Makhtar Gueye

[den]

Gueyes’ abilities or otherwise are really nothing to do with our wingers or anyone else’s weaknesses. 
 

If you’re a good player, you’re a good player no matter who else is in the team.

Edited October 30, 2024 by den

[rigger]

  On 30/10/2024 at 14:08, den said:

Gueyes’ abilities or otherwise are really nothing to do with our wingers or anyone else’s weaknesses. 

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But they contribute to the amount of chances ( or lack of ) created for Gueye.

Edited October 30, 2024 by rigger

[den]

  On 30/10/2024 at 14:11, rigger said:

But they contribute to the amount of chances ( or lack of ) created for Gueye.

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Yes, they do to an extent. 
All the good strikers I’ve ever watched create most of their own chances though. They can burst through the middle with pace, or create chances by movement in the box, they can time a leap for the ball and get power and accuracy into their headers. Some of them aren’t prolific goalscorers but their technique creates chances for others. Sometimes they are just penalty box predators and little else.

I don’t see any of that.

[rigger]

  On 30/10/2024 at 14:29, den said:

Yes, they do to an extent. 
All the good strikers I’ve ever watched create most of their own chances though. They can burst through the middle with pace, or create chances by movement in the box, they can time a leap for the ball and get power and accuracy into their headers. Some of them aren’t prolific goalscorers but their technique creates chances for others. Sometimes they are just penalty box predators and little else.

I don’t see any of that.

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That was not the question. We have a striker that looks to have certain physical attributes, why are we not playing to these attributes ?

[den]

  On 30/10/2024 at 14:38, rigger said:

That was not the question. We have a striker that looks to have certain physical attributes, why are we not playing to these attributes ?

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I haven’t seen any attributes. 

[rigger]

  On 30/10/2024 at 14:42, den said:

I haven’t seen any attributes. 

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 So you haven't seen that Gueye is a six foot plus, physically strong athlete. He is an ideal target for crosses into the box. At this point in time, criticism is concentrating  on what Gueye hasn't got, rather than what he has.

[den]

  On 30/10/2024 at 15:01, rigger said:

 So you haven't seen that Gueye is a six foot plus, physically strong athlete. He is an ideal target for crosses into the box. At this point in time, criticism is concentrating  on what Gueye hasn't got, rather than what he has.

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It’s not true that we haven’t been crossing the ball into the box. Of course we have. He’s not a good header of the ball and never looks like scoring off those crosses.

[its_rovertime]

Being a striker myself for a couple of decades (not professional level, but a fairly decent local standard) I always try to to pay close attention to our forward players and especially our new recruits in that area so far this season. Having watched Big Mak for a few games now I think his hold up play is actually very good if the ball is into his feet or chest, he also doesn't mind a battle in the air. When he takes the ball in and lays it off or plays someone in on goal, he looks very handy. He also looks to make some intelligent runs in behind the defence, but either isn't being seen or played in by his team mates, hoping Cantwell may be able to remedy this with a few more games together.

The problem definitely comes when he tries to over play, against Watford I'm not sure what he saw a couple of times, playing 30-40 yard passes out of play. I think maybe he was trying to do too much after his early successes this season, not sure. Then you have the issue that his finishing looks miles off it at the moment, he seems to lack composure and snatches at his opportunities, dragging and scuffing shots wide or straight at the keeper. Maybe bagging a goal or two will help him settle, but his technique does look suspect, so who knows if that can be rectified! As previous posters have said, he does look like he should be strong in the air but we are yet to see him really dominate and win headers in the opposition box to get efforts on goal. Obviously we can caveat this with the fact that we don't really seem to get many crosses in during open play, but the ball rarely finds him from set pieces either.

Overall, IMO, I think he could turn out to be a useful championship striker, not one that's going to get you 20 goals a season but if he can keep it simple, occupy centre halves and bring others into play, he could yet still be an important cog in the system. I guess we can all just hope that he turns out to be more Rudy than Samir! I'm also not sure what we can really expect for a bag of crisps and some Venky's Express vouchers, until the owners sell up we are forever going to be shopping in the bargain basement hoping to unearth a gem, or praying that the academy produces again...but I digress.

 

[rigger]

  On 30/10/2024 at 15:14, den said:

It’s not true that we haven’t been crossing the ball into the box. Of course we have. He’s not a good header of the ball and never looks like scoring off those crosses.

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From what I have seen, we usually start concentrating on crosses into the box, just after Gueye has been taken off for someone smaller. Or before he comes on.

[den]

  On 30/10/2024 at 16:19, rigger said:

From what I have seen, we usually start concentrating on crosses into the box, just after Gueye has been taken off for someone smaller. Or before he comes on.

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We’ll just have to agree to disagree on him then. No problem.

[Trinidad Rover]

Woeful today. Was lucky to stay on after his first challenge.

Poor, poor signing.

[London blue]

Odds on him not scoring a league goal for rovers?

[Upside Down]

  On 30/10/2024 at 16:06, its_rovertime said:

Being a striker myself for a couple of decades (not professional level, but a fairly decent local standard) I always try to to pay close attention to our forward players and especially our new recruits in that area so far this season. Having watched Big Mak for a few games now I think his hold up play is actually very good if the ball is into his feet or chest, he also doesn't mind a battle in the air. When he takes the ball in and lays it off or plays someone in on goal, he looks very handy. He also looks to make some intelligent runs in behind the defence, but either isn't being seen or played in by his team mates, hoping Cantwell may be able to remedy this with a few more games together.

The problem definitely comes when he tries to over play, against Watford I'm not sure what he saw a couple of times, playing 30-40 yard passes out of play. I think maybe he was trying to do too much after his early successes this season, not sure. Then you have the issue that his finishing looks miles off it at the moment, he seems to lack composure and snatches at his opportunities, dragging and scuffing shots wide or straight at the keeper. Maybe bagging a goal or two will help him settle, but his technique does look suspect, so who knows if that can be rectified! As previous posters have said, he does look like he should be strong in the air but we are yet to see him really dominate and win headers in the opposition box to get efforts on goal. Obviously we can caveat this with the fact that we don't really seem to get many crosses in during open play, but the ball rarely finds him from set pieces either.

Overall, IMO, I think he could turn out to be a useful championship striker, not one that's going to get you 20 goals a season but if he can keep it simple, occupy centre halves and bring others into play, he could yet still be an important cog in the system. I guess we can all just hope that he turns out to be more Rudy than Samir! I'm also not sure what we can really expect for a bag of crisps and some Venky's Express vouchers, until the owners sell up we are forever going to be shopping in the bargain basement hoping to unearth a gem, or praying that the academy produces again...but I digress.

 

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This is what I have thought about him. He does seem to be good at playing knockdown balls to other players, see the Weimann goal against the unwashed.

He's not getting anything to go off though, why he isn't playing with another up top that can feed off him I don't know.

We're suffering from years of being completely gutted by the owners and it's all coming to fruition. Much the same way as successive governments have deliberately defunded the NHS for over 40 years and now it's reaching breaking point, many of us saw this coming from the outset, others swallow the bullshit year after year after year and end up shocked at the current state of affairs and start pointing the finger in every direction except the the actual cause of the problem.

 

[CambridgeRover]

Gallagher was better

[G Somerset Rover]

  On 03/11/2024 at 08:11, CambridgeRover said:

Gallagher was better

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Chris Brown and Fode-Koita were better judging by Gueye’s current performances.

[Mattyblue]

Like with all the Pears back and forth, with this regime the line ‘well we couldn’t possibly find worse’… oh we can, and do, on a regular basis.

Edited November 3, 2024 by Mattyblue

[K-Hod]

  On 03/11/2024 at 08:45, Mattyblue said:

Like with all the Pears back and forth, with this regime the line ‘well we couldn’t possibly do worse’… oh we can, and do, on a regular basis.

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This needs to be pinned.

[rigger]

  On 03/11/2024 at 08:11, CambridgeRover said:

Gallagher was better

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The same Gally that is in Dubai, trying to recover from yet another soft tissue injury ?

[Moptop1]

  On 30/10/2024 at 14:38, rigger said:

That was not the question. We have a striker that looks to have certain physical attributes, why are we not playing to these attributes ?

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If his qualities are heading, we don’t have anyone who can cross the ball. So, we won’t be playing to his strengths.

[rigger]

  On 03/11/2024 at 09:10, Moptop1 said:

If his qualities are heading, we don’t have anyone who can cross the ball. So, we won’t be playing to his strengths.

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So why was he bought ?

[lraC]

  On 03/11/2024 at 09:42, rigger said:

So why was he bought ?

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For the same reason, lots of others have been bought.

Hope he has a purple patch, then flog him to keep the club afloat.

[CambridgeRover]

  On 03/11/2024 at 08:53, rigger said:

The same Gally that is in Dubai, trying to recover from yet another soft tissue injury ?

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Yes that useless lump is better than the useless lump we have now 

A real swing and a miss from the recruitment team

[rigger]

  On 03/11/2024 at 09:47, CambridgeRover said:

Yes that useless lump is better than the useless lump we have now 

A real swing and a miss from the recruitment team

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To me useless is just better than, useless and always injured. I agree with your last statement. I cannot understand the recruitment teams logic. They have taken a punt on Gueye, whilst knowing we don't have the players to supply him correctly. 

[ABBEY]

  On 02/11/2024 at 20:31, London blue said:

Odds on him not scoring a league goal for rovers?

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8/13 

[lraC]

  On 03/11/2024 at 10:17, ABBEY said:

8/13 

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He came very close to a second red yesterday, to add to the one at the Dingle Dome.

More red cards than goals 1/100