst CBs seem to be our predominant output, let's not forget Adam Wharton, Rory Finneran, Harry Leonard, Nyambe, Buckley (eww). Potentially Duru, Tyjon and Higgins to come through. A few others who have briefly been squad players, like Butterworth, Vale, Mahoney.

Going back further of course, Duff, Gallagher, Derbyshire, Dunn.

I read that bit as if they were in Trumpton 😁😁

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Elliott Jackson piece about loans in the LT

 

 

Blackburn Rovers are expected to loan Leo Duru this month with interest gathering in the English Football League and abroad, The Lancashire Telegraph can reveal.

The right-back remained at Ewood Park after impressing in pre-season. He made his Championship debut in the dying minutes at Turf Moor and started in the Carabao Cup defeat to Blackpool.

But with John Eustace keen to bolster his squad with new signings, a loan move is likely for Duru in January. That might not be until later this month to protect against injuries but clubs have lodged their interest.

Carlisle United and Barrow are two teams that tracked Duru in the summer and would still be keen to sign the right-back. Clubs in Major League Soccer have also been linked in the USA Under-20 international.

There could be further movement in the loan department this month. Jake Garrett is likely to head to a new club after being recalled from his spell at Bristol Rovers.

The midfielder struggled for game time after a decent start with the Gas. He returned to Rovers last week but is expected to go back on loan or experience.

Garrett can't play for Rovers this weekend against Middlesbrough in The FA Cup, unless he is staying for the rest of the season. Rules state a player can only play competitively for two teams per season.

Connor O'Riordan is also expected to return to Blackburn Rovers at some stage this month. Like Garrett, he has barely played at Cambridge United. It would make little sense for him to remain with the League One relegation battlers.

Talks internally about Dilan Markanday remain ongoing. The forward's most likely option, at this stage, is to stay at Chesterfield until the summer.

It's understood that if Rovers did recall Markanday, it would be with the view of sending him out on loan into League One to test him at a higher level. The 22-year-old is settled and happy at Chesterfield though, having expressed his desire publicly to remain with the Spireites.

Harrison Wood is likely to return from Annan Athletic after is minutes dried up. Charlie Olson's loan at Altrincham has been extended until the end of the season.

 

 

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1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Olson's loan extended until end of season

 

 

Interesting, at 20 I wondered if they might try to find him a League Two loan, as time is running out to convince he can break into our first team squad...tbf maybe we already think he won't, or maybe there just wasn't any interest to drum up.

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19 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Interesting, at 20 I wondered if they might try to find him a League Two loan, as time is running out to convince he can break into our first team squad...tbf maybe we already think he won't, or maybe there just wasn't any interest to drum up.

For me, he is behind both Atcheson & Litherland (who are both still teenagers) in terms of potentially making a future first team breakthrough.  But it sounds like he is having a great loan, which can only be good for him and Rovers in terms of  further progressing for either our own team, or a future sale/add ons/sell on

 

That being said, he only turned 20 in October, were Scott Wharton and Hayden Carter not both 22 or 23 before they broke through after several loans?

 

Just checked,

Wharton turned 24 during his first real break through in 21/22 season

Carter turned 22 during his break through season in 22/23

 

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46 minutes ago, KentExile said:

For me, he is behind both Atcheson & Litherland (who are both still teenagers) in terms of potentially making a future first team breakthrough.  But it sounds like he is having a great loan, which can only be good for him and Rovers in terms of  further progressing for either our own team, or a future sale/add ons/sell on

 

That being said, he only turned 20 in October, were Scott Wharton and Hayden Carter not both 22 or 23 before they broke through after several loans?

 

Just checked,

Wharton turned 24 during his first real break through in 21/22 season

Carter turned 22 during his break through season in 22/23

 

Indeed, but Scott Wharton had 2 Championship appearances and 9 League Two by the time he turned 20, Carter was a bit slower to get a breakthrough loan initially but had 2 Championship appearances around the time he was 19/20, and he was 21 when he had finished his first loan, which was in League One (24 appearances, 4 goals, plus he had another Championship appearance before it).

So he's a bit behind both those players in his development I'd say, but if he lands a professional loan next season, which might be possible if he keeps playing well in the National League, I guess you can't rule him out if we keep him for a few more years (dunno his contract situation) and get him more development loans. Like you say though, in the short term his obstacles are Litherland and Atcheson.

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24 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

 

So he's a bit behind both those players in his development I'd say, but if he lands a professional loan next season, which might be possible if he keeps playing well in the National League, I guess you can't rule him out if we keep him for a few more years (dunno his contract situation) and get him more development loans. Like you say though, in the short term his obstacles are Litherland and Atcheson.

His current contract is until the end of next season, with an option to extend in the clubs favour until June 2027 (by which time he will be a few months away from turning 23 and we should know one way or another how he is progressing)

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/july/12/charlie-signs-new-deal/

I would guess, the fact he got a 2 year + an option deal in the summer (when most of a similar age range got 1 year + an option) would indicate that he is rated to some extent by the club.  Although Atcheson, was more recently tied up until potentially 2029

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/november/15/tom-pens-new-deal-/

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22 minutes ago, KentExile said:

His current contract is until the end of next season, with an option to extend in the clubs favour until June 2027 (by which time he will be a few months away from turning 23 and we should know one way or another how he is progressing)

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/july/12/charlie-signs-new-deal/

I would guess, the fact he got a 2 year + an option deal in the summer (when most of a similar age range got 1 year + an option) would indicate that he is rated to some extent by the club.  Although Atcheson, was more recently tied up until potentially 2029

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/november/15/tom-pens-new-deal-/

If Atcheson is on loan to a NLN side, and Olson on loan to a NL side, surely Olson is ahead of Atcheson in the pecking order (on present ability, not on potential).

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31 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

If Atcheson is on loan to a NLN side, and Olson on loan to a NL side, surely Olson is ahead of Atcheson in the pecking order (on present ability, not on potential).

Personally think Olson "got lucky" to some extent, rather than being ahead of Atcheson on current ability.  I think Altrincham had a bit of an injury crisis in defence and Olson got a loan because he was available, and he then took his chance.  And fair play to him, it may well be a sliding doors moment in his career.

Gamble on the other hand was playing in pre season for Rovers first team (albeit as part of the 2nd string 2nd half side before Fadz & Batth joined), but is struggling to make an impact at Fylde, also in the NL

Atchesons loan is only until January, so who knows, he may end up in a higher tier also.  Although it does feel as though Rovers are happy enough to have them playing regularly in mens football and are not too bothered about moving them up that extra division

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My tally of our current loans by level:

Scottish Prem: Vale (Motherwell) - recently returned from a long injury with a couple subs.

League One (3): O'Riordan (Cambridge) - Odd he wasn't immediately recalled like Garrett given he hasn't even made the bench in recent games. Perhaps lining up another loan first.

League Two (4): Batty (Accrington), Markanday (Chesterfield)

National League (5): Gamble (Fylde), Goddard (Ebbsfleet), Olson (Altrincham)

National League North (6): Powell (Chorley)

Northern Premier League (7): Eastham (Ashton), Edmondson (Macclesfield) (possible this loan has now ended after being extend to 'January'; will see if he's in tonight's line-up)

Northern Premier League Div One (8): Honor (Atherton Collieries)

Cyprus First Division: Saadi (Ethnikos Achna)

Atcheson was on the bench for 6th tier Marine on 1 Jan but his loan was due to end that day. Had made 13 starts + 1 sub for them. Montgomery's loan there also due to end on 1 Jan, but he hasn't been in their lineup for over a month. Not as if he was totally frozen out though as he did manage 17 starts on his loan there. (edit: Atcheson and Montgomery both in the lineup for the U21s PL Cup match tonight v Bamber Bridge)

Loans that were also originally due to end in January were Mullarkey-Matthews at 7th tier Bamber Bridge (seems he only made 4 apps there, and hasn't shown up there since Sept) and Harrison Wood at Scottish 3rd tier Annan (5 league apps + 1 cup app, but hasn't shown up there since Oct - edit: Wood also in the lineup for the U21s tonight)

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1 hour ago, RoverCanada said:

My tally of our current loans by level:

Scottish Prem: Vale (Motherwell) - recently returned from a long injury with a couple subs.

League One (3): O'Riordan (Cambridge) - Odd he wasn't immediately recalled like Garrett given he hasn't even made the bench in recent games. Perhaps lining up another loan first.

League Two (4): Batty (Accrington), Markanday (Chesterfield)

National League (5): Gamble (Fylde), Goddard (Ebbsfleet), Olson (Altrincham)

National League North (6): Powell (Chorley)

Northern Premier League (7): Eastham (Ashton), Edmondson (Macclesfield) (possible this loan has now ended after being extend to 'January'; will see if he's in tonight's line-up)

Northern Premier League Div One (8): Honor (Atherton Collieries)

Cyprus First Division: Saadi (Ethnikos Achna)

Atcheson was on the bench for 6th tier Marine on 1 Jan but his loan was due to end that day. Had made 13 starts + 1 sub for them. Montgomery's loan there also due to end on 1 Jan, but he hasn't been in their lineup for over a month. Not as if he was totally frozen out though as he did manage 17 starts on his loan there.

Loans that were also originally due to end in January were Mullarkey-Matthews at 7th tier Bamber Bridge (seems he only made 4 apps there, and hasn't shown up there since Sept) and Harrison Wood at Scottish 3rd tier Annan (5 league apps + 1 cup app, but hasn't shown up there since Oct).

Montgomery has been injured, Atcheson has also had a couple of injuries as well as missing other games due to International call ups (no international break at that level so he just misses club games when he gets called up),

Both have done well in their loans, with at least one man of the match performance each, and Montgomery has scored also.  Both named in Rovers U21 line up tonight (along with Harrison Wood) but still possible both of those loans may either be extended, or they may be sent to a higher level

 

 

 

Edmondson's loan was extended until the 8th Jan (last line of the page the link takes you to), so should in theory be available tonight

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Starts this evening for

Eastham - won 1-0 vs top of the table Macclesfield

Goddard - lost 2-1 but he had a good game, saved a penalty and made a few decent saves (see next post),  Looks like he will get the man of the match award too.   Todd Kane & Dominic Samuel also starting for Ebbsfleet. 

 

Edmondson not named in the Macclesfield squad v Eastham's Ashton, so maybe he is being recalled and sent elsewhere?

 

Play tomorrow

Vale 

Saadi

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5 hours ago, KentExile said:

Goddard loaned to Ebbsfleet (5th tier) & Eastham loan extended at Ashford Utd (7th tier), both until the end of the season

 

If anyone is interested, Goddard may feature tonight v West Ham U21 in the National League Cup, free stream here, kick off at 7pm

https://www.nationalleaguetv.com/

 

It's pretty pathetic that at age 23, the best Jordan Eastham can do is the 7th tier. I believe he was in the 6th tier last season? So only going backwards. Contract is up in the summer, surely he'll be released.

Goddard came with a good reputation from City (then again so did Davenport, currently plying his trade in Ireland at 26 years old) so I did think he might be further along by now. Not too late though, 5th tier at 20 isn't shameful and it's hard to get League Two teams and above to take a risk on young goalkeepers. Ebbsfleet are rock bottom and have shipped 60 goals, so he'll definitely get lots of practice!

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Whoops, thought Goddard was being extended but it's a new loan...why do I think everything is extended deals today??
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13 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

It's pretty pathetic that at age 23, the best Jordan Eastham can do is the 7th tier. I believe he was in the 6th tier last season? So only going backwards. Contract is up in the summer, surely he'll be released.

Goddard came with a good reputation from City (then again so did Davenport, currently plying his trade in Ireland at 26 years old) so I did think he might be further along by now. Not too late though, 5th tier at 20 isn't shameful and it's hard to get League Two teams and above to take a risk on young goalkeepers.

7th tier last season also (at Hyde), and each of the 2 seasons before that (both at Lancaster City)

Very good with his feet and quite agile, but his lack of height (5 ft 11) goes against him,  I think Rovers might have been hoping for a late growth spurt that never happened

 

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55 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Starts this evening for

Goddard - score/update - live stream kick off at 7pm (Todd Kane & Dominic Samuel also starting for Ebbsfleet)

Todd Kane (31) and Dominic Samuel (30) playing for the mighty Ebbsfleet. We've had some crap through the doors...

Then again Kane was playing (a bit of) Championship football just two seasons ago, and fairly regularly three seasons ago. He has also graced the Eredivisie and played quite a few fairly full Championship seasons. He spent quite a bit of last season in Gibraltar though, then got a brief deal (from March) at Stockport at the tail end.

Samuel managed 3 goals in 22 League One games for Gillingham after leaving us, then 1 goal in 39 SPL appearances for Ross County, who released him. 6 goals in 23 for Ebbsfleet last season, 1 in 5 this season. Probably found his level, and he's not even shining there (although Ebbsfleet do appear to be shit so he might not get many chances).

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7 minutes ago, KentExile said:

7th tier last season also (at Hyde), and each of the 2 seasons before that (both at Lancaster City)

Very good with his feet, but his lack of height goes against him,

 

Ah I thought Hyde were in the 6th tier...I see now, Northern Premier League is below the National League North....they really should've picked better names for all these leagues.

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5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Ah I thought Hyde were in the 6th tier...I see now, Northern Premier League is below the National League North....they really should've picked better names for all these leagues.

Every one of them sounds like a top tier, lol

Sol Honor is currently in the 8th tier (Northern Premier League Division 1 West), and the division below that is the North West Counties Premier Division

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5 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Every one of them sounds like a top tier, lol

Sol Honor is currently in the 8th tier (Northern Premier League Division 1 West), and the division below that is the North West Counties Premier Division

When everything is Premier, nothing is Premier.

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1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Edmondson not named in the Macclesfield squad v Eastham's Ashton, so maybe he is being recalled and sent elsewhere?

 

Tbh, I'd thought he was already playing in the 6th tier due to the confusing names, but clearly it's the 7th (not sure how Macclesfield managed to fall so low, I'm sure that's a whole story). So I think he could definitely do to move up at least a level.

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3 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Maybe the divisions are named as such as they are meant to be some strange form of participation trophy

I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Well, more along the lines of the leagues taking branding decisions to sound as impressive as they can. Which seems a vain pursuit, somebody isn't going to move to a lower league because it has a shinier name (especially when all the leagues have shiny names!).

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5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Tbh, I'd thought he was already playing in the 6th tier due to the confusing names, but clearly it's the 7th (not sure how Macclesfield managed to fall so low, I'm sure that's a whole story). So I think he could definitely do to move up at least a level.

Macclesfield went bust and had to reform and start from the bottom

Decent documentary about it here "starring" a certain Robbie Savage

 

Bury in the 9th tier these days, similar story

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