Tracking our (outbound) loan players 24/25

[KentExile]

8 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Think this is a fucking stupid loan tbh.

It seems a move borne out of necessity.  His loan to Bristol was a disaster (personally I would lay most of the blame at the feet of Bristol Rovers former manager, but that hardly matters now).

After that Garrett needed to get games, and so another League 1 move was probably viewed as too risky, and him sitting on our bench was not going to help his future development.

If Travis was still injured I would have kept him with he squad as for me he is the closest replacement for Trav that we have, but assuming he had to go out on loan, I would have liked Garrett to get a loan to a team chasing promotion rather than battling relegation, but at least Nigel Adkins is known for giving younger players a chance.  

At this stage, we just have to hope he has a similar half season at this level to what Markanday had,  I just hope that they use him as a box to box player (or even in the Szmodics role) rather than trying to use him as a sitting midfielder which is simply not his game at all

Edited February 1 by KentExile

[KentExile]

Starts this weekend for

Markanday - lost 1-0 - Markanday subbed off after an hour with the score at 1-0

Batty - lost 2-1

Duru - lost 1-0 went off 20 minutes before full time, after receiving treatment, unsure of injury

O'Riordan - drew 1-1

Olson - won 1-0

Eastham - won 2-1

Honor - won 4-2

 

On the bench

Garrett - lost 3-1 - came on for the last 15 with the score at 3-1, got booked 5 minutes later - Hopefully he was only on the bench as he only signed yesterday.

Wood - drew 1-1 - came on after 65 mins with the score at 1-1

 

Not involved in match day squad

Goddard - lost 2-0 - injured

Bell - won 2-0

 

Play on Sunday

Saadi  - score/update

Vale  - score/update - Live on "Sky Sports Football"

 

Motherwell signed 2 strikers on loan on Saturday (Plange from Palace & Dickson from Man City), which may impact Jack Vale

Edited Sunday at 10:19 by KentExile

[bluebruce]

7 hours ago, KentExile said:

It seems a move borne out of necessity.  His loan to Bristol was a disaster (personally I would lay most of the blame at the feet of Bristol Rovers former manager, but that hardly matters now).

After that Garrett needed to get games, and so another League 1 move was probably viewed as too risky, and him sitting on our bench was not going to help his future development.

If Travis was still injured I would have kept him with he squad as for me he is the closest replacement for Trav that we have, but assuming he had to go out on loan, I would have liked Garrett to get a loan to a team chasing promotion rather than battling relegation, but at least Nigel Adkins is known for giving younger players a chance.  

At this stage, we just have to hope he has a similar half season at this level to what Markanday had,  I just hope that they use him as a box to box player (or even in the Szmodics role) rather than trying to use him as a sitting midfielder which is simply not his game at all

I think it's a complete waste of time. Garrett has 29 Championship appearances and has scored 4 goals for Rovers (albeit primarily in the cups). It's a massive backwards step, and nobody on this forum is going to convince me that Garrett isn't League One standard despite what happened at Bristol (so please, I ask they don't waste their and my time). I don't think games at that level will benefit him, and it's not as easy for someone who isn't an attacker to shine, Markanday's numbers spoke for themselves.

If we plot his likely career trajectory after a move like this...even ignoring that he's playing in a shit League Two side who are in the relegation zone and will probably struggle every week, so not easy to shine. Let's say he does well by the summer, what next? We aren't going to go 'oh well you did well in League Two so come and join our Championship squad again'. We are going to try to get him in League One, where he already should be. He then probably spends a season there, and comes back with a single year left on his contract. At which point, if he's done well again, we probably consider using him as a squad player. Given how shit we are with contracts, by the time he has had chance to impress enough to earn one, he doesn't end up signing it. And this is assuming everything goes well. For me this leaves us waiting too late in his development to know if we want to keep him around, and is just a backward step that didn't need to happen.

If a League Two relegation battler was the only option, I would have MUCH rather kept him around as backup. He's better than fucking Forshaw, who we keep having to rely on, and for me no worse than Buckley (in fact I prefer him to Buckley, doesn't vanish in games as often). He's also the only other midfielder who you could say can play a similar role to Travis and Tronstad, who are absolutely key to how we play, as has been seen. I'm much less interested in some poor quality development football for him for 6 months than I am in having acceptable backup in CM. We better have somebody lined up.

If we were going to plump for League Two you'd at least think we'd try to get him in at Chesterfield having done business with them twice already this season. But I'd have rather he try to establish himself in League One, IMO he was unlucky at Bristol and is definitely capable of playing in that league right now.

[KentExile]

22 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I think it's a complete waste of time. Garrett has 29 Championship appearances and has scored 4 goals for Rovers (albeit primarily in the cups). It's a massive backwards step, and nobody on this forum is going to convince me that Garrett isn't League One standard despite what happened at Bristol (so please, I ask they don't waste their and my time). I don't think games at that level will benefit him, and it's not as easy for someone who isn't an attacker to shine, Markanday's numbers spoke for themselves.

If we plot his likely career trajectory after a move like this...even ignoring that he's playing in a shit League Two side who are in the relegation zone and will probably struggle every week, so not easy to shine. Let's say he does well by the summer, what next? We aren't going to go 'oh well you did well in League Two so come and join our Championship squad again'. We are going to try to get him in League One, where he already should be. He then probably spends a season there, and comes back with a single year left on his contract. At which point, if he's done well again, we probably consider using him as a squad player. Given how shit we are with contracts, by the time he has had chance to impress enough to earn one, he doesn't end up signing it. And this is assuming everything goes well. For me this leaves us waiting too late in his development to know if we want to keep him around, and is just a backward step that didn't need to happen.

If a League Two relegation battler was the only option, I would have MUCH rather kept him around as backup. He's better than fucking Forshaw, who we keep having to rely on, and for me no worse than Buckley (in fact I prefer him to Buckley, doesn't vanish in games as often). He's also the only other midfielder who you could say can play a similar role to Travis and Tronstad, who are absolutely key to how we play, as has been seen. I'm much less interested in some poor quality development football for him for 6 months than I am in having acceptable backup in CM. We better have somebody lined up.

If we were going to plump for League Two you'd at least think we'd try to get him in at Chesterfield having done business with them twice already this season. But I'd have rather he try to establish himself in League One, IMO he was unlucky at Bristol and is definitely capable of playing in that league right now.

I agree with a lot of what you have written.  But specifically relating to the bold part, what I will add is that many of us thought a League 2 loan was below Markanday's level (and it probably was), but it did benefit him nonetheless, playing every week as the main man has done wonders for his form and confidence.  I hope that the same will apply to Garrett (who is a couple of years younger than Markanday) by the end of the season 

Edited February 1 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

Im not convinced that either Markanday or Garrett will ever be Championship standard. Maybe its about laying the foundations for a career away from here.

[KentExile]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not convinced that either Markanday or Garrett will ever be Championship standard. Maybe its about laying the foundations for a career away from here.

Personally disagree, I think both will be decent Championship players in a year or 3 (I think some of us think the average Championship player is much better than the reality... Despite many stating Hedges, Pickering, Dolan etc are "not good enough", the reality is that they have been regulars in Championship sides which have been challenging for the play offs more often than not), but we shall have to see what the future holds

Edited February 1 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Personally disagree, I think both will be decent Championship players in a year or 3 (I think some of us think the average Championship player is much better than the reality... Hedges, Pickering, Dolan etc have been regulars in Championship sides which have been challenging for the play offs more often than not), but we shall have to see what the future holds

Its hard to predict I suppose and as you suggest the standard isnt great. Pickering I think is a solid left back at this level and is underappreciated.

[KentExile]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Its hard to predict I suppose and as you suggest the standard isnt great. Pickering I think is a solid left back at this level and is underappreciated.

Couldn't agree more 

Edited February 1 by KentExile

[riverholmes]

15 hours ago, KentExile said:

It seems a move borne out of necessity.  His loan to Bristol was a disaster (personally I would lay most of the blame at the feet of Bristol Rovers former manager, but that hardly matters now).

After that Garrett needed to get games, and so another League 1 move was probably viewed as too risky, and him sitting on our bench was not going to help his future development.

If Travis was still injured I would have kept him with he squad as for me he is the closest replacement for Trav that we have, but assuming he had to go out on loan, I would have liked Garrett to get a loan to a team chasing promotion rather than battling relegation, but at least Nigel Adkins is known for giving younger players a chance.  

At this stage, we just have to hope he has a similar half season at this level to what Markanday had,  I just hope that they use him as a box to box player (or even in the Szmodics role) rather than trying to use him as a sitting midfielder which is simply not his game at all

I think getting Garrett out might at least partly be a financial decision to allow others to come in. Makes no sense to have teenagers Frank Vare and Dunn on the bench in the last game and have him in the stands. I also wonder if Forshaw is going to contribute much more than Garrett could have. But we’ll have to see. If Garrett gets regular games, could turn out a good move for him.

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, riverholmes said:

I think getting Garrett out might at least partly be a financial decision to allow others to come in. Makes no sense to have teenagers Frank Vare and Dunn on the bench in the last game and have him in the stands. I also wonder if Forshaw is going to contribute much more than Garrett could have. But we’ll have to see. If Garrett gets regular games, could turn out a good move for him.

Garrett won't be on enough to make a huge dent in the finances, nor will Tranmere likely pay all of that wage. He will have been kept off the bench because if he played even a minute for us he couldn't be loaned out (technically he could but he wouldn't be able to play).

Yeh personally I'd definitely rather Garrett than Forshaw.

[Ricky]

There’s also the possibility that no league 1 clubs wanted him on loan. We can only loan him if someone wants to take him. It may have been a case that the club put feelers out but Tranmere were the only ones interested so it was a case of there or nowhere.

alternatively if may have been the players choice. He’s a scouser after all. He may have family who are Tranmere fans. 

[KentExile]

Starts today for

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On the bench

Saadi  - lost 1-0 - Came off the bench for the last 30 mins - Saadi was missing from their squad for the past 2 weeks (maybe injured?)

 

Not involved in matchday squad

Vale  - lost 3-1 - Vale completes a 2 match ban - Motherwell signed 2 strikers on loan on Saturday (Plange from Palace & Dickson from Man City), as well as signing Luke Armstrong last week, Stuart Kettlewell (who seemed to particularly like Vale) quit as manager recently also.  All of which may impact Jack Vales' playing time going forwards

 

 

Edited February 3 by KentExile

[bluebruce]

14 hours ago, Ricky said:

There’s also the possibility that no league 1 clubs wanted him on loan. We can only loan him if someone wants to take him. It may have been a case that the club put feelers out but Tranmere were the only ones interested so it was a case of there or nowhere.

alternatively if may have been the players choice. He’s a scouser after all. He may have family who are Tranmere fans. 

Like I said before, if thay was the case I'd much rather have kept him as a squad player in an area we are weak for cover. Given how low down we are sending him, his career is probably doomed here as I outlined earlier, impressing off the bench or in an injury crisis would probably also be his last chance of impressing enough in time to make it here.

[bluebruce]

7 hours ago, KentExile said:

Starts today for

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On the bench

Saadi  - score/update - Saadi was missing from their squad for the past 2 weeks (maybe injured?)

 

Not involved in matchday squad

Vale  - score/update - Vale completes a 2 match ban - Motherwell signed 2 strikers on loan on Saturday (Plange from Palace & Dickson from Man City), as well as signing Luke Armstrong last week, Stuart Kettlewell (who seemed to particularly like Vale) quit as manager recently also.  All of which may impact Jack Vales' playing time going forwards

 

 

Sounds like Vale will be lucky to get more than a smattering of sub appearances now. Not too fussed about him anyway, he won't make it here and his attitude has been shite when given a chance here.

[philipl]

I have watched a bit of Markanday at both Chesterfield and Orient.

He looks a lot more confident on the ball and has developed a better sense of where to be on the pitch.

The good news is he has started at Orient every bit a class above his team mates and opponents as he was consistently at Chesterfield. I think those writing him off as future Championship material are premature. 

What little I saw of Garrett on loan was relatively disappointing but Batty looks to be good compared with his current League 2 level.

[riverholmes]

5 hours ago, philipl said:

I have watched a bit of Markanday at both Chesterfield and Orient.

He looks a lot more confident on the ball and has developed a better sense of where to be on the pitch.

The good news is he has started at Orient every bit a class above his team mates and opponents as he was consistently at Chesterfield. I think those writing him off as future Championship material are premature. 

What little I saw of Garrett on loan was relatively disappointing but Batty looks to be good compared with his current League 2 level.

My impression is that Markanday was impressive and improving at Chesterfield but he wasn’t a class above. His record is 6 goals, 3 assists in 22 appearances it seems. 

[KentExile]

Starts this evening for

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On the bench

Wood - lost 2-0 - came on for the last 20 minutes with the score at 2-0

 

Not involved in matchday squad

Bell - lost 1-0 - Always seems difficult to find out what happened with these short term loans (unless they are getting minutes).  He originally  got 30mins off the bench, and then started and played the full 90 in the next game, and then hasn't been seen since.  If he had stank the place out, then I  wouldn't have thought he would have lasted a full 90 without being replaced, possibly injured.... who knows?  His loan is due to end on the 15th Feb

Edited Wednesday at 07:04 by KentExile

[KentExile]

Starts this weekend for

Garrett - lost 2-0 - watched a stream of this one, Garrett was playing a box to box role on the left of a midfield 3 in a 5-3-2, he was booked for a late & wild tackle, also come close from a free kick from the edge of the box.  Withdrawn after an hour with the score at 1-0.  Tranmere had the best of the first half, but Salford kicked on after half time.  Garrett made some nice touches and runs, but did not really influence what was for the hour I watched, a poor quality game.  Tranmere conceded the 2nd as I was writing this, straight after he was subbed off.  Tranmere forum members all have in the starting 11 for their next game too

Batty - drew 0-0 

O'Riordan - lost 3-0 

Olson - won 3-1 

Eastham - lost 2-0 

Honor - won 2-0 

Saadi - drew 0-0 

 

On the bench

Markanday - lost 2-1

Wood - won 4-1 - came on for the last 20 mins with the score at 3-0

 

Not involved in matchday squad

Duru - won 3-0 - injured according to Barrow forum, went off injured last week vs Newport

Goddard - drew 0-0 - presumably still injured

Bell - lost 3-1

Mafoumbi - won 3-1 - I do wonder if this is a trial dressed up as a loan, with an eye towards offloading him in the summer

 

No game this weekend

Vale - next game is 15th Feb

Edited Sunday at 15:55 by KentExile

[philipl]

Disappointed Markanday didn't get on for Orient.

Watched (suffered) the Accy Wimbledon goalless draw in which Accy dragged the Dons down to their level. Lots of shots high wide and ugly, can't remember anything on target.

Batty was good tackling and the best passer on the pitch. A bit slow even at this level getting back and seemed to be asked to play as the out ball option at set pieces given the size of several Wimbledon players.

[bluebruce]

Do we have any idea why Markanday was benched and didn't get on, considering it was against top tier opposition? I had thought his loan there was going well.

[KentExile]

17 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Do we have any idea why Markanday was benched and didn't get on, considering it was against top tier opposition? I had thought his loan there was going well.

Apparently he didn't play well vs Stockport  last Sunday before being subbed off after an hour.  But even if that is the case, unless he is ill/carrying an injury, it would seem harsh to drop him, considering he had scored and played well in the 2 games before that.

He was subbed off at half time in the previous game vs Exeter (after a first half performance that included a goal and an assist) so maybe he is carrying something?

That being said, I couldn't fault any of the Orient players performances yesterday,

Edited Sunday at 10:25 by KentExile