Tracking our (outbound) loan players 24/25

[Southside Rover]

Jack Vale injured for an extended period reported by Motherwell

[KentExile]

8 hours ago, Southside Rover said:

Jack Vale injured for an extended period reported by Motherwell

Shame for him

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/motherwell-dealt-new-striker-injury-33719178

 

I do wonder if Michalski has also suffered an injury.  Bamber Bridge loaned in a young keeper from PNE last week who started for them this weekend, with Michalski not even on the bench (having been first choice all season up until that point, including in a win on their last game on Wednesday)

Edited September 22, 2024 by KentExile

[KentExile]

Saadi on the bench

It finished 2-2

Edited September 22, 2024 by KentExile

[NeilInBristol]

On 22/09/2024 at 00:53, Southside Rover said:

Jack Vale injured for an extended period reported by Motherwell

Gutted for him. Think he will have had a good season there otherwise 

[KentExile]

 

[KentExile]

Goddard on the bench again for Dundalk vs Bohemians

 

[KentExile]

Starts today for 

Markanday won 3-0

Gamble lost 2-0 (Harry Chapman lining up against him for Barnet)

Shaw lost 2-1

 

On the bench

Garrett lost 2-1

Wood lost 3-0

Saadi drew 2-2

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by KentExile

[Bronzed A Donis]

Thanks for this,  please keep it up

[bluebruce]

On the whole, it doesn't seem like these loans are going well? Obviously I'm not watching the games, and even @KentExile probably isn't watching many if any, but I'm noticing lately most of them seem to draw or lose most of the time. Not that that's their fault necessarily, but I feel like players normally develop better in successful sides. Very few are playing at an appreciable level, so I'd have hoped they could at least be developing confidence and winning mentalities. Of course there's something to be said for fighting your way out of a bad run too, but still.

Chesterfield fans sounded very happy with Markanday early doors, maybe that's still the case, but 2 goals in 7 games is just ok really, especially considering the level when he's been a Championship squad player. It's less than I'd have hoped for in sheer numbers, so far anyway. At least Chesterfield seem to be having a solid start, in 9th place. Still think it's a shame he has only gone to League Two.

Harder to tell from numbers how Garrett is doing, although being a bench player in the last game for a team currently struggling in 21st place in League One isn't encouraging.

Those are the two players of most imminent relevance, since they're the ones with most first team games under their belt. The others, guess we'll just see how they've developed when they come back and play in the youth sides again, hopefully seeing a boost in form for the u21s and u18s.

 

[KentExile]

9 hours ago, bluebruce said:

On the whole, it doesn't seem like these loans are going well? Obviously I'm not watching the games, and even @KentExile probably isn't watching many if any, but I'm noticing lately most of them seem to draw or lose most of the time. Not that that's their fault necessarily, but I feel like players normally develop better in successful sides. Very few are playing at an appreciable level, so I'd have hoped they could at least be developing confidence and winning mentalities. Of course there's something to be said for fighting your way out of a bad run too, but still.

Chesterfield fans sounded very happy with Markanday early doors, maybe that's still the case, but 2 goals in 7 games is just ok really, especially considering the level when he's been a Championship squad player. It's less than I'd have hoped for in sheer numbers, so far anyway. At least Chesterfield seem to be having a solid start, in 9th place. Still think it's a shame he has only gone to League Two.

Harder to tell from numbers how Garrett is doing, although being a bench player in the last game for a team currently struggling in 21st place in League One isn't encouraging.

Those are the two players of most imminent relevance, since they're the ones with most first team games under their belt. The others, guess we'll just see how they've developed when they come back and play in the youth sides again, hopefully seeing a boost in form for the u21s and u18s.

 

I can indeed confirm that I am not watching full matches, there are not enough minutes in a day & I cannot confirm or deny that I have a Bond villainesc supercomputer with multiple monitors so that I can watch Bamber Bridge vs whoever at the same time as Alvchurch vs someone in the vain hope that a 17 year old midfielder may get the last 10 mins off the bench. 😉 

Personally, I do not mind players being sent to teams that may struggle (especially defenders).  I think it builds character, teaches them fight, and maybe makes them appreciate things more when they get back to Rovers (not saying that anyone is unappreciative for what its worth)

But as a general update

Chesterfield are happy with Markanday, creating and looking dangerous. 

Batty has also had a good loan so far in League 2.  Their game yesterday was postponed due to Wimbledon's flooding issue

Montgomery and Atcheson have also had good reviews in a team expected to struggle in the National League North (6th tier)

Garrett is a strange one, was man of the match with their manager hailing him as the next coming of Gazza a few weeks ago, and then they got beaten by Barnsley and Wigan which were not unexpected results (and even in those games he was apparently one of the better performers), and he has been benched ever since, with Bristol Rovers fans scratching their heads.  Bristol Rovers fans are calling for the manager to be sacked and find his team selections baffling, changing his approach/philosophy with each game.

Fylde have 2 right backs, one more attacking, and Gamble as the more defensive option.  And features more off the bench when they are on the back foot and trying to either hold on or keep the score down.  He apparently did quite well yesterday in a full 90 against top of the table Barnet

O'Riordans reports get worse with each passing week, seems to have a few lapses of concentration.  Not sure if he was injured or completely dropped this weekend, but he didn't feature

Wood seems to have dropped out of favour at Annan in recent weeks,

Goddard was first choice but has dropped to the bench in the past couple of weeks.  Dundalk's results have not improved with his change, they are rooted to the bottom of the table and going down I think

Saadi seems to be getting the last 20 mins or so off the bench each game (very small sample size) but I have no idea how he is getting on

Vale has had his injury and is unlikely to feature again until December

I cannot really comment on how the others (Eastham, Mullarkey-Matthews, Shaw, Michalski etc) are doing/have done beyond the fact they either played, or didn't

 

 

Edited September 29, 2024 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

People have lauded our transfers this summer and whilst it is too early to suggest that all are successes with some yet to feature much or even at all. We had the likes of Markanday and Garrett regularly featuring for us last season so their loans this season put into context how thin we were.

[riverholmes]

On 28/09/2024 at 23:51, bluebruce said:

On the whole, it doesn't seem like these loans are going well? Obviously I'm not watching the games, and even @KentExile probably isn't watching many if any, but I'm noticing lately most of them seem to draw or lose most of the time. Not that that's their fault necessarily, but I feel like players normally develop better in successful sides. Very few are playing at an appreciable level, so I'd have hoped they could at least be developing confidence and winning mentalities. Of course there's something to be said for fighting your way out of a bad run too, but still.

Chesterfield fans sounded very happy with Markanday early doors, maybe that's still the case, but 2 goals in 7 games is just ok really, especially considering the level when he's been a Championship squad player. It's less than I'd have hoped for in sheer numbers, so far anyway. At least Chesterfield seem to be having a solid start, in 9th place. Still think it's a shame he has only gone to League Two.

Harder to tell from numbers how Garrett is doing, although being a bench player in the last game for a team currently struggling in 21st place in League One isn't encouraging.

Those are the two players of most imminent relevance, since they're the ones with most first team games under their belt. The others, guess we'll just see how they've developed when they come back and play in the youth sides again, hopefully seeing a boost in form for the u21s and u18s.

 

Based only on a few highlights of Chesterfield, their forward James Berry-McNally looks a prospect in their side. He's the same age as Markanday and has 5 goals this season. Though, Markanday is new to the team and adapting and if he holds done a starting role, he will hopefully improve.

Overall, I think the standard is not great at Championship level once you go below the first teams. Would Harry Leonard or Jack Vale score goals in L1 or L2? I'm not sure, though, of course, Vale did ok at 'Well and Leonard is still young and has had injury issues, so perhaps, will show his mettle when he comes back.

I noticed Hull City's line-up the other day consisted of almost half non-British names. It does seem like clubs are recruiting from abroad more to try and stay in the same universe as the Premier League. Sheff Wed have some former PSG youth winger in their side. It is reminiscent to me of the SPL of a previous era.

On a different note, Lorenze Mullarkey-Matthews is also out on loan at Bamber Bridge. I do question whether these players should be getting U21s experience before loan moves to non-league but we'll have to see how it pans. It could be that he's just not in the plans as his contract expires next summer, it seems.

Edited September 30, 2024 by riverholmes

[philipl]

The loans are doing what they are supposed to do.

If the loaned out players cannot hack it at the lower levels, clear decisions can be made about their futures.

Vale desperately unfortunate with injury.

Garrett seems to have an eccentric boss.

Markanday looks too good for League 2.

As we move into October those three would seem to be ? but nobody doing a Hayden Carter at Portsmouth level of loan performance.

 

[KentExile]

8 hours ago, riverholmes said:

On a different note, Lorenze Mullarkey-Matthews is also out on loan at Bamber Bridge. I do question whether these players should be getting U21s experience before loan moves to non-league but we'll have to see how it pans. It could be that he's just not in the plans as his contract expires next summer, it seems.

Players loaned out at non league level are free to train with, and feature for Rovers U21 & U18 teams (Atcheson, Boggan and I think also Honor have featured for the U21s/U18s this season whilst being out on loan).  so its a win-win in my book, 

I think the loan moves to lower levels especially benefit those who are physically bigger/stronger than players of their own age group, as the loan move means they cannot rely on being able to physically "bully" their opponents

Edited September 30, 2024 by KentExile

[KentExile]

Starts tonight for 

Batty withdrawn with an injury whilst 1-0 up, they went on to lose 2-1

 

On the bench

Garrett off the bench bench for the last 20 mins, won 3-2

O'Riordan lost 1-0

 

Not in squad

Markanday apparently rested along with numerous others following a 3-0 win at the weekend, drew 2-2

Edited October 1, 2024 by KentExile

[KentExile]

Saadi started last night in a 3-1 win

[Upside Down]

On 29/09/2024 at 20:20, KentExile said:

I can indeed confirm that I am not watching full matches, there are not enough minutes in a day & I cannot confirm or deny that I have a Bond villainesc supercomputer with multiple monitors so that I can watch Bamber Bridge vs whoever at the same time as Alvchurch vs someone in the vain hope that a 17 year old midfielder may get the last 10 mins off the bench. 😉 

Personally, I do not mind players being sent to teams that may struggle (especially defenders).  I think it builds character, teaches them fight, and maybe makes them appreciate things more when they get back to Rovers (not saying that anyone is unappreciative for what its worth)

But as a general update

Chesterfield are happy with Markanday, creating and looking dangerous. 

Batty has also had a good loan so far in League 2.  Their game yesterday was postponed due to Wimbledon's flooding issue

Montgomery and Atcheson have also had good reviews in a team expected to struggle in the National League North (6th tier)

Garrett is a strange one, was man of the match with their manager hailing him as the next coming of Gazza a few weeks ago, and then they got beaten by Barnsley and Wigan which were not unexpected results (and even in those games he was apparently one of the better performers), and he has been benched ever since, with Bristol Rovers fans scratching their heads.  Bristol Rovers fans are calling for the manager to be sacked and find his team selections baffling, changing his approach/philosophy with each game.

Fylde have 2 right backs, one more attacking, and Gamble as the more defensive option.  And features more off the bench when they are on the back foot and trying to either hold on or keep the score down.  He apparently did quite well yesterday in a full 90 against top of the table Barnet

O'Riordans reports get worse with each passing week, seems to have a few lapses of concentration.  Not sure if he was injured or completely dropped this weekend, but he didn't feature

Wood seems to have dropped out of favour at Annan in recent weeks,

Goddard was first choice but has dropped to the bench in the past couple of weeks.  Dundalk's results have not improved with his change, they are rooted to the bottom of the table and going down I think

Saadi seems to be getting the last 20 mins or so off the bench each game (very small sample size) but I have no idea how he is getting on

Vale has had his injury and is unlikely to feature again until December

I cannot really comment on how the others (Eastham, Mullarkey-Matthews, Shaw, Michalski etc) are doing/have done beyond the fact they either played, or didn't

 

 

Piss poor excuse really. Just not good enough.

You call yourself a football fan?

[KentExile]

Dundalk played last night, Goddard was not included in the squad (no idea why not)

Dundalk have put out this statement about finances, so it may be linked in some way

[KentExile]

Starting this afternoon

Markanday scored the equaliser in a 2-2 draw

Gamble won 5-2

Atcheson & Montgomery Montgomery scored the only goal in a 1-0 win.  Atcheson was named man of the match

 

On the bench

O'Riordan lost 1-0

Wood won 1-0

Shaw came off the bench late in a 2-1 win

 

Not involved in squad

Garrett won 3-1

Batty (came off injured in midweek game) won 2-1

Eastham (serving a suspension I think) won 5-2

 

Cypriot teams (Saadi) kick off this evening Saadi on the bench Edit they lost 5-2

Edited October 7, 2024 by KentExile

[KentExile]

Kristi Montgomery has scored his first senior goal to put Marine 1-0 up at half time

 

 

[KentExile]

Markanday goal

Marine highlights (Montgomery goal)

 

Atcheson was man of the match for Marine with 2 goal line clearances

Montgomery finished 2nd in man of the match voting (over 60% of the vote between the 2 of them)

 

Edited October 7, 2024 by KentExile

[bluebruce]

Bristol Rovers are taking the piss with Garrett. By the sounds of it, he's played very well whenever he's played for them, yet he didn't even make the bench in the last match. Their manager said "There's nothing untoward other than just competition for places. Michael Forbes missed out today, Jake Garrett missed out today. But the way to be on the pitch is to play well."

Well according to your fans, and even yourself in the early games mate, he HAS played well, very well. And he doesn't even make the bench? Feck off.

If it were possible to recall him outside of the window, I'd recall him immediately tbh. The Tronstad-Travis pairing isn't going to be able to stay sharp through three games a week patches, we need to be able to keep them fresh, and Garrett is the only other tough tackling midfielder we have. He'd be getting similar game time here, at a higher level, where he can actually be of use to us. We need to be having words with Bristol Rovers. We sent him to get regular game time, and if he doesn't play well and gets dropped that's one thing, but it doesn't sound like that's the case at all. It will be doing a number on his confidence too, when you think you're doing well but aren't getting recognition, I know from experience it makes you doubt if you even know what constitutes performing well anymore, and if you're as good as you think.

[riverholmes]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

Bristol Rovers are taking the piss with Garrett. By the sounds of it, he's played very well whenever he's played for them, yet he didn't even make the bench in the last match. Their manager said "There's nothing untoward other than just competition for places. Michael Forbes missed out today, Jake Garrett missed out today. But the way to be on the pitch is to play well."

Well according to your fans, and even yourself in the early games mate, he HAS played well, very well. And he doesn't even make the bench? Feck off.

If it were possible to recall him outside of the window, I'd recall him immediately tbh. The Tronstad-Travis pairing isn't going to be able to stay sharp through three games a week patches, we need to be able to keep them fresh, and Garrett is the only other tough tackling midfielder we have. He'd be getting similar game time here, at a higher level, where he can actually be of use to us. We need to be having words with Bristol Rovers. We sent him to get regular game time, and if he doesn't play well and gets dropped that's one thing, but it doesn't sound like that's the case at all. It will be doing a number on his confidence too, when you think you're doing well but aren't getting recognition, I know from experience it makes you doubt if you even know what constitutes performing well anymore, and if you're as good as you think.

I've vaguely followed his games and I know he had one excellent game starting in the cup but from what I've seen since, it seems he's been average and been in and out of the team. It could be a good mental challenge for him to try and fight his way back in. It seems Kamil Conteh, a young Sierra Leone international is their go to midfield enforcer, so Garrett needs to find another place in there.

I do wonder if Garrett could do a job at left back. I believe he occasionally played there in his youth/reserve days, as well as CB. If he could, would potentially be useful cover and an alternative. I'm not sure he's found his style as a midfielder.

Edited October 8, 2024 by riverholmes

[KentExile]

Garrett and Batty both start tonight

Both games are live on Sky Sports + from 6:50pm

 

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Bristol Rovers are taking the piss with Garrett. By the sounds of it, he's played very well whenever he's played for them, yet he didn't even make the bench in the last match. Their manager said "There's nothing untoward other than just competition for places. Michael Forbes missed out today, Jake Garrett missed out today. But the way to be on the pitch is to play well."

Well according to your fans, and even yourself in the early games mate, he HAS played well, very well. And he doesn't even make the bench? Feck off.

If it were possible to recall him outside of the window, I'd recall him immediately tbh. The Tronstad-Travis pairing isn't going to be able to stay sharp through three games a week patches, we need to be able to keep them fresh, and Garrett is the only other tough tackling midfielder we have. He'd be getting similar game time here, at a higher level, where he can actually be of use to us. We need to be having words with Bristol Rovers. We sent him to get regular game time, and if he doesn't play well and gets dropped that's one thing, but it doesn't sound like that's the case at all. It will be doing a number on his confidence too, when you think you're doing well but aren't getting recognition, I know from experience it makes you doubt if you even know what constitutes performing well anymore, and if you're as good as you think.

He cant be recalled outside a transfer window, so before January. But he isnt ready to play Championship football, we saw that last season. Even when our main 2 are out, we have better alternatives than Garrett. 

It also seems over the top to say its taking the piss without watching them to decide that he should be playing. We obviously want him to play every game but just like when we sign loanees, there should never be any additional motivation to play him just because it suits the parent club.